Roman Abramovich Thread

[Laylabelle 9,381]

3 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

You knew it would be harsh.

 

 

So it should be!! The game is 5 days away! Can't turn round and be ooo they shouldn't have fans cause we can't. Why should they lose out. If was at the Bridge their fans would be coming and ours would too as tickets already been on sale sooooo.

[milka 3,349]

All this Media coverage on Chelsea has just proved to me that there has always been and there always will be an agenda .

Only nonsense for  the club, players and everything around the club .

 

[Laylabelle 9,381]

The supporters Trust people urged them to withdraw it as well! Whoever wrote it or thought up the idea needs to keep their mouth shut! Makes us look self centered and idiotic and you knew be a no! 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,517]

All of this is mentally exhausting. We do not know how much past Friday until we actually know something definitive. I really feel for you fans that have been lifelong supporters. The anguish must be crippling. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,517]

Not too sure about this?
 

 

[milka 3,349]

 

[robsblubot 3,529]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

There is.

no, there isn't.

Laws and regulations are written by men.

[Fulham Broadway 16,920]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

All of this is mentally exhausting. We do not know how much past Friday until we actually know something definitive. I really feel for you fans that have been lifelong supporters. The anguish must be crippling. 

It's bad, but as I alluded to before we've been in a lot darker places. On  the verge of bankruptcy, Stamford Bridge almost turned into flats, fans banned (albeit for different reasons). 

Right now it's the uncertainty - but who knows things may even get better than the last 20 years. Gotta hope at least.

[cosmicway 1,333]

51 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

no, there isn't.

Laws and regulations are written by men.

There is some more to this story.
You just can't buy something worth 2.7 billion for 250 million.
One example:
The totalizator of the Athens race course in 1995. An American company who had already won the bid in Cyprus makes an offer for 20 million. Intralot asks for 25 million, the totalizator will not become property of the racecourse but operated by Intralot on behalf of the race course so the race course will have to pay every month !
Intralot wins with the shaky excuse that they offer jobs to Greek workers.
It was scandalous and we all know there was a lot of political wheeling and dealing.
Then they do more. In the year 2001 they change all the displays to euros. But that was n't due till 2002 so they make them show first drachmas
then euros, alternating. The result was awful-unreadable. But Intra got 2 million euros for it, for making the displays unreadeable and then they get paid more in 2002 to make them into proper euro displays.
But all that is small money.
Or the other Greek deal with the German built submarines at around the same time. There was bribing, some people were sentence to long prison sentences, but again it was small money when compared to the total cost of the subs.
How can you pay 250 million for something worth 2.7 billion ? Nobody around to make another offer ? Then it was not worth 2.7 billion.
If it was me I could easily double the bribes to the various officials and buy the snibneft for say 2.3 billion.

Edited March 15, 2022 by cosmicway

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

Funny how there is an related example in Greek history about everything that is happening in the world. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,920]

'"Chelsea" and "sporting integrity" don't belong in the same sentence': Middlesbrough chairman Steve Gibson tears into the 'rotten' world champions, calls for counterpart Bruce Buck to be 'thrown out' and vows to complain to the FA.

Steve Gibsons company Bulkhaul have an agent in Russia called Ruscon which operates throughout Russia. Gibson happy to do business with Putins Russia when he is making money. So many hypocrites....

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Funny how there is an related example in Greek history about everything that is happening in the world. 

Well, I know the various Greek scandals so I 'm trying to play detective Hercules Poirot with the Abramovitch case.
But one thing is for sure. He did n't cause the war or gained (!) from it.

[Superblue 6,372]

For crying out loud Chels, I just want a quiet week to try and forget about the current situation and enjoy the Cheltenham Festival.

I'll argue all day and night about how I feel the club is being unfairly discriminated against due to Roman's sanctions. It should be very simple for the Government to set up some form of independent regulation to work with us or monitor us or even manage our income and release only when required to help cover our costs during this period so we can carry on operating as normal. What the Government are doing with regards to ticketing policies is nothing short of a disgrace and spits in the faces of the fans who they are adamant they do not want to be punished.

But the club loves to shoot itself in the foot time and time again. 

A statement today that says we have been unable to get Government approval to sell tickets, and we've even been unable to give them away for free during this period would have probably bought us a bit of favour within the media as it is the opposite of what the Government have tried to spin that they are sanctioning Roman and not the club. I've even seen that Peter Bonetti is supposed to have a memorial at Stamford Bridge this weekend and they can't even give tickets out for this. We could have really pushed some of this negativity over to the Government for these restrictions.

But no we love nothing more than to stoke the flames even more. 

At present the fingers have to point to Bruce Buck. He is the club's chairman and the club's Premier League rep. Certainly in recent times with Roman's absence from the day to day running of the club, but even more so now he has to take responsibility for these things. From what I've read and when I've heard him speak I must admit that I don't like him. He comes across as extremely arrogant and I can see why that is also a perceived impression of the club from the outside when he is supposed to be representing us from board level.

There's been too many PR own goals over the years and they just carry on. It is definitely something that needs to be addressed with the new ownership. There's ways of fighting your corner and sometimes you have to play the game, we seem awfully rubbish at doing so.

[cosmicway 1,333]

23 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

For crying out loud Chels, I just want a quiet week to try and forget about the current situation and enjoy the Cheltenham Festival.

I'll argue all day and night about how I feel the club is being unfairly discriminated against due to Roman's sanctions. It should be very simple for the Government to set up some form of independent regulation to work with us or monitor us or even manage our income and release only when required to help cover our costs during this period so we can carry on operating as normal. What the Government are doing with regards to ticketing policies is nothing short of a disgrace and spits in the faces of the fans who they are adamant they do not want to be punished.

But the club loves to shoot itself in the foot time and time again. 

A statement today that says we have been unable to get Government approval to sell tickets, and we've even been unable to give them away for free during this period would have probably bought us a bit of favour within the media as it is the opposite of what the Government have tried to spin that they are sanctioning Roman and not the club. I've even seen that Peter Bonetti is supposed to have a memorial at Stamford Bridge this weekend and they can't even give tickets out for this. We could have really pushed some of this negativity over to the Government for these restrictions.

But no we love nothing more than to stoke the flames even more. 

At present the fingers have to point to Bruce Buck. He is the club's chairman and the club's Premier League rep. Certainly in recent times with Roman's absence from the day to day running of the club, but even more so now he has to take responsibility for these things. From what I've read and when I've heard him speak I must admit that I don't like him. He comes across as extremely arrogant and I can see why that is also a perceived impression of the club from the outside when he is supposed to be representing us from board level.

There's been too many PR own goals over the years and they just carry on. It is definitely something that needs to be addressed with the new ownership. There's ways of fighting your corner and sometimes you have to play the game, we seem awfully rubbish at doing so.

The Johnson government are desperately trying to un-Putin themselves, make it look brexit it was never a Putin job.
The Labour opposition who also support brexit seem happy to follow and their supporters are after all supposed to hate all the rich.

[robsblubot 3,529]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

The Johnson government are desperately trying to un-Putin themselves, make it look brexit it was never a Putin job.
The Labour opposition who also support brexit seem happy to follow and their supporters are after all supposed to hate all the rich.

nobody hates the rich 🙂 people aspire to become rich.
The obsenely wealthy on the other hand, like our very own Russian oligarch for example, are detrimental to free markets, democracy, and capitalism in general. However, this would demands its own thread....

For that reason, some people (yours included) just like democracy and actual free markets a bit better than feudalism. If the wealthy have no boundaries, then when do they stop? 

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 minute ago, robsblubot said:

nobody hates the rich 🙂 people aspire to become rich.
The obsenely wealthy on the other hand, like our very own Russian oligarch for example, are detrimental to free markets, democracy, and capitalism in general. However, this would demands its own thread....

For that reason, some people (yours included) just like democracy and actual free markets a bit better than feudalism. If the wealthy have no boundaries, then when do they stop? 

I was referring to the general anti-Chelsea atmosphere of these days and how it works, not the pros and cons of oligarchy.
 

[robsblubot 3,529]

38 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I was referring to the general anti-Chelsea atmosphere of these days and how it works, not the pros and cons of oligarchy.
 

ah yeah agreed. Pure hypocrisy of course!
Like in the article I posted (from the guardian), the other owners aren't any better (some worse) than Abramovich.

On the other hand, the war changed everything. Go a few pages back and I was warning that our sponsors would vanish. Whether Abramovich had Putin's ear or not is irrelevant -- the mere association would be enough now.

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

We as a club are collateral damage (lack of better words perhaps considering the situation in Ukraine that many folk find themselves in) of the whole Roman-Putin links/history which we always knew was there.

Lets not pretend that after the whole Russian poisoning on Sergei Skripal a few years ago also that any sort of international incident involving Russia was always going to bring dire consequences to Roman and more than likely the club.

It sure is going to be interesting to see how this plays out because there is an absolute lot riding on how this sale goes/how it happens etc.

Edited March 16, 2022 by OneMoSalah