Politics & Stuff

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Course not but depends how you frame the debate, its another angle.

Dave, surely the only relevant frame of reference concerns the slaughter of women and children by a superpower.

I find nothing to admire in how strong and powerful israel are in some kind of Nietszchien fan worship

[CHOULO19 24,332]

MrExcalibur100, on 25 Jul 2014 - 12:45 AM, said:

1. And where did I say ISIS was founded in Iraq? I never said that which is what majority of your post is about.

2 And also telling the Christians there to either convert, pay tax or die (which is gotten from Qur'an 9:29)

3. You can't blame the West for the ideology of ISIS which was the point I was making, not the history of ISIS and how it was formed.

4. They do now.

Hey, look what I found for you:

"According a document recently released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, now the Islamic State, is an intelligence asset.

The NSA document reveals the United States, Israel, and Britain are responsible for the creation of ISIS.

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”. NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”. Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech."

Sources:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/edward-snowden-reveals-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-video-2993768.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-according-to-document-released-by-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-leader-of-isis-is-a-mossad-intelligence-asset-alex-james

http://www.infowars.com/nsa-doc-reveals-isis-leader-al-baghdadi-is-u-s-british-and-israeli-intelligence-asset/

[Rmpr 8,977]

True but what ever way you look at it, they're a tiny country despised by their entire region, yet they've secure the future of their citizens and delivered to them the the highest quality of life. May be cunts, but they're winning cunts who I expect couldn't care less what people like us think.

Israel "secured" the future of their citizens at the expense of thousands of other innocent people. But well, that's all fine. After all, they are "winning cunts"...

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

^ absolute dynamite choulo

Similarly I remember a documentary on BBC about 2005 showing that al quaeda was a Western invention and didnt exist

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/121429/CIA_no_alqaeda_ever_existed__BBC_documentary_the_power_of_nightmares/

[Rmpr 8,977]

What pisses me off is that if Israel (aka USA) really wanted to exterminate Hamas without harming innocent people, they very well could!

Just like they could have done it in Afghanistan and Iraq tbh.

However, if they did so, there would be no more excuses to keep their trillion dollar arms industry at full power. Thus creating an economic problem and a legion of unhappy lobbyists!

Every government needs the back up of powerful and rich people, and there is no better place to find those then in the arms industry (the most profitable business in the world). Because of that, politicians will NEVER do anything to make them mad. Even if it means millions of people will suffer and die because of it.

Those never ending wars are the dream of every weapon's manufacture company. They make the biased media claim for security so the governments are pressured to invest more and more on ballistic technology. But at the same time, they illegally sell their old stock to terrorist and rebel groups who cant afford the advanced stuff they sell to USA/Israel. It's absolutely brilliant. They created a business in which there is no competition and they sell for both parties. They create the cause and demand, they control the manufacturing process and they sell their products to both sides. Who wouldnt want that, right?

Well, unless you are a human being and care about innocent children and women getting mutilated by the thousands just so a few dozens can get rich, there is absolutely nothing wrong...

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Hey, look what I found for you:

"According a document recently released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, now the Islamic State, is an intelligence asset.

The NSA document reveals the United States, Israel, and Britain are responsible for the creation of ISIS.

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”. NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”. Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech."

Sources:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/edward-snowden-reveals-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-video-2993768.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-according-to-document-released-by-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-leader-of-isis-is-a-mossad-intelligence-asset-alex-james

http://www.infowars.com/nsa-doc-reveals-isis-leader-al-baghdadi-is-u-s-british-and-israeli-intelligence-asset/

Eih yabni el seya3a di?Ostaaaaaaaaz

Translation: Egyptian slang terminology for good job.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Its like the late great bill hicks said when paroding us govt officials

"Iraq, they got incredible weapons, incredible weapons, we gotta bomb the shit out of them !"

"How do you know that ?"

"Er, we looked at the receipt"

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Do you find it surprising, coming from a Criminal, who is leading a Terror State that has done many crime of war and against the humanity all over the Earth in the last 60 years or so ?

Ever since the end of the Second World War, the US are nearly in a permanent war all over the world. Here a small sample of their atrocities :

• 1945 : US is the first, the last and the sole country to use the atomic bomb on people targets, killing in the proccess between 130 000 (according to the (US Department of Energy) and 240 000 (according to some historian) people.
• 1955-1975 : Vietnam war. US dropped 7 millions of tons of bomb, which is twice as much as what the Allied did during the WW2, killing something like one million civilians in the process. They massively used phosphorus bombs, which after have been recognised as war crime and/or banned from use against civilians. They also used the Orange Agent, which has been and still is devasting for the civilians and even for the US soldiers ! Etc..
• 1973 : they helped Augusto Pinochet to take the power. Enough said.
• Since 2001 they attacked Afghanistan and Irak, driving these two country and its people into chaos. not to mention Abou Ghraib, etc...
• Oh, and Guantanamo and all its secret prisons all over the world.

Really, Obama, and any US president cannot condemn Israel. He can condemn Putin and that kind of presidents/countries, because they do not belong to the "Occident World", they are historically the bad men. But Israel belongs to that so called Occidental world ; to condemn Israel would be condemning what US is doing, right now, in Afghanistan and Irak, to condemn what they did ever since the end of the WW2.

And finally, since 2001 and they declaration of war against terrorism and the "axe of evil", US have declared the war to the muslim and the arab world. So, what some dead arabs represents to that kind of governments ? Nothing. And the cunts, they do not have petrole ; so why would they "help" them.

To conclude, Mohammed, yes, Obama sees the damage to the civilians infrastructures and he is well aware of that his own army is doing the same in Afghanistan and Irak. It is just that he has no interest in defending the palestinians ; and he deplores the death of civilians in Gaza merely out of political correctness I mean, he is the one that gives the weapons that kill them !

Excellent post

I laugh every time someone makes Usa seem like an innocent country when it comes to war situations. They only support their own interests. Russia annexing Crimea was badly criticized by every media (Usa did worse in Iraq and Afghanistan) but imo it's not even as bad as the lives that are lost in Gaza but since Muslims are dying, I guess its ok by Usa.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I know hamas are the guilty party here, but there has to be another tactical way to stop hamas or negotiate a peace deal of some sort, rather than killing 1000civillians and counting along the way.

[-Kaplan- 410]

Here to explain why anti-semitism is good for us all, TC forumers.

Why are jews so easy to hate? As a jewish person myself, I rather like the idea of eliminating jews. There's a certain tang about the whole idea. You see, I like giving only one side of a topic and calling it un-biased.

[Kieran. 6,317]

We don't hate Jews you fucking deluded moron.

[-Kaplan- 410]

We don't hate Jews you fucking deluded moron.

You, as an american, said your reason for not supporting the US was because you study sociology. Dont talk to me.