David Luiz

[manpe 10,861]

Luiz definitely lost half his value after we let him stay this season. Now, if Mour decides to sell, he is going nowhere like the 40m at the beginning of he season.

This is World Cup year, his market value will be decided in Brazil.

[Martina 210]

David Luiz proves no substitute for John Terry as Chelsea foundations crumble

Independent

“It is difficult not to pin a lot of this on Luiz, and the absence of Terry. For all the Brazilian’s obvious qualities, especially in central midfield, the defence just isn’t tied together quite as well. Chelsea’s greater waywardness reflected the occasional haphazardness that slips into his abrasive game. It was summed up in the 29th minute when he effectively challenged his own goalkeeper in air.

… Rather than keeping focus on his man, however, David Luiz committed the cardinal error of looking to the linesman. In that split-second, the game was settled.

It is, of course, one of the most elementary instructions at every level of football. It was similarly the simple difference here.”

[zolayes 14,489]

question ,,, who would you rather have in front of the back four ,,, Luiz or Mikel

[duo11bluecl 207]

question ,,, who would you rather have in front of the back four ,,, Luiz or Mikel

Neither, sell both and we can have Witsel there. A true CDM.

[bababoom 4,478]

Kompany today was excellent, technically great, pressed our attackers at the right time and knew when to drop deep, he was the only leader out on that pitch today. His passing was spot on as well, he is the player i hoped Luiz would be, somehow i don't think that's going to happen.

Luiz was poor again, he constantly keeps running out trying to press the attackers but almost always fouls them. He's clumsy, lacks focus and concentration (As Stingray said). Kompany has the intelligence to play as a CB, he knows when to press and doesn't just run out like a headless chicken committing fouls left, right and center.

Earlier in the season people were crying out for Luiz to be our defender, their argument was that he will start our the attack of with his amazing passes, i'm sorry but in the last two games we couldn't start anything from the back, In the West Brom game Oscar had to come deeper than usual to collect the ball. It's hugely embarrassing watching our defence pass the ball side to side for five minutes straight.

I'm sorry, Luiz is not Scholes, Xavi and Pirlo mixed in one, he doesn't start our attacks, the last two games has debunked that theory.

People will say 'you cant judge him on two games', i'm not, I've been saying this for months, years even.

Its funny because now this theory has been debunked, they will now say i only slate him because i'm English and we have some sort of an agenda... xenophobia, that is.

In the end, it's only forum, no need to somehow discredit another member's opinion based on their nationality.

[Barbara 15,149]

I think many of us had a lot of expectations because we know him, because of what he plays for Brazil and what he did last season for us, especially the second part. So you sort of expect the player to carry on.

It never happened... so I don't deny he's been poor, I just don't think he is as poor as people make him out to be.

As for the nationality thing @James, I think you got it wrong.

Every football country has a preference for how their players play. It's no secret Luiz isn't the English kind of CB. Even when he was at his best here - which made his market value reach the skies and big teams want him - some English people still criticized some of his antics as a CB simply because that's not how they see the game and the CB function in a football team. At least on my part and behave it has nothing to do with xenophobia, but stating a fact.

Culturally, Brazil for example, sees and approaches the sport almost in an opposite way England does. Does it make our way or your way right or wrong? Not necessarily, although a discussion about what's better may even take place. But it does make us value different things.

What's a consensus though is that he's had a bad season, he's a downgrade to both Terry and Cahill in central defense and we hurt when any of the two are missing and Luiz has to replace either of them. Some matches we hurt more than others, but Luiz hasn't been able to give us the stability Terry or Cahill gave us this season. There are no valid argument against that... although I disagree with some about the extent of how poor he's been. He's been no poorer than the rest of our defenders last season, for example, imo - which means I'm saying Cahill, Ivanovic and Terry have been poor most of last season, sometimes alternating the bad form between them, sometimes at the same time.

[robsblubot 3,529]

Kompany today was excellent, technically great, pressed our attackers at the right time and knew when to drop deep, he was the only leader out on that pitch today. His passing was spot on as well, he is the player i hoped Luiz would be, somehow i don't think that's going to happen.

Luiz was poor again, he constantly keeps running out trying to press the attackers but almost always fouls them. He's clumsy, lacks focus and concentration (As Stingray said). Kompany has the intelligence to play as a CB, he knows when to press and doesn't just run out like a headless chicken committing fouls left, right and center.

Earlier in the season people were crying out for Luiz to be our defender, their argument was that he will start our the attack of with his amazing passes, i'm sorry but in the last two games we couldn't start anything from the back, In the West Brom game Oscar had to come deeper than usual to collect the ball. It's hugely embarrassing watching our defence pass the ball side to side for five minutes straight.

I'm sorry, Luiz is not Scholes, Xavi and Pirlo mixed in one, he doesn't start our attacks, the last two games has debunked that theory.

People will say 'you cant judge him on two games', i'm not, I've been saying this for months, years even.

Its funny because now this theory has been debunked, they will now say i only slate him because i'm English and we have some sort of an agenda... xenophobia, that is.

In the end, it's only forum, no need to somehow discredit another member's opinion based on their nationality.

on the contrary - it seem to be alive and well!

The mere fact that this thread has been so lively on Saturday is evidence enough for me.

If you think DL had anything to do with the fucking spanking we got today, then you are either delusional or disingenuous. He is one player and a defender nonetheless. I take Kompany must have had a terrible game when we beat them before.

BTW, no mistake led to City's win! Nobody handed City anything! 11 players/a team was beaten. City stretched our defense in the first AND second goals. In the second goal, they put a man behind our defense line! There was no man to follow; all their forwarders had to do was run past our defense line to tap in. Most goals are scored in this fashion.

People here have an obsession with defenders as if they are the influential players who win you titles, even though history will tell a completely different story.

whatever... yes, John Terry would have been a lot more solid against City, whatever "solid" means.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

One question: How did Luiz have a worse game yesterday than Hazard or Willian that he's getting all this stick while they're not?

[The Skipper 20,593]

One question: How did Luiz have a worse game yesterday than Hazard or Willian that he's getting all this stick while they're not?

Reading the thread would make you think Luiz had an absolute clanger and was at fault for both goals...

Tbh, It's not even just Luiz, it's the likes of Salah, Rambo, Mikel etc.

Apparently we need to buy a whole new team according to some now. 2 bad results and the place is in melt down.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Reading the thread would make you think Luiz had an absolute clanger and was at fault for both goals...

Tbh, It's not even just Luiz, it's the likes of Salah, Rambo, Mikel etc.

Apparently we need to buy a whole new team according to some now. 2 bad results and the place is in melt down.

And we indignantly object when other fans say that Chelsea fans are the most fickle and spoiled...

[remains of the day 564]

And we indignantly object when other fans say that Chelsea fans are the most fickle and spoiled...

Oh I see.....so, it's not "fickle" and "spoilt" to criticize Lampard continuously and to criticize Ivanovic continuously but it's unacceptable and knee-jerk to criticize Luiz and Mikel....players that you basically like? Right?

The player politics on this forum is really becoming something of a joke.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Oh I see.....so, it's not "fickle" and "spoilt" to criticize Lampard continuously and to criticize Ivanovic continuously but it's unacceptable and knee-jerk to criticize Luiz and Mikel....players that you basically like? Right?

The player politics on this forum is really becoming something of a joke.

No, that's fickle as well.

And just for the record, I like Iva and Lampard much more than I like Luiz and Mikel.

[didierforever 7,349]

Fickle-changing frequently, especially as regards one's loyalties or affections.

As TOPTB very well showed a few days ago, chelsea fans have actually been quite consistent with luiz. Barely what u would say fickle, would u?

The problem is people just can't accept that their favourite player is not as good as they make hin out to be. And then come the scapegoat argumwnt. Yes hazard and willing did have a poor match but so did luiz abd while hazard and willian have been close to brilliant for about 95% of the season, luiz has been poor/below average for the majirity of it. So people are more worried about luiz than hazard and willian and damn rightly so. Plus by not targeting hazard and willian for obe poor performance, the fans actually show the trait of UNFICKLENESS. So I simpky don't understand this fickle talk. Probably just another phase of "lui the scapegoat" conspiracy.

[OneMoSalah 8,784]

Lets put it this way David Luiz is an inconsistent player, he can be good one game and terrible the next. There is no average performances its one or the other.

Mourinho has identified his faults hence why hes struggled to be a regular for us this season and its looking like the Juan Mata scenario all over again. Luiz is a lovable player, passionate, always smiling and all but Mourinho will sell him if he wants to.

Mourinho's striving for as close to a perfect team as it can be, he sees Terry and Cahill as his best CBs right now (based on how often they've started together especially in the bigger games). I think Luiz will be sold and replaced in the same way Mata was I think. Mourinho runs the transfers, not Abramovich or Emenalo as much now, hence why he was allowed to sign 32 year old Samuel Eto'o, sell Mata and replace him with a much more 'Mourinho profiled player' in Salah. Zouma will probably come in to replace Luiz next season I feel either that or we will get another CB, especially if he can offload Luiz to Barca/Bayern for a fair whad of money. I mean it speaks volumes when your 'world class CB' is playing in CM while Gary Cahill is playing ahead of him in his natural position.

[Blue Armour 4,312]

I don't see what's the point in questioning why people did/didn't blame this/that player.

Fact is Luiz had a stinker yesterday, and as a big fan of his, I'm disappointed at how this club season has panned out for him so far.

[JDY 1,290]

Still not sure about the supposed terrible game he had. Apart from the moment of madness when he got booked leading to the City chance, I thought he was average like the whole team.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Still not sure about the supposed terrible game he had. Apart from the moment of madness when he got booked leading to the City chance, I thought he was average like the whole team.

Exactly. He had an average game like almost everyone else. He made a couple of mistakes, but he also made three crucial interceptions.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

Reading the thread would make you think Luiz had an absolute clanger and was at fault for both goals...

Tbh, It's not even just Luiz, it's the likes of Salah, Rambo, Mikel etc.

Apparently we need to buy a whole new team according to some now. 2 bad results and the place is in melt down.

I'd say Luiz (in the backline), Mikel and Torres have been an issue all season, the last two matches are highlighting this well. Ramires is slipping a bit but he's is still the right type of player to fill the role, a rare type of player. I think thats why we need Guarin to give Ramires some competition, with Mikel making 19 appearances I'm sure Guarin could be squeezed in. Ramires had only been disappointing recently apart from his finishing being sloppy consistently. You can choose another player if you wish to sing for the CDM role but Guarin is the same rare type of player Ramires is, Guarin would also make Luiz expendable as his spot in defensive line is becoming a liability. Whatever Luiz gave us in the midfield Guarin could give us that at least. As so for Salah it will be hard to judge he is young and the minutes he featured in were not the best moments this season for the team.