Politics & Stuff

[Guest FullEnglishBreakfast]

One of the basic tenants of Italian Fascism is the taking away of rights. What you basically stated in this post was that: "Nothing is wrong with what Di Canio believes, as long as it doesnt happen."

It is simply a sickening ideology.

Well it's true isn't it? It's a contradiction to tell him that he can't believe in that stuff. Taking away his right to believe in bollocks doesn't seem right. It's a hypocritical ideology and I don't to be a hypocrite either.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Fuck your rights if it's oppressive to others. End of.

[Guest FullEnglishBreakfast]

Fuck your rights if it's oppressive to others. End of.

But then you are opressing them, becoming the exact same thing as them. So fuck your own rights to?

Don't forget what Nietzsche said...

[dave30 728]

Fuck your rights if it's oppressive to others. End of.

Do you actually have anything remotely intelligent or though trough to contribute to this debate?

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Well it's true isn't it? It's a contradiction to tell him that he can't believe in that stuff. Taking away his right to believe in bollocks doesn't seem right. It's a hypocritical ideology and I don't to be a hypocrite either.

It is true, and I would never support a government which would tell a citizen what they can or cannot believe.

Sunderland, as a business and organization, should know better though.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

https://twitter.com/Op_Israel

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews

[Spike 12,049]

If Israelis get kicked out of Israel, I'd better be kicked out of Australia. Fair is fair, you know?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If Israelis get kicked out of Israel, I'd better be kicked out of Australia. Fair is fair, you know?

Why? Did you come to Australia 60 years ago, kicked someone out of his home, killed his family and took his house? If so, then yes, you probably should be kicked out of Australia.

[Liquidator 5,176]

Found out today that for my year 13 A levels next year up to 50% of my lessons could be 'independent study' i.e. no teacher because of government cuts. Really what the fuck is this? A levels are amongst the most difficult exams you will ever take and the government expects us to meet all their stupid targets with 50% less teaching? Fuck them. Once the grades inevitably decrease we will hear them start moaning that we are all failures because 'our 18 year olds are not as clever as those from Holland, Denmark, Sweden etc.'

Well why would that be then you fucking cretins? Maybe because you spend so much of the country's budget in 20 years that you completely fuck up the country for the next 20 years and have to make drastic cuts. Its not rocket science. But they won't give a shit because they will be retired at 60 with a nice pension.

There will also be complaints from Universities that people are either not meeting their entry requirements or people are not going to University so the government will moan even more that 'our workforce isn't skilled enough'. Still, they have got their apprenticeship scheme all set up and are spending millions promoting that. A few years after they discouraged it. Twats. Maybe if you had realized that its a good idea we wouldn't have to put up with you spending millions promoting it again.

I understand cuts are necessary (but only because the idiots who run this country fucked it up in the first place) but you can't make all these cuts that will make people homeless and then spend £10m on a funeral for someone who was despised by so many. Fucking mess of a country.

[Spike 12,049]

Why? Did you come to Australia 60 years ago, kicked someone out of his home, killed his family and took his house? If so, then yes, you probably should be kicked out of Australia.

No but I'm sure my ancestors did and if they didn't a lot of others did. And the exact same thing applies to Israelis.

I bet you know next to nothing about what's happened in Australia since January 26 1788. And that's fair, I don't know much about Lebanon.

[Peppen 934]

Found out today that for my year 13 A levels next year up to 50% of my lessons could be 'independent study' i.e. no teacher because of government cuts. Really what the fuck is this? A levels are amongst the most difficult exams you will ever take and the government expects us to meet all their stupid targets with 50% less teaching? Fuck them. Once the grades inevitably decrease we will hear them start moaning that we are all failures because 'our 18 year olds are not as clever as those from Holland, Denmark, Sweden etc.'

Well why would that be then you fucking cretins? Maybe because you spend so much of the country's budget in 20 years that you completely fuck up the country for the next 20 years and have to make drastic cuts. Its not rocket science. But they won't give a shit because they will be retired at 60 with a nice pension.

There will also be complaints from Universities that people are either not meeting their entry requirements or people are not going to University so the government will moan even more that 'our workforce isn't skilled enough'. Still, they have got their apprenticeship scheme all set up and are spending millions promoting that. A few years after they discouraged it. Twats. Maybe if you had realized that its a good idea we wouldn't have to put up with you spending millions promoting it again.

I understand cuts are necessary (but only because the idiots who run this country fucked it up in the first place) but you can't make all these cuts that will make people homeless and then spend £10m on a funeral for someone who was despised by so many. Fucking mess of a country.

I concur, sir. The political system has so many flaws.

What I don't get though, is the highlighted quoted sentence. In Denmark, they always tell us that we aren't as clever as other European countries...

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Oh man, the post-crisis xenophobia begins: a plane at Logan Airport has been brought back over worries from two men speaking arabic.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

No but I'm sure my ancestors did and if they didn't a lot of others did. And the exact same thing applies to Israelis.

Wrong. In Palestine, millions of people were literally thrown out of their houses and and forced to leave the country. That has never happened in history, not that I know of at least. They were made to go to leave their homes and farms and work to go to countries where they have nothing and where they have been forced to live in refugee camps since 1948. There are tens of those camps across Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. I live across the highway to one of those refugee camps and if there were still day light I would have took a picture and posted it here so you could see what it looks like. They live in crammed, poorly built houses that don't have the most basic aspects for life. For political reasons, they aren't allowed to own any property or work in most jobs. So no it not exactly the same at all because when it comes to Pallestine there are millions of people living in inhuman conditions who still want their land and homes back.

EDIT: Here are a few pics I got from onlline:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z291/johnlknight/U834109.jpg

http://www.map-uk.org/files/442_burg_typical_camp_scene.jpg

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/34/RefugeeCamp.palestine-34.jpg

http://www.greenprophet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/refugee-camp-lebanon-al-jazeera-560x315.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/400-2/photos/1289996807-palestinian-hiphop-in-beiruts-refugee-camps_461942.jpg

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Oh man, the post-crisis xenophobia begins: a plane at Logan Airport has been brought back over worries from two men speaking arabic.

You're joking?

[Hutcho 8,443]

Not sure if this is the same story but:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/feed/news/weird-news/report-says-men-speaking-arabic-removed-from/fFxfz/

[Stingray 9,441]

Wrong. In Palestine, millions of people were literally thrown out of their houses and and forced to leave the country. That has never happened in history, not that I know of at least. They were made to go to leave their homes and farms and work to go to countries where they have nothing and where they have been forced to live in refugee camps since 1948. There are tens of those camps across Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. I live across the highway to one of those refugee camps and if there were still day light I would have took a picture and posted it here so you could see what it looks like. They live in crammed, poorly built houses that don't have the most basic aspects for life. For political reasons, they aren't allowed to own any property or work in most jobs. So no it not exactly the same at all because when it comes to Pallestine there are millions of people living in inhuman conditions who still want their land and homes back.

EDIT: Here are a few pics I got from onlline:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z291/johnlknight/U834109.jpg

http://www.map-uk.org/files/442_burg_typical_camp_scene.jpg

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/34/RefugeeCamp.palestine-34.jpg

http://www.greenprophet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/refugee-camp-lebanon-al-jazeera-560x315.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/400-2/photos/1289996807-palestinian-hiphop-in-beiruts-refugee-camps_461942.jpg

There is no way I can say how much that hurts me hearing that. I believe too much wrong has been done for too long for the most erroneous reasons where you live (and your ancestors did). I pay my respects.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You're joking?

No, sadly, he's not: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/21988916/2013/04/16/plane-brought-back-to-gate-at-logan-airport

Smh.

[Rmpr 8,977]

^^

This is what you get when the media influences people. Speechless.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Wrong. In Palestine, millions of people were literally thrown out of their houses and and forced to leave the country. That has never happened in history, not that I know of at least. They were made to go to leave their homes and farms and work to go to countries where they have nothing and where they have been forced to live in refugee camps since 1948. There are tens of those camps across Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. I live across the highway to one of those refugee camps and if there were still day light I would have took a picture and posted it here so you could see what it looks like. They live in crammed, poorly built houses that don't have the most basic aspects for life. For political reasons, they aren't allowed to own any property or work in most jobs. So no it not exactly the same at all because when it comes to Pallestine there are millions of people living in inhuman conditions who still want their land and homes back.

EDIT: Here are a few pics I got from onlline:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z291/johnlknight/U834109.jpg

http://www.map-uk.org/files/442_burg_typical_camp_scene.jpg

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/34/RefugeeCamp.palestine-34.jpg

http://www.greenprophet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/refugee-camp-lebanon-al-jazeera-560x315.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/400-2/photos/1289996807-palestinian-hiphop-in-beiruts-refugee-camps_461942.jpg

First off, it was not literally millions. It was literally hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were expelled or fled. The event is actually incredibly common in history. (Pick a war, any war, and you will find refugees. The Syrian civil war already has over a million refugees for example, 2 million have fled from Iraq). The big difference is that for political reasons, countries that should have allowed Palestinians to assimilate, with the exception of Jordan, kept them in awful conditions and didn't allow them to hold even the most basic jobs or even build houses. That has never happened to any other population for so long a period of time. The plight of the Palestinians is critical and deserves attention, but pretending it is remotely unique in history is ridiculous. Almost every single country was created under similar circumstances (one population comes in, displaces another by force.) It was the same in Australia, all of North America, all of South America...well, even Europe but that was generally longer ago.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

First off, it was not literally millions. It was literally hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were expelled or fled.

Atm, there are just over half a million in Lebanon, and a few million in each of Syria and Jordan.

e event is actually incredibly common in history. (Pick a war, any war, and you will find refugees. The Syrian civil war already has over a million refugees for example, 2 million have fled from Iraq).

The difference is that people choose to leave because of wars and thus become refugees. In Palestine, those people were literally forced out of their homes so those houses could be demolished and replaced houses that were to be occupied by people that were 'imported' from Europe. I've never heard that happening elsewhere.

he big difference is that for political reasons, countries that should have allowed Palestinians to assimilate, with the exception of Jordan, kept them in awful conditions and didn't allow them to hold even the most basic jobs or even build houses.

I won't get into the complicated political reasons that would probably take several books to fully explain, but why should they have forgotten their land and homes and just moved on? That's just ridiculous to me. If someone goes and steals your car, would your reaction be: "Meh, let him have it, I'll just go and get another one"?

That has never happened to any other population for so long a period of time. The plight of the Palestinians is critical and deserves attention, but pretending it is remotely unique in history is ridiculous. Almost every single country was created under similar circumstances (one population comes in, displaces another by force.) It was the same in Australia, all of North America, all of South America...well, even Europe but that was generally longer ago.

The Palestinian case is special for several reasons:

1) Nothing similar has happened in modern history.

2) Never in history have so many people been kicked out of their countries to be replaced by another population

3) This happened with cover and advertisement of the powers in the world who are supposedly the protectors of morals and ethics and freedom in the world.

4) This was not by any means the typical "army conquers foreign country" scenario. For years after the first world war, Britain was rounding up the Jews in Europe and bringing them to Palestine till there were enough to replace the original inhabitants.