Beepu 1,714 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yeah because Chalobah will ever be as good as Toure, keep dreaming.Kojo like anyone could even know that. He might never be as good but theres a chance he might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,973 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Fuck YaYa and that gormless expression slapped accross his chevy chase!I have and will never forget the way he treats Mata and neither should you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,449 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 He's 30+ and has a volatile attitude..not an attractive option. He may be a lot better than players who play for us in a similar position, but he's not the type of player we should be going for.Add to that, he supposedly has a price tag in excess of 20m....Let's just hope this is nothing more than a rumor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekin 835 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yeah because Chalobah will ever be as good as Toure, keep dreaming.Would that really be inconceivable?I mean, Touré was playing in Beveren when he was at Nathaniel's age. I very much doubt people said back then that he would be a key player in teams such as Barcelona or Manchester City (not that City made much of an impression in 2003).All we know now is that Nathaniel is very talented and more than able to hold his own in the Championship, even though it is a very physical league and his first season in the first team.Personally I think that he could reach similar levels if he is given enough exposure to high-level football in the next 5-7 years. Whether it happens or not is nothing more than speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Kojo like anyone could even know that. He might never be as good but theres a chance he might be better.Would that really be inconceivable?I mean, Touré was playing in Beveren when he was at Nathaniel's age. I very much doubt people said back then that he would be a key player in teams such as Barcelona or Manchester City (not that City made much of an impression in 2003).All we know now is that Nathaniel is very talented and more than able to hold his own in the Championship, even though it is a very physical league and his first season in the first team.Personally I think that he could reach similar levels if he is given enough exposure to high-level football in the next 5-7 years. Whether it happens or not is nothing more than speculation.Chalobah is over hyped, he's a good talent but he's not that good. And since when do english players come to be world class? like once in a blue moon.Toure on the other hand is one of the best midfielders I've ever seen, he has the laziest mentallity, but his technical skills are just fantastic, what a player. Easily Man Citys best player, to think Chalobah will be on his level is just dreaming, we say this about any youngster who we hear of in the academy.The harsh part is i bet Chalobah will end up not even having a chance in our team, probably be sold off somewhere in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Chalobah is over hyped, he's a good talent but he's not that good. And since when do english players come to be world class? like once in a blue moon.I disagree. I think he shows a level of composure and maturity few players his age, in fact any age, have. Physically he's got all the tools and he's also very good on a technical level.Toure on the other hand is one of the best midfielders I've ever seen, he has the laziest mentallity, but his technical skills are just fantastic, what a player. Easily Man Citys best player, to think Chalobah will be on his level is just dreaming, we say this about any youngster who we hear of in the academy.The harsh part is i bet Chalobah will end up not even having a chance in our team, probably be sold off somewhere in a few years.Chalobah is very much on his way to earning a shot in our team, in a position that we're lacking. Whilst we shouldn't go overboard about every player in our academy, we should try and be honest when a player is good as well. You haven't presented a single footballing reason why you think Chalobah couldn't be as good as Toure so you just sound like a hater.Do you think he lacks one of the tools needed to succeed? Which one? Does he lack vision? Is he not physically strong enough to compete at the top level? Do he look rushed or hurried when put under pressure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekin 835 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Chalobah is over hyped, he's a good talent but he's not that good. And since when do english players come to be world class? like once in a blue moon.Toure on the other hand is one of the best midfielders I've ever seen, he has the laziest mentallity, but his technical skills are just fantastic, what a player. Easily Man Citys best player, to think Chalobah will be on his level is just dreaming, we say this about any youngster who we hear of in the academy.The harsh part is i bet Chalobah will end up not even having a chance in our team, probably be sold off somewhere in a few years.Let us look at the facts.Chalobah just turned 18. This is his first loan-spell, and he has been one of the best players in of the best teams in the Championship. This despite it being a very physical league and him being in a naturally exposed position. Earlier he has been a pillar in the younger Chelsea sides, and have represented his country several times, also on a youth level.What else can we really ask from an 18-year old? As I mentioned earlier, Touré was not the player that he is today 10 years ago.In conclusion, I would say that it is rather difficult to accuse Chalobah of being overhyped as he has so far exceeded any reasonable expectations put on him. Perhaps he will be "found out" next year if Watford play in the PL, but right now there is a good reason to be quite optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Funny thing is, Chalobah will not end up as good as Toure. Despite your arguements, despite your little salvation party going on with huge agreement fest, i would bet a million pounds on it.Toure is one of the best midfielders I've ever seen, McEachran has shown more promise than Chalobah, and even he wont ever be in the same league as Toure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaka 243 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 He played the DM role at barcelona (alone) when they were at their best (as a team)... i think he will do fine.Unless chelsea goes back to 433, I can not see any reason why Yaya is needed since he is totally no DM and needs space in the front line. He is a bit like Fellaini who has much attacking qualities and may not contribute to defence as we expect. However he is older and asks for higher salary than Fellaini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaka 243 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Chabolah is not ready yet to run things in a midfield like that and it would be the worst position to have someone unexperienced playing.Toure is 29, which means Chabolah can easely succeed him, when he's 32 Chabolah is 21, in meanwhile he can also learn of one of the best in that position so great no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Funny thing is, Chalobah will not end up as good as Toure. Despite your arguements, despite your little salvation party going on with huge agreement fest, i would bet a million pounds on it.Again, not a single reference to his footballing ability or aspect of his character. You're just making unqualified statements, or chatting shit as it's more commonly known.Toure is one of the best midfielders I've ever seen, McEachran has shown more promise than Chalobah, and even he wont ever be in the same league as Toure.McEachran has great technical gifts but there are question marks over the physical aspects of his game and increasingly the mental aspects. He's shown a tendency to drift out of games late on and struggle to impose himself on entire games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Chabolah is not ready yet to run things in a midfield like that In what sense? From having watched Chalobah play, in what specific areas is he not ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaka 243 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 In what sense? From having watched Chalobah play, in what specific areas is he not ready?Just read my full sentence....And to point it out:The defensive part, interceptions, gamereading & actiontaking at specific situations (aka experience) is not that good already @ chabolah who's just 18 and hasn't played a decent oponent yet, you cant be serious to want him to be a DM in a 4-3-3 with 1 DM (which is what most of us are aiming for no?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Just read my full sentence....You don't talk specifics. You say he's inexperienced and that's it. In what ways has his 'inexperience' shown itself in his league form?Now you've edited, I can disagree with the specific points. I've always felt his reading of the game was exceptional for his age and that's continued. The one thing that defines his game his time - he always looks to have a second more on the ball then everyone around him and that's been the case at Watford. That all stems from an understanding of space within the game - he knows where the opposition are and where his teammates will be.That's why I don't recognise the criticism you're leveling at him as bearing much of a resemblance to reality. His defensive stability is one of the stronger aspects of his game having come from a background as a centre-back.As for his place in the team, I'd be happy to see him alongside Mikel or a new playmaker in a 4231. Edited March 21, 2013 by The only place to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 A big 'NO-NO' to this transfer. Already 30 this year. Would require high wages. Have a similar player in Ramires. He's not the type of midfielder we need right now and his attitude and behaviour can at times be erratic. So, no thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaka 243 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 You don't talk specifics. You say he's inexperienced and that's it. In what ways has his 'inexperience' shown itself in his league form?Now you've edited, I can disagree with the specific points. I've always felt his reading of the game was exceptional for his age and that's continued. The one thing that defines his game his time - he always looks to have a second more on the ball then everyone around him and that's been the case at Watford. That all stems from an understanding of space within the game - he knows where the opposition are and where his teammates will be.That's why I don't recognise the criticism you're leveling at him as bearing much of a resemblance to reality. His defensive stability is one of the stronger aspects of his game having come from a background as a centre-back.As for his place in the team, I'd be happy to see him alongside Mikel or a new playmaker in a 4231.Dont ignore my argument of the single DM btw with you going for a 4-2-3-1 with nice Mikel protection...Next to this, wow , really wow, he will become the best DM ever then if he's already good enough without playing a game against strong oposition in a role like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Again, not a single reference to his footballing ability or aspect of his character. You're just making unqualified statements, or chatting shit as it's more commonly known.McEachran has great technical gifts but there are question marks over the physical aspects of his game and increasingly the mental aspects. He's shown a tendency to drift out of games late on and struggle to impose himself on entire games.McEachran is our most gifted youth player in years, i think he will make it, but the only one.To put Chalobah in Toure's catagory you are just simply an idiot if you think so. Go back to bed, Toure is one of the best midfielders in the world. When i watched youth games Chalobah wasn't that special, McEachran was unbelievable in youth games, his passing and creativity was top notch, Chalobah made a lot of errors and got skinned a few times in the defence, he was over hyped and most people who go on about him haven't even watched him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 McEachran is our most gifted youth player in years, i think he will make it, but the only one.To put Chalobah in Toure's catagory you are just simply an idiot if you think so. Go back to bed, Toure is one of the best midfielders in the world. When i watched youth games Chalobah wasn't that special, McEachran was unbelievable in youth games, his passing and creativity was top notch, Chalobah made a lot of errors and got skinned a few times in the defence, he was over hyped and most people who go on about him haven't even watched him play.I think this topic is one that is impossible to judge, im not sure if youve watched toure when he was 18. I havent but im sure he wasnt spectacular as he is now. Im not saying he will be as good as toure but being so sure he wont be is just to confident in your own opinion which i believe without humility and an open mind is the downfall of human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 McEachran is our most gifted youth player in years, i think he will make it, but the only one.To put Chalobah in Toure's catagory you are just simply an idiot if you think so. Go back to bed, Toure is one of the best midfielders in the world. When i watched youth games Chalobah wasn't that special, McEachran was unbelievable in youth games, his passing and creativity was top notch, Chalobah made a lot of errors and got skinned a few times in the defence, he was over hyped and most people who go on about him haven't even watched him play.Yea McEachran was very impressive in youth games...but at the end of the day, he'll be nothing more than a squad player.NO-ONE is putting Chalobah into Toure's category...people were just making the point that if Chalobah keeps developing, he could be a class midfield in a few seasons.Also, Touré wasn't even recognised until he went on trial as a 21-year-old with Arsenal at the end of 2004. Wenger couldn't decide Toure's best position so he decided not to sign him...and Touré ended up signing for Olympiakos where he began realising his potential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laeth 527 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Aren't you the one who rated Tiote? He's an awful awful player, so I think everyone should take what you say with a pinch if salt =P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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