Roman Abramovich Thread

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let's hope that if Todd Boehly wins the bidding he never has another member do this in a meeting  🤣

 

Todd: Bring what up? 

Mom (overhearing): Excuse me? . . .

[Awkward silence]

Mom (agitated): Do the research, Todd!

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Great to have the ethically most suspect bid withdrawn. If it was not bc of the fan pressure it is even better cos this probably means it also would have been a bad deal for the club economically.

Boehly is probably not 100% clean as well but he donated a lot more to the Democrats than Republicans so far if that is any helpful.

Hansjörg Wyss is a big lefty so I am happy there

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15 hours ago, Vesper said:

Hansjörg Wyss is a big lefty so I am happy there

I just saw a video where Todd is neither he wants to push for the middle. He said it's a big problem in the USA where you got the extreme right and extreme left and they no longer work with each other. 

And he is true both extreme are wrong because you will never accomplish anything. Otherwise it's going to be fighting and drama all the time as we have now. 

 

Here in this video 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Fernando

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14 hours ago, Hermione said:

We all thought the Ricketts are bad, just turned out they are even bigger scums, dodged a massive bullet.

We did, they were going to take all the equity that Roman built.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Fernando said:

I just saw a video where Todd is neither he wants to push for the middle. He said it's a big problem in the USA where you got the extreme right and extreme left and they no longer work with each other. 

And he is true both extreme are wrong because you will never accomplish anything. Otherwise it's going to be fighting and drama all the time as we have now. 

 

Here in this video 

 

 

there is no extreme left in the US with any remote sort of political power

you are labelled a radical flame breathing communist there if you push for things most every other advanced nation has had for decades

the political philosophical centre is slid so far to the right there that the average bog standard centrist Democrat (who is still labelled a fire breathing commie by the Republicans) would be a solid mainstream right type in most European parliaments

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5 hours ago, Vesper said:

there is no extreme left in the US with any remote sort of political power

you are labelled a radical flame breathing communist there if you push for things most every other advanced nation has had for decades

the political philosophical centre is slid so far to the right there that the average bog standard centrist Democrat (who is still labelled a fire breathing commie by the Republicans) would be a solid mainstream right type in most European parliaments

There are far left extremists that are violent here. There is a big difference between the far right who take some weird pride in their violence and wear their prison time as a badge of honor. When left extremist are arrested and their names are published after being sentenced they often get really pissed off that they have been outed and it will ruin their ability to get meaniful employment. Both sides are strange as fuck that they feel persecuted after destroying shit, harassing people, and injuring people. Both sides think they are justified in their transgressions. We have a political and justice system to solve these issues, nobody needs to harassed, injured, and rarely killed so they feel their political voice is being heard. Luckily both the radical left and radical right are pretty low number groups. Most of us are far more likely to be injured in a traffic accident than to come in contact with these nutters.

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5 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

There are far left extremists that are violent here. There is a big difference between the far right who take some weird pride in their violence and wear their prison time as a badge of honor. When left extremist are arrested and their names are published after being sentenced they often get really pissed off that they have been outed and it will ruin their ability to get meaniful employment. Both sides are strange as fuck that they feel persecuted after destroying shit, harassing people, and injuring people. Both sides think they are justified in their transgressions. We have a political and justice system to solve these issues, nobody needs to harassed, injured, and rarely killed so they feel their political voice is being heard. Luckily both the radical left and radical right are pretty low number groups. Most of us are far more likely to be injured in a traffic accident than to come in contact with these nutters.

the 'radical left' is, on balance, a right wing fantasy and bogeymen in the US

its the stuff of Fox and Newsmax, and OANN fever dreams designed to keep the white wing/right wing rubes, hicks, marks, and dupes all wound up and ready for nose-ring leading about

oh noes! those far left commies are letting trannie furries take a shit in litter boxes in muh little Tommy and Mary's school!

 

gmafb

it (no radical left) is especially true if we are (as I was) talking about elected office

now, as for private citizens

sure there are a few ragtag localised groups that go out at times looking for a ruck with the local (or imported) nazis,

but they PALE in comparison to ever-rising numbers of white nationalist and christofascists, who can be organised (both openly or in sleeper cells), unorganised except via social media, and then the lone wolf sleepers

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10 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

There are far left extremists that are violent here.

As I type this I can't remember any examples though I'm sure you could remind me of some. I'm also sure you could remind me of many, many more wing nuts of the right in the US. What's worse is that what gets classified as the extreme right is a much smaller space in the US than it is in Europe. Much of the opinion that would be reviled in Europe gets elected to Congress in America. You have to be way beyond the pale to be labelled 'extreme right' yet rightist extremists still outnumber those of the left many multiple times. Fascists and theocrats abound.

America is steering itself toward its own downfall. The most popular broadcaster on the right defends Putin and has his lawyers defend him against defamation charges by stating that only idiots would believe anything he says so he can't be defaming anyone because everyone knows he's full of crap. This is what his own lawyers say in court yet the idiots still DO believe him. Currently an uneducated, ignorant, moron like Hershel Walker leads the polls in Georgia and seems to be heading for the Capitol. I really don't know what America is going to do to save itself from itself.

Edited April 17, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

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3 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

As I type this I can't remember any examples though I'm sure you could remind me of some. I'm also sure you could remind me of many, many more wing nuts of the right in the US. What's worse is that what gets classified as the extreme right is a much smaller space in the US than it is in Europe. Much of the opinion that would be reviled in Europe gets elected to Congress in America. You have to be way beyond the pale to be labelled 'extreme right' yet rightist extremists still outnumber those of the left many multiple times. Fascists and theocrats abound.

America is steering itself toward its own downfall. The most popular broadcaster on the right defends Putin and has his lawyers defend him against defamation charges by stating that only idiots would believe anything he says so he can't be defaming anyone because everyone knows he's full of crap. This is what his own lawyers say in court yet the idiots still DO believe him. Currently an uneducated, ignorant, moron like Hershel Walker leads the polls in Georgia and seems to be heading for the Capitol. I really don't know what America is going to do to save itself from itself.

Walker just isn't a moron, he has decades of ultra violent mental illness (Russian roulette, rape, threatening multiple people with weapons, admitting he drove around deciding if he was going to shoot multiple people or not, etc), plus has lied (and still is) dozens, hundreds maybe, of times about his business career, grades, wealth, ownership of forms that do not even exist, etc.

He is a younger, even less intelligent, ultra athletic black Trump with a Heisman

Yet he is leading in the polls versus a truly gifted orator, a vastly more intelligent and moral human being in Warnock.

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How a view loved by Henry VIII could thwart new Chelsea owners’ plans to redevelop Stamford Bridge

https://theathletic.com/3240195/2022/04/16/how-a-view-loved-by-henry-viii-could-thwart-new-Chelsea-owners-plans-to-redevelop-stamford-bridge/

The first thing that strikes you is the panorama gaping wide and westward, out over Richmond Park and the Thames to Ham House, Eel Pie Island, Pope’s Grotto, Kneller Hall and, faintly crowning the horizon, Windsor Castle. That the telescope set in the middle of the clearing points east seems incongruous. The view that way must surely be obscured by the holly trees which enclose the summit of King Henry’s Mound and, beyond, by Sidmouth Wood, as dense a copse as any in this corner of the royal park.

The arbour set in that section of the foliage, similarly, feels like an oddity, but all the compass-style arrows carved into the floor of the viewpoint demand you point the glass in that direction. So you comply and, once the eye has adjusted, the cutting does leap out at you. A thin avenue has been pruned from the branches of the thicket, extending from The Way gates across Queen’s Road.

And there, nestled in a keyhole of light with its dome resplendent in the sunshine, lies St Paul’s Cathedral.

The landmark stands on Ludgate Hill a distant 10 miles away, slap bang in the heart of the bustling City, a world apart from the birdsong and tranquillity of the gardens. But, from here, the view out to Sir Christopher Wren’s masterpiece is uninterrupted. Improbably clear. Beautifully precise. Immaculately framed.

It takes a while to tear the gaze from the familiar drum colonnade and rotunda, a vision of shimmering white. There is the inevitable muttered curse that the backdrop has been infiltrated by the hulk of a high-rise, recently constructed in Stratford even further to the east having exploited a loophole, since closed, in governmental planning permissions. But, for this observer, it is the foreground that is of particular interest.

There, visible just above the tree line, is the triangular truss jutting out from the roof of the west stand of Stamford Bridge. At 49.19 metres, the angle of the pylon marks the highest point of the current stadium and does not impede, in any way, the view across to St Paul’s.

 

From King Henry’s Mound in Richmond Park, the view 10 miles to St Paul’s cathedral is uninterrupted

Yet, in their sales pitches to Raine Group in New York, each of Chelsea’s prospective new owners has pledged to redevelop the stadium. They have been enticed by the prospect of increasing annual match-day revenues from £70 million to closer to £200 million by finding another 20,000 seats on a desperately tight site. It has also been made clear that they must demonstrate a will to succeed in one of the few areas where Roman Abramovich came up short, by enlarging and modernising the club’s home of 117 years. Instigating that revamp will constitute a demonstration of long-term ambition.

Chelsea’s home ground is hemmed in by a railway line and a cemetery, the Fulham Road and private residences. Instinct might suggest the obvious architectural solution would be to “build up”, but that would not be simple given the restrictions on the plot, not least rights to their neighbours. Besides, in what some might consider a quirk of local law and others cherish as a key safeguard to preserve something utterly unique, development is also limited by that sightline from that knoll in Richmond Park a little over five miles away.

This is the story of why the glorious view from a Bronze Age barrow, a small mound bearing a name that is shrouded in romantic myth, is so cherished and will effectively thwart any of Chelsea’s suitors from looking to the heavens when they seek to increase the capacity of Stamford Bridge.

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First, a history lesson. Actually, let’s begin with what is probably the stuff of legend.

It was the English historical writer and poet Agnes Strickland, in her 12-volume tome Lives of the Queens of England, scripted between 1840 and 1848, who expressed in print an account handed down orally from father to son by the various parkkeepers in Richmond, south-west London, over the previous three centuries.

Strickland’s wonderfully vivid inside story, complete with first-hand quotes apparently direct from the scene, went that, on the morning of May 19, 1536, Henry VIII “clad for the chase with his huntsmen and hounds around him, was standing breathless on a mound in Richmond Park, awaiting the signal gun from the Tower (of London) which was to announce that the sword had fallen on the neck of his once entirely loved Anne Boleyn”.

Anne had given birth to the future Queen Elizabeth I but, having failed to provide the King with a male heir and with Henry now seeking to marry Lady Jane Seymour, had been arrested and sent to the Tower. The trumped-up charges against her included adultery, incest and plotting to kill the king. She was convicted of high treason on 15 May. The executioner’s sword fell four days later.

 

Henry VIII – as many wives as Chelsea have league titles (Image: Getty)

“At last, when the bright sun rose high towards the meridian, the sullen sound of the death gun boomed along the winding of the Thames,” continued Strickland. “Henry started with ferocious joy. ‘Ha! Ha!’, he cried with satisfaction. ‘The deed is done! Uncouple the hounds and away!’.”

Seymour was apparently waiting in the Richmond house of Sir George and Lady Carew for news of her predecessor’s grim fate to free the king to marry her, which he duly did eight days later. The mound from which Henry descended in such delight has borne his name ever since.

It is a wonderfully sinister and evocative Tudor tale. The rumble of the canon has been replaced by a black flag, which must have been quite some size given it is 11 miles to the Tower, and even a firework in some accounts. The only slight problem is that it is probably apocryphal. Rather, there is strong historical evidence that the king spent the evening of his wife’s execution at a knees-up at Wolfe Hall in Wiltshire, some 60 miles from Richmond — a day’s ride at best by horse.

But why let an inconvenient truth interfere with a fine story?

Now for reality. The steep-sided mound, situated on the highest part of Richmond Hill among the north-western reaches of the largest of the royal parks, is thought to be a barrow dating from between 2400 and 1500 BC, a rarity in Greater London today. The naturalist Edward Jesse, writing in 1835, described how “it has been opened and a considerable deposit of ashes found in the centre of it”, although the remains were not necessarily of human origin.

The Royal Commission on the Historical Monuments of England carried out more recent archaeological survey work on the site in 1995 and suggested there was evidence of prehistoric origin. There is another probable burial mound, dating further back to the early and middle Neolithic periods, some 600 metres to the east on lower ground, an area once known as Oliver’s Mound, that was destroyed by gravel digging in 1834.

It has been suggested by archaeologists that the vantage point, at 57.4 metres above ordnance datum, could once have been a castle mound, albeit, at around 36 metres in diameter across its flattened top, it is rather small for a motte. It certainly had other uses in the centuries which followed. The area has a long tradition of hunting, dating back to the 14th century, when it formed part of the Manor of Sheen. A royal palace was built nearby and became popular with Henry VII, who named the estate “Richmond” after his earldom in Yorkshire, with both Henry VIII and Elizabeth I known to have hunted there.

The new park was only enclosed during the reign of Charles I (1625-49) and, on Elias Allen’s map drawn in 1637, the mound is marked as the “Kings Standinge”. It was effectively a convenient perch from which a monarch partaking in a spot of deer hunting could enjoy clear views over the surrounding land, with game driven up the hill into his path to be shot.

Evidence of the celebration of the view east, with its implications for modern-day planning permissions, emerges in maps and illustrations from the early 18th century.

St Paul’s Cathedral, gutted in the Great Fire of 1666, was rebuilt to a modern design schemed by Sir Christopher Wren and declared officially complete by parliament on Christmas Day, 1711. At a height of 111.6 metres, it dominated the London skyline and was clearly surveyed from the distant hill that was, for a while, referred to as King Henry VII’s Mount and, later, Henry VIII’s Mount. Some confusion existed as to which Henry had claimed the standing as his own.

 

The view from King Henry’s Mound – with St Paul’s in the distance – as seen in 1952 (Photo: Getty)

An engraving of nearby Petersham Lodge by Kip from 1710 — the summit is topped by four trees — and John Rocque’s map of London, 1741-5, both show an avenue leading north east on the vista line to St Paul’s, the latter in the direction of Oliver’s Mound. That view might have been threatened in the early 19th century when Sidmouth Wood was laid out. Yet a landscaped “ride”, or gap, “was cut through it, which opens a fine view of London and St Paul’s” according to Jesse.

The mound, having already been transformed from barrow to hunting vantage point, was now a garden feature within the grounds of Pembroke Lodge. “This is very much a manufactured view,” says Max Lankester, a former secretary of the Friends of Richmond Park and now a vice-president of the charity. “That keyhole has been cut through the shrubbery around the perimeter of the mound. The avenue through Sidmouth Wood has been specifically enabled and created to highlight this vista.”

For more than 100 years, that unlikely corridor to St Paul’s was maintained and enjoyed, either from the summerhouse up on the mound or the landscaped route up to its brow. And then, probably during the Second World War with so many of the grounds’ gardeners having been called up to fight, it was forgotten.

The holly choked the arbour up on the mound. The avenue across the parkland became overgrown. The ride through Sidmouth Wood was thickened by overhanging branches. The thoroughfare was cluttered with rhododendrons and neglected.

By the time Chelsea set about rebuilding the East Stand as a three-tiered cantilever to 37.82 metres at Stamford Bridge in the mid-1970s, a move that would near bankrupt the club, there was no vista to threaten.

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The viewing corridor passes through Sidmouth Wood, over lower ground within Richmond Park and across the wall close to Adam’s Pond. It skims the top of Stamford Bridge and clears Sloane Square, Belgravia, the Wellington Barracks, part of St James’ Park, Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence building on Whitehall beyond, then cuts over Hungerford and Waterloo bridges to St Paul’s.

At its full extension, it affects 11 London boroughs, from Richmond-upon-Thames at source to Newham, lost in the cathedral’s backdrop. In such a sprawl of a city, it is vaguely remarkable that it has remained unobscured given legally protected status was only achieved relatively recently.

It took a local resident called James Batten, studying Rocque’s 18th-century map in early 1976, to piece together that the lost avenue marked veering north east must once have had a purpose. In his student days, Batten had peered through the keyhole in Piranesi’s doorway into the Gardens of the Knights of Malta on Rome’s Aventine Hill and spied the framed silhouette of St Peter’s three miles away across the Tiber. Here, buried beneath the foliage and stretching out much further to 10 miles, was London’s equivalent.

He worked with the superintendent of the park at the time, Mike Fitt, to hack through the shrubbery and uncover the trellis on the summit of the hillock. The trees in Sidmouth Wood were cut back to open up the corridor and restore the sightline to the City.

The vista’s existence, presented to Greater London Council, played a part in thwarting British Rail’s plans to redevelop Liverpool Street station, which would have blighted the backdrop to the drum and dome of the cathedral when considered from King Henry’s Mound. A period of intense campaigning ensued, aimed at having the linear view safeguarded in law.

For context, the capital’s various boroughs were already crisscrossed with similar corridors — albeit none quite as long — aimed at guarding iconic views. Those gazing directly at St Paul’s include the views extending from Primrose Hill and Alexandra Palace, from Greenwich Park and the centre of the bridge over the Serpentine, or from Parliament Hill and the gazebo at Kenwood House.

“There is an architectural significance to St Paul’s, clearly, but the existence of these corridors extends beyond that to the building’s meaning for London and, indeed, the nation,” says Mike Dunn of Historic England, formerly English Heritage, the UK’s statutory adviser on heritage since its foundation in 1983. “It is a symbol. What it represents is important. These corridors are designed to ensure it can be seen from various vantage points across the capital, and that nothing should encroach on the silhouette of the dome.”

As far back as 1938, the Dean and Chapter of St Paul’s Cathedral, together with the Corporation of London, had struck a gentleman’s agreement with developers that restrictions to building elevations would be applied to maintain those sight-lines of the dome. There had been concern that the relaxation of height restrictions — new buildings had been limited to four storeys since 1667, a year after the Great Fire, but extended in 1930 to 30.48 metres, the maximum length of the London Fire Brigade’s ladders at the time — might threaten views of the cathedral.

That agreement, known as St Paul’s Heights, only became legal statute in building guidance plans from the 1980s onwards to reflect that, although no longer the tallest building in London, St Paul’s Cathedral’s symbolic status should still dictate the height, location and even design of other buildings through the City and central London.

But it was only in 1991 that Regional Planning Guidance for London and the Secretary of State for the Environment listed “the strategic view of St Paul’s from King Henry’s Mound in Richmond Park and its viewing corridor” among 34 strategic views of London and one of 10 benefiting from protected status as they were directed upon St Paul’s, the Tower or the Palace of Westminster. The scope of development to the fore of the cathedral, as well as to either side and immediately behind, was duly limited.

“That it is visible from 10 miles away, a focal point even from Richmond dominating the townscape with nothing encroaching on the silhouette of the dome, even from that distance, is remarkable,” adds Dunn. “The mound has been a special place for thousands of years. The specific view out across London has been cherished for at least 300 years. That is why that particular corridor merits the protection that is still placed on it today.”

Successive mayors have tweaked the modern-day London Plan, which pinpoints the viewing corridors to be protected by the Greater London Authority (GLA). The number of strategic views incorporated into the London View Management Framework (LVMF), the GLA’s guidance document on protected vistas, was reduced by the then-mayor, Ken Livingstone, from 34 to 26 in 2007 with the viewing corridors also narrowed. The width of the protected view from Richmond Park was effectively halved, allowing developers to secure planning permission to build around Victoria station.

The resultant construction would not have been permitted under previous restrictions. It is now very visible in the bottom right of the keyhole view from King Henry’s Mound.

Boris Johnson, elected mayor in May 2008 and in office at City Hall for eight years, flip-flopped the other way and restored the width of the channels while increasing their number to 27, 13 of which to be deemed protected.

“For centuries, London has been home to some of the world’s greatest buildings and urban spaces,” wrote the mayor in the foreword to his revised LVMF guidance. “We are privileged to enjoy this architectural history as we go about our daily lives. When we cross one of London’s bridges, walk along the South Bank, or visit one of the viewpoints above the city, such as Parliament Hill, Primrose Hill or Greenwich, we are reminded of London’s history and beauty, and why we love living here.”

Not that the LVMF has entirely safeguarded the vistas it aims to protect. The guidelines extended by Johnson stated that any development in the background of St Paul’s should be “subordinate to the cathedral and that the clear sky background profile of the upper part of the dome remains”. Even so, that was not enough to prevent the construction of the 42-storey Manhattan Loft Gardens skyscraper in Newham, an outlying borough that had been considered too far away to warrant being listed in the original LVMF plan.

Maps of the protected view indicated the background area to be preserved beyond St Paul’s was only 1.86 miles. The tower was 4.35 miles beyond. The development received planning permission in 2011 after the application was referred to the GLA by the Olympic Delivery Authority. By the time the block was springing up next to Stratford station to dwarf the cathedral when viewed from Richmond Park 15 miles away to the west, the legal window to challenge the permission had gone.

The current mayor, Sadiq Khan, did extend the background areas of the 13 protected vistas in November 2018 to the edge of Greater London, closing that loophole. But, by then, the Manhattan Loft development was up. Peer through the telescope on King Henry’s Mound now and it hangs ominously on the shoulder of St Paul’s.

The silhouette of the dome is not quite as pristine as it once was.

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That is a reminder that the aspect, viewed through such a small channel from so far away, is fragile. “When a view like this has gone, cut out by high-rise buildings or developments, it has basically gone forever,” says Lankester. “Once you’ve lost it, you’ll never get it back.”

The mayor and Historic England have to be consulted whenever new buildings are proposed that affect any of London’s designated corridors. Stamford Bridge would presumably fall into that category.

The lavish scheme drawn up by the Swiss architectural firm Herzog and De Meuron to redevelop the ground, granted planning by Hammersmith and Fulham Council in early 2017 and City Hall two months later, had considered various options and ultimately determined to lower the pitch. The stadium would only have risen to 46.12 metres, less than the current arena’s tallest point, but it was generally accepted that digging down would add significantly to the cost of the project.

All three of the consortia now waiting on Raine Group’s call will be aware of the intricacies of those plans, which were put on ice back in 2018. They will be familiar with the particular quirks of the site they would inherit. Those leading the Ricketts bid, who withdrew their interest on Friday, had indicated Eric Nordness, who had led the family’s $1 billion redevelopment of Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, would have overseen work on Stamford Bridge. He told The Athletic earlier this month that he had already been working on “multiple ideas” with the architecture firm, Populous.

 

Stamford Bridge’s capacity of 41,837 is well below many of Chelsea’s rivals (Photo: Getty)

The three remaining bidders have not been quite so open with their plans, but they will have commenced their own enquiries as to what can be achieved on such an awkward plot.

Some might have raised an eyebrow at the reality that those restrictions hampering a rebuild include the view from a hill in leafy Richmond, a world away from the hustle and bustle of the Fulham Road. “But Richmond Park and St Paul’s Cathedral are national landmarks — they are iconic,” adds Lankester. “The park is a National Nature Reserve, one of its many environmental tags. At the last count, undertaken a few years ago pre-COVID 19, it was attracting more than five million people each year on top of those driving through the park. It’s a national attribute.

“Not all of those visitors will make the walk up to King Henry’s Mound to take in the view, but plenty do. And you invariably hear those that do exclaim in surprise that, from a vantage point which feels more enveloped in open countryside, full of plantations and open grassland, they find themselves looking across to the heart of the City of London. That contrast adds to the mystique of the view.

“It just feels so improbable. It will always be precious.”

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This might sound incredibly basic because I've never done anywhere near enough research on the topic and I know there are other issues with regards to light access for nearby residents, and access in and out of the stadium but if it's only the East Stand which poses the above problem in the eyeline of St Pauls Cathedral, would it not be possible to try to extend the other stands and just leave the East Stand as it is? To be honest even if someone can get the Bridge capacity up over 50k it puts us at least in the bracket alongside other club's capacities.

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3 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

This might sound incredibly basic because I've never done anywhere near enough research on the topic and I know there are other issues with regards to light access for nearby residents, and access in and out of the stadium but if it's only the East Stand which poses the above problem in the eyeline of St Pauls Cathedral, would it not be possible to try to extend the other stands and just leave the East Stand as it is? To be honest even if someone can get the Bridge capacity up over 50k it puts us at least in the bracket alongside other club's capacities.

this plan did not block the view

as they built down

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7 hours ago, Vesper said:

this plan did not block the view

as they built down

That plan would also cost a ridiculous amount and leave us probably away from Stamford Bridge for at least 5 - 6 seasons. It's not like Spurs where they were able to lay groundwork and build half their stadium before they moved to Wembley temporarily. Absolutely nobody wants to be stuck playing at Wembley for that amount of time.

I don't see moving away for an extended period as a viable option unless it is the absolute last option available.

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Ornstein: Chelsea bidders consider Paul Mitchell

https://theathletic.com/3253363/2022/04/18/ornstein-Chelsea-bidders-consider-paul-mitchell-the-arsenal-way-cultural-review-burnley-want-interim-manager/

After six weeks of frenetic activity since Roman Abramovich put Chelsea up for sale, the bidding process to replace him culminated on Thursday. Next, the preferred candidate will be selected.

Abramovich’s reign at Stamford Bridge is nearing its end and reports suggest that a takeover will be finalised in May, pending approval from the UK government and the Premier League.

The interested parties were condensed into a final four and then, following the deadline for offers, the Ricketts family, who run the Chicago Cubs baseball team, opted to withdraw their proposal.

That leaves a battle between groups led by Todd Boehly, Stephen Pagliuca — co-owners of the LA Dodgers and Boston Celtics respectively — and British businessman Sir Martin Broughton.

Each of them will be formulating detailed plans and ideas for Chelsea on and off the pitch, with a key area under consideration believed to be who takes responsibility for driving the football operation.

This column reported last Monday that the prospective buyers had all expressed a wish to retain long-serving director Marina Granovskaia should they win and that will be among many key calls.

Another role said to be high on the agenda is that of technical director, a post that has not been occupied on a permanent basis since Michael Emenalo left Chelsea in late 2017.

If the vacancy needs to be filled, several names are sure to enter the picture and The Athletic has established that a name figuring prominently in preliminary conversations is Paul Mitchell.

Two of the original quartet competing for Chelsea are believed to be closely monitoring Mitchell’s situation and could contact the Englishman if they take control.

The former Wigan Athletic and MK Dons player is currently sporting director at AS Monaco — he actually succeeded Emenalo — having earlier held senior positions at MK Dons, Southampton, Tottenham Hotspur and RB Leipzig before joining the Ligue 1 side in June 2020.

Recent speculation indicated Mitchell was set to depart after a change in the political climate around the club, yet that is known not to be the intention of Monaco president Dmitry Rybolovlev.

Claims of his exit surfaced on March 20 when Monaco stunned Paris Saint-Germain to begin a run of four consecutive wins. They are now sixth in the table and only three points behind potential Champions League qualification, with one of the youngest line-ups in the French top tier.

Mitchell has two years left on his deal and it is understood Rybolovlev invited him to a meeting on April 3, when Monaco beat Metz in the only match Mitchell has not attended since moving from Leipzig, to insist the Mancunian is critical to a project that will continue without any such changes.

In his time at the Stade Louis II, Mitchell has been central to a rebuilding effort that has benefited from a fraction of the budget that preceded his arrival. Monaco sources credit him for transforming the age, profile and performance metrics of their squad, integrating far more academy graduates, markedly improving the injury record and revamping a culture that some feel had become “sinister”.

He has also overseen progress at Cercle Brugge, the Belgian team also owned by Russian oligarch Rybolovlev, and their best league finish for a decade was achieved in the 2021-22 season.

Mitchell was an option deliberated by Newcastle before choosing to stay at Monaco — they took Dan Ashworth from Brighton instead — and he has been repeatedly linked to Manchester United.

United’s interim manager Ralf Rangnick knows Mitchell well from their period together with Red Bull and has endorsed him to the Old Trafford hierarchy if they seek to enhance their existing structure.

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Definitely a move that needs to be made, there needs to be a much more joined up approach at the club and if we start to move away from the profile of player we usually look at and instead are maybe looking at players still to be moulded and developed but with a lot of potential I think we have the right manager in place to develop such players. The obvious example of that would have been grabbing Tchouameni last summer when he was a much rawer prospect but in a much cheaper deal. This season he has gone a way to fulfilling the potential he has and has developed further but he'll cost an awful lot more. We may need to start identifying some players at an earlier stage moving forward if transfer budgets won't be potentially as high or flexible as they may have been previously.

If we were to bring in a technical director though they have to work with Tuchel and not against him. For all the benefits that some of these people can bring there can also be power struggles, blaming for bad signings, etc when things go wrong. I'm not expecting Tuchel to get carte blanche but he needs to be an important voice within any transfer committee and the signings need to suit around his style and philosophy. We may never know the true in's and out's of Lukaku's transfer but the key take is that he is such an ill fit for a Tuchel team and we can't afford to make mistakes like that.

Tuchel does need some freedom as to who he wants to keep or sell from the current squad. Some of that may be working alongside the board as may be dependent on alternatives (for example say selling Jorginho, to bring in a new centre midfielder like Tchouameni), but he needs to be backed with who he does and doesn't want in his squad makeup for next season. If he wants to keep Timo, then keep him. I get the impression he thinks highly of RLC and feels he can unlock something inside of him. If he wants him as an option within the squad then back him and keep him. If he wants Lukaku out, then cut out losses and sell him for as much as we can.

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

Ornstein: Chelsea-Bieter ziehen Paul Mitchell in Betracht

https://theathletic.com/3253363/2022/04/18/ornstein-Chelsea-bidders-consider-paul-mitchell-the-arsenal-way-cultural-review-burnley-want-interim-manager/

Nach sechs Wochen fieberhafter Aktivität, seit Roman Abramovich Chelsea zum Verkauf angeboten hatte, gipfelte das Bieterverfahren, um ihn zu ersetzen, am Donnerstag. Anschließend wird der Wunschkandidat ausgewählt.

Die Amtszeit von Abramovich an der Stamford Bridge nähert sich ihrem Ende, und Berichte deuten darauf hin, dass eine Übernahme im Mai abgeschlossen sein wird, vorbehaltlich der Zustimmung der britischen Regierung und der Premier League .  

Die interessierten Parteien wurden zu vier letzten zusammengefasst, und nach Ablauf der Angebotsfrist entschied sich die Familie Ricketts, die das Baseballteam Chicago Cubs leitet, dafür, ihren Vorschlag zurückzuziehen.

Damit bleibt ein Kampf zwischen Gruppen, angeführt von Todd Boehly, Stephen Pagliuca – Miteigentümer der LA Dodgers bzw. Boston Celtics – und dem britischen Geschäftsmann Sir Martin Broughton.

Jeder von ihnen wird detaillierte Pläne und Ideen für Chelsea auf und neben dem Spielfeld formulieren, wobei ein Schlüsselbereich darin liegen soll, wer die Verantwortung für den Fußballbetrieb übernimmt.

Diese Kolumne berichtete letzten Montag, dass alle potenziellen Käufer den Wunsch geäußert hatten, die langjährige Direktorin Marina Granovskaia zu behalten,  falls sie gewinnen sollten, und das wird einer von vielen wichtigen Anrufen sein.

Eine weitere Rolle, die ganz oben auf der Agenda stehen soll, ist die des technischen Direktors, ein Posten, der nicht dauerhaft besetzt wurde, seit Michael Emenalo Chelsea Ende 2017 verlassen hat.

Wenn die Stelle besetzt werden muss, werden sicherlich mehrere Namen ins Bild kommen, und The Athletic hat festgestellt, dass ein Name, der in den Vorgesprächen eine herausragende Rolle spielt, Paul Mitchell ist.   

Es wird angenommen, dass zwei der ursprünglichen Quartette, die um Chelsea kämpfen, Mitchells Situation genau beobachten und den Engländer kontaktieren könnten, wenn sie die Kontrolle übernehmen.

Der ehemalige Spieler von Wigan Athletic und MK Dons ist derzeit Sportdirektor beim AS Monaco – er trat tatsächlich die Nachfolge von Emenalo an – nachdem er zuvor leitende Positionen bei MK Dons, Southampton , Tottenham Hotspur und RB Leipzig innehatte, bevor er im Juni 2020 zur Mannschaft der Ligue 1 wechselte.    

Jüngste Spekulationen deuteten darauf hin, dass Mitchell nach einer Änderung des politischen Klimas im Club abreisen würde, aber es ist bekannt, dass dies nicht die Absicht von Monacos Präsident Dmitry Rybolovlev ist.

Behauptungen über seinen Abgang tauchten am 20. März auf, als Monaco Paris Saint-Germain verblüffte und eine Serie von vier Siegen in Folge begann. Sie sind jetzt Tabellensechster und haben nur drei Punkte Rückstand auf eine mögliche Champions-League-Qualifikation, mit einer der jüngsten Aufstellungen in der französischen Top-Liga.   

Mitchell hat noch zwei Jahre Zeit für seinen Vertrag, und es wird davon ausgegangen, dass Rybolovlev ihn zu einem Treffen am 3. April eingeladen hat, als Monaco Metz in dem einzigen Spiel besiegte, an dem Mitchell seit seinem Umzug aus Leipzig nicht teilgenommen hat, um darauf zu bestehen, dass der Mancunian für ein Projekt von entscheidender Bedeutung ist das wird ohne solche Änderungen fortfahren.

In seiner Zeit im Stade Louis II spielte Mitchell eine zentrale Rolle bei den Wiederaufbaubemühungen, die von einem Bruchteil des Budgets profitierten, das seiner Ankunft vorausging. Monaco-Quellen schreiben ihm zu, dass er das Alter, das Profil und die Leistungskennzahlen ihres Kaders verändert, weit mehr Akademieabsolventen integriert, die Verletzungsbilanz deutlich verbessert und eine Kultur überarbeitet hat, die manche für „unheimlich“ halten.

Er hat auch die Fortschritte bei Cercle Brugge überwacht, dem belgischen Team, das ebenfalls dem russischen Oligarchen Rybolovlev gehört, und das beste Ligaergebnis seit einem Jahrzehnt wurde in der Saison 2021/22 erzielt.

Mitchell war eine Option, die von Newcastle erwogen wurde, bevor er sich entschied, in Monaco zu bleiben – sie nahmen stattdessen Dan Ashworth aus Brighton – und er wurde wiederholt mit Manchester United in Verbindung gebracht .    

Der Interimsmanager von United, Ralf Rangnick, kennt Mitchell gut aus ihrer Zeit zusammen mit Red Bull und hat ihn in die Hierarchie von Old Trafford aufgenommen, wenn sie versuchen, ihre bestehende Struktur zu verbessern.

I hope Chelsea gets one of Campos, Edwards, Mitchell or with outsider Ramon Planes because of little English skills.

I also hope that Marina and Cech can keep their roles.

McLachlan and Crew Out

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Boehly sounds the closest to FSG's style of running a club.