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[Rekin 835]

McEachran is our most gifted youth player in years, i think he will make it, but the only one.

To put Chalobah in Toure's catagory you are just simply an idiot if you think so. Go back to bed, Toure is one of the best midfielders in the world. When i watched youth games Chalobah wasn't that special, McEachran was unbelievable in youth games, his passing and creativity was top notch, Chalobah made a lot of errors and got skinned a few times in the defence, he was over hyped and most people who go on about him haven't even watched him play.

Dear god, do you argue in a similar way outside of the forums?

First of all, did you actually see Touré play as an 18-year old? If not, how exactly are you qualified to make such a statement?

There is more than 10 years of a difference between the players, so saying that Chalobah will never reach Touré's level based on the fact that Touré is a much better player today is ,sorry to say, laughworthy.

Nobody is saying that Chalobah will be as good as Touré, only that from what we have seen so far, it is a possibility.

As far as his performance in youth games go, it needs to be remembered that Chalobah spent much time as a central defender, arguably a position that require more time to mold into than many other positions. That could be related to him not giving performances of the highest quality every game, that and the very relevant fact that he is still young.

Furthermore, it is your opinion that he was not "special", most people seem to on the contrary think that he was excellent.

You are also constantly refusing to meet the argument of his current performances in Watford. How come he has been a big success there?

The championship might not be the best league out there, but it is a damn good achievement for an inexperienced youngster to come straight at it and dominate.

[Kojo 4,676]

Dear god, do you argue in a similar way outside of the forums?

First of all, did you actually see Touré play as an 18-year old? If not, how exactly are you qualified to make such a statement?

There is more than 10 years of a difference between the players, so saying that Chalobah will never reach Touré's level based on the fact that Touré is a much better player today is ,sorry to say, laughworthy.

Nobody is saying that Chalobah will be as good as Touré, only that from what we have seen so far, it is a possibility.

As far as his performance in youth games go, it needs to be remembered that Chalobah spent much time as a central defender, arguably a position that require more time to mold into than many other positions. That could be related to him not giving performances of the highest quality every game, that and the very relevant fact that he is still young.

Furthermore, it is your opinion that he was not "special", most people seem to on the contrary think that he was excellent.

You are also constantly refusing to meet the argument of his current performances in Watford. How come he has been a big success there?

The championship might not be the best league out there, but it is a damn good achievement for an inexperienced youngster to come straight at it and dominate.

Chalobah will not be as good as Toure and that's that. You're just dreaming if you honeslty think that Chalobah will be as good as him, you where probably one of the ones who rated that Conner Clifford and thought he would be our next midfielder.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Jesus - having an opinion can get you so much stick on this forum...!

I see merits in both arguments, but I think I have to agree with Kojo and Mundaku - as a short term solution for next 2 seasons, this guy could work - if we offload some dead wood, benayoun, Malouda etc - wages won't be an issue.

So what I'm saying is if you could swap Malouda + Yossi for this guy, would you?

Chalaboh will get his chance - lets not panic about that and if he aspires to this position, having YAYa day in day out in practice, will help him evolve...

[The only place to be 11,313]

Dont ignore my argument of the single DM btw with you going for a 4-2-3-1 with nice Mikel protection...

Next to this, wow , really wow, he will become the best DM ever then if he's already good enough without playing a game against strong oposition in a role like that...

I'm not ignoring it, I'm simply saying that we're playing in a 4231 now. I'm not sure why you bought up the 433 if I'm being honest and in that scenario I think he could play either the 'Makelele-role' or further forward.

McEachran is our most gifted youth player in years, i think he will make it, but the only one.

Technically he's superb, but it takes more than that. Put it like this - his talent is his engine, but you need the right tyres and suspension to actually put that superior engine power to work and that's what he's struggled to do in my opinion. Too often he drifts out of games and struggles to put his technical gifts to work. He needs to overcome those issues which is why i still think he's a couple of seasons away from being ready for us. I don't think he'll be the only one either, but it depends how young you want to discuss players.

To put Chalobah in Toure's catagory you are just simply an idiot if you think so. Go back to bed, Toure is one of the best midfielders in the world.

And now we start with you just throwing insults. Why don't we actually talk about a player's abilities and be specific?

When i watched youth games Chalobah wasn't that special, McEachran was unbelievable in youth games, his passing and creativity was top notch, Chalobah made a lot of errors and got skinned a few times in the defence, he was over hyped and most people who go on about him haven't even watched him play.

To say he wasn't that special is as bad as the people you accuse of 'overhyping' him. He was always a very classy player, but of course he made errors. Ake makes errors. Feruz makes errors. All young players make errors.

Guess what.....McEachran made errors too.

But Chalobah has made massive strides since being pushed into midfield and has shown an ability to impose himself on matches consistently that Josh simply hasn't. Now this doesn't need to be an either/or discussion because there's room for both players to progress but they are very different players at different stages in their development. That's normal for young players though - despite what some people might think there isn't a prescribed formula that works for all youngsters.

Now hopefully you're got the insults out of your system and you could try and articulate just why you think Chalobah can't ever be as good as Toure. What specific aspects of his game are lacking?

[Kojo 4,676]

Jesus - having an opinion can get you so much stick on this forum...!

I see merits in both arguments, but I think I have to agree with Kojo and Mundaku - as a short term solution for next 2 seasons, this guy could work - if we offload some dead wood, benayoun, Malouda etc - wages won't be an issue.

So what I'm saying is if you could swap Malouda + Yossi for this guy, would you?

Chalaboh will get his chance - lets not panic about that and if he aspires to this position, having YAYa day in day out in practice, will help him evolve...

I'm just on the wind up at the moment, seems to be working in order. But seriously if you think Chalobah will end up as good as Toure that's just stupid, i bet you any money all the city fans will be pissing themselves laughing if they seen this thread. It's like if a City fan said Devante Cole will be as good as Drogba, think of how many people on here would laughing at that post.

I bet you not one person would stop to look at both sides, because that's what most people are on this forum, hypocrites.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Chalobah will not be as good as Toure and that's that. You're just dreaming if you honeslty think that Chalobah will be as good as him, you where probably one of the ones who rated that Conner Clifford and thought he would be our next midfielder.

Connor was no better than Michael Wood in my opinion. A nice touch when given time but found that time and space evaporated as the competition got tougher. That's almost exactly the same problem Josh has found himself facing at times at Boro, although I will say that some of his teammates movement off the ball simply isn't good enough.

Writing off a kid when you can't either find a reason or explain your reasoning is massively unfair and adds nothing to the debate.

[English Freak 456]

I'm just on the wind up at the moment, seems to be working in order. But seriously if you think Chalobah will end up as good as Toure that's just stupid, i bet you any money all the city fans will be pissing themselves laughing if they seen this thread. It's like if a City fan said Devante Cole will be as good as Drogba, think of how many people on here would laughing at that post.

I bet you not one person would stop to look at both sides, because that's what most people are on this forum, hypocrites.

Obviously people would laugh at the idea of Devante Cole being as good as Drogba....cause Devante is an unknown player who will probably end up playing in League 2 in the coming years...

[Kojo 4,676]

Connor was no better than Michael Wood in my opinion. A nice touch when given time but found that time and space evaporated as the competition got tougher. That's almost exactly the same problem Josh has found himself facing at times at Boro, although I will say that some of his teammates movement off the ball simply isn't good enough.

Writing off a kid when you can't either find a reason or explain your reasoning is massively unfair and adds nothing to the debate.

I really can't remember when i wanted to debate about Chalobahs skills to be honest. The only thing i can remember is that Chalobah will not be in the same class as Toure, and you can still be a great player even if Yaya is better than you.

But this forum is like a fucking rollercoaster that 'mentalist' doesn't quite define it. Everyone was on Lukaku's back just because he had a few problems with his first touch, now everyone on this forum is saying he is the one, and I've even seen some comments that people are scared Lukaku will turn us down and go to Real Madrid or something.

Now there is this thing with Chalobah and people seem to think that this kid is our new superstar and we shouldn't bother getting any new players.

[Kojo 4,676]

Obviously people would laugh at the idea of Devante Cole being as good as Drogba....cause Devante is an unknown player who will probably end up playing in League 2 in the coming years...

Actually he is a good player, i reckon he will be a premier league striker, not sure for City mind. I've watched Cole in a few games, mostly england games and he has played really well.

But what do i know? I'm just a guy with a different opinion.

[Beepu 1,714]

I'm just on the wind up at the moment, seems to be working in order. But seriously if you think Chalobah will end up as good as Toure that's just stupid, i bet you any money all the city fans will be pissing themselves laughing if they seen this thread. It's like if a City fan said Devante Cole will be as good as Drogba, think of how many people on here would laughing at that post.

I bet you not one person would stop to look at both sides, because that's what most people are on this forum, hypocrites.

I wouldnt want to rule out any youth really. For all we know some might be late bloomers like Drogba. I wouldnt brand them as the next ______ either.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I really can't remember when i wanted to debate about Chalobahs skills to be honest. The only thing i can remember is that Chalobah will not be in the same class as Toure, and you can still be a great player even if Yaya is better than you.

But this forum is like a fucking rollercoaster that 'mentalist' doesn't quite define it. Everyone was on Lukaku's back just because he had a few problems with his first touch, now everyone on this forum is saying he is the one, and I've even seen some comments that people are scared Lukaku will turn us down and go to Real Madrid or something.

Now there is this thing with Chalobah and people seem to think that this kid is our new superstar and we shouldn't bother getting any new players.

And apparently people who disagree with the idea that Chalobah could be as good as Toure are worthy of derision?

People on this forum are capable of talking about players in a fair manner I've found, and the only 'mentalists' are the ones who ignore that and simply insult other people (I'm talking about you by the way). For you to then bitch about that is a little hysterical and shows a complete lack of self-awareness, which is a shame because you're missing out on a pretty funny joke.

People aren't saying he will be a superstar, but that he has the potential to be and has shown a lot in his first season. They're also not saying that we shouldn't buy any new players, just not one who would be 30 when he signed, cost a bomb and hasn't exactly had his best season.

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Will I be insulted if I say that I have faith in a young lad from Sierra Leone and that I think Yaya Touré is supremely overrated?

[Kojo 4,676]

And apparently people who disagree with the idea that Chalobah could be as good as Toure are worthy of derision?

People on this forum are capable of talking about players in a fair manner I've found, and the only 'mentalists' are the ones who ignore that and simply insult other people (I'm talking about you by the way). For you to then bitch about that is a little hysterical and shows a complete lack of self-awareness, which is a shame because you're missing out on a pretty funny joke.

People aren't saying he will be a superstar, but that he has the potential to be and has shown a lot in his first season. They're also not saying that we shouldn't buy any new players, just not one who would be 30 when he signed, cost a bomb and hasn't exactly had his best season.

I can't remember insulting anyone tbh? but i believe you put in terms that i was bitching so therefor you said was a bitch, so you're the one insulting.

You're the one who has a problem, just like the others who have had a problem you mayaswell just let it go because nothings changed me so far. And you're saying Toure has had a bad season pretty much? Have you been watching? He's one of the few who has been good for City in my opinion. Silva is the one who has proven to be overrated and all just a hype, he has been pretty damn garbage tbh.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I can't remember insulting anyone tbh? but i believe you put in terms that i was bitching so therefor you said was a bitch, so you're the one insulting.

You're the one who has a problem, just like the others who have had a problem you mayaswell just let it go because nothings changed me so far. And you're saying Toure has had a bad season pretty much? Have you been watching? He's one of the few who has been good for City in my opinion. Silva is the one who has proven to be overrated and all just a hype, he has been pretty damn garbage tbh.

I said he hasn't exactly had his best season and I stick by that. One season isn't a definitive indicator of a decline but combine that with being 30 and the financial package he would need and that's enough question marks for me to be hesitant about him signing for us. Personally I think they've had the same issues as us with their midfield simply not being good enough, in particular Garcia, Barry and Rodwell.

But when you look at how we handle players who are already at the club over-30 and our contract policy, I simply can't see the logic behind us giving him a minimum contract of three years.

[Kojo 4,676]

I said he hasn't exactly had his best season and I stick by that. One season isn't a definitive indicator of a decline but combine that with being 30 and the financial package he would need and that's enough question marks for me to be hesitant about him signing for us. Personally I think they've had the same issues as us with their midfield simply not being good enough, in particular Garcia, Barry and Rodwell.

But when you look at how we handle players who are already at the club over-30 and our contract policy, I simply can't see the logic behind us giving him a minimum contract of three years.

I don't want to sign Toure, it would be stupid as the deal would be too big and the funny thing is this thread all became active just because some dude said 'i heard that...' which could be just about anything.

The older Yaya gets the better, not for him but for us, he's one of the main reasons why City win games, without him City can't even function consitently, he is there drive. And we don't have any drive in our midfield do we, except if Cholou is right and Mikel actually is the best DM ever existed then maybe we might not have to buy midfielders ever again.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

DAMN!!I cant find the michael jackson popcorn gif.

[English Freak 456]

I said he hasn't exactly had his best season and I stick by that. One season isn't a definitive indicator of a decline but combine that with being 30 and the financial package he would need and that's enough question marks for me to be hesitant about him signing for us. Personally I think they've had the same issues as us with their midfield simply not being good enough, in particular Garcia, Barry and Rodwell.

But when you look at how we handle players who are already at the club over-30 and our contract policy, I simply can't see the logic behind us giving him a minimum contract of three years.

Bit harsh on Rodwell, he hasn't even made 10 appearances for City due to injuries..

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Right, at the risk of getting involved in whatever is going on up there, I think Toure is dirty cunt, but that's not why I don't want to sign him. He's clearly on the decline. The good performance he put in this season can be counted on one hand. Practically, he'll be another Deco. I would much rather see us invest in a more permanent solution.

[zolayes 14,489]

Will I be insulted if I say that I have faith in a young lad from Sierra Leone and that I think Yaya Touré is supremely overrated?

NO but you should be for having that completely disgusting av. I am just surprised it isnt covered in sauce

[Thomas Williams 166]

Toure is not the Gerrard/Giggs/Scholes type player who will be able to play well into his 30's. If we sign him, we'll be complaining about his wages until his contract expires, I guarantee it.

If we could sign a 26 year old Toure, I'd be ecstatic, I think he could really do well in the pivot or cover for mata, but that's not the case.