Politics & Stuff

[Vesper 30,234]

Trump COMPLETELY self-owns (Nero, (even though it never really happened), anyone????)

Can you say coronavirus fool???

Fiddling whilst Rome (USA) burns, lolol

What a fucking truly numpty piece of shit

he has to be the stupidest US president EVER (deffo the most sociopathic and traitorous)

you cannot even make this shite up!!!

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

I will keep this short and simple

there is zero chance that MFA would cost 70 to 90 trillion USD over the next ten years

that is literally DOUBLE what even hostile studies have shown

you got fed 100% BOGUS info, pure and simple

the current  for-profit system will cost at least 55 Trillion (and perhaps far more) over the next 10 years

if Sanders was going to literally inject 15 to 35 trillion usd MORE into the entire system, do you really think the greedy cunts would be whinging on?

hell no, they hate it because they no longer will be able to skim off tens of trillions in excess profits over that same 10 year period

 

You are still failing to see the premise of my argument, which is the actual validity of Bernie's projections. 

Again, there are countless statistical data from third party, unbiased economists and researchers that state Bernie's projections are insoluble. He would need even more revenue than he is proposing to fully offset those costs, which goes well beyond any figure close to 50 trillion. He was backed into a corner during the last debate when confronted by the other candidates. 

 I could very well say the same thing that you've been fed 100% bogus info by Bernie and his research/media campaign. This gets us no where if the premise can't be acknowledged. 

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

also, just because the monies are paid into the government and the government runs healthcare does not mean people would end up netting a higher cost out of pocket at all

yes, their taxes go up, BUT they no longer have to pay premiums, deductibles, crazy high fees, crazy high drug costs, fees, etc etc etc,

the average family of 4 would pay around 10,000 USD LESS on total outlays per annum and never again have to worry about a medical expense-induced bankruptcy

a single payer system uses brute force scales of economy pricing structures and expense controls to LOWER overall costs, just like every other advanced nation (whether they utilise single payer or some other universal healthcare model) does

 

According to CNN, only 30% of democrats preferred a national health plan for all Americans.  To make things into a bigger perspective, only 21% of all Americans say they prefer a single payer system whilst eliminating private insurance. According to CNN as well, 71% of American's on private health insurance plans like their plans.  Why?

Americans like having the option of having their health, dental, and vision insurance through their employer. 

Americans like having family physicians and the ability to choose doctors. 

Americans like having short waiting periods as opposed to other similar sized countries that implement a universal health care system. 

 

Like I said, the better approach to win the centrists and moderates is to propose a medicare for all act without eliminating private insurance. 

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

again, it is simple maths

cheers

 

So simple that economists with PhD's from around the country can't get it. 

Right, when Bernie loses, you can refer back to this post. 

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,234]

25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

You are still failing to see the premise of my argument, which is the actual validity of Bernie's projections. 

Again, there are countless statistical data from third party, unbiased economists and researchers that state Bernie's projections are insoluble. He would need even more revenue than he is proposing to fully offset those costs, which goes well beyond any figure close to 50 trillion. He was backed into a corner during the last debate when confronted by the other candidates. 

 I could very well say the same thing that you've been fed 100% bogus info by Bernie and his research/media campaign. This gets us no where if the premise can't be acknowledged. 

According to CNN, only 30% of democrats preferred a national health plan for all Americans.  To make things into a bigger perspective, only 21% of all Americans say they prefer a single payer system whilst eliminating private insurance. According to CNN as well, 71% of American's on private health insurance plans like their plans.  Why?

Americans like having the option of having their health, dental, and vision insurance through their employer. 

Americans like having family physicians and the ability to choose doctors. 

Americans like having short waiting periods as opposed to other similar sized countries that implement a universal health care system. 

 

Like I said, the better approach to win the centrists and moderates is to propose a medicare for all act without eliminating private insurance. 

So simple that economists with PhD's from around the country can't get it. 

Right, when Bernie loses, you can refer back to this post. 

 

 

 

you are  beyond disingenuous and cannot back up the pure bollocks you are pushing out

a lot of it of it yank Republican or conserva-Dummicrat talking points as well

If you actually think that single payer (or a hybrid) healthcare system run along the lines of numerous social democracies on the planet will cost 75 to 90 trillion USD over the next ten years then I strongly suggest you give up talking about any sort of  nation-state level fiduciary policy until you gain a proper education

I AM NOT JOKING

I do not care if I sound like a pure cunt

I will NOT be condescended down to, nor subjected to utter fucking dross

and what part of Bernie never had a chance and I think he is a one trick pony CRANK can you not wrap yer brain around ????? He is a fucking sheepdog for the so-called American left

IM AM NOT A FANGIRL OF EITHER AMERICAN POLITICAL PARTY

2 sides, same fucking coin

you are so submerged into standard corporate lane-setting that you cannot see the forest for the trees

done here

I am not wasting my time on your gaslighting bullshit

[Vesper 30,234]

I AM DONE  ON THIS PART OF THE CHATBOARD

IT IS RUINING MY EXPERIENCE HERE

and is a complete waste of my time

cheers

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

you are  beyond disingenuous and cannot back up the pure bollocks you are pushing out

a lot of it of it yank Republican or conserva-Dummicrat talking points as well

If you actually think that single payer (or a hybrid) healthcare system run along the lines of numerous social democracies on the planet will cost 75 to 90 trillion USD over the next ten years then I strongly suggest you give up talking about any sort of  nation-state level fiduciary policy until you gain a proper education

I AM NOT JOKING

I do not care if I sound like a pure cunt

I will NOT be condescended down to, nor subjected to utter fucking dross

and what part of Bernie never had a chance and I think he is a one trick pony CRANK can you not wrap yer brain around ????? He is a fucking sheepdog for the so-called American left

IM AM NOT A FANGIRL OF EITHER AMERICAN POLITICAL PARTY

2 sides, same fucking coin

you are so submerged into standard corporate lane-setting that you cannot see the forest for the trees

done here

I am not wasting my time on your gaslighting bullshit

 

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

I AM DONE  ON THIS PART OF THE CHATBOARD

IT IS RUINING MY EXPERIENCE HERE

and is a complete waste of my time

cheers

Oh give me a break Vesper. You can't have a sensible debate without insulting or getting emotional when someone counters your viewpoint! I provided you rational and factual counter arguments. 

Instead, you've insulted my counter arguments in every one of your posts, ridiculed my intelligence, even said you'd shut me down in regards to this topic, yet have the audacity to claim I have condescended you?  You are a shining example of progressive hostility, which highlights the irony when those say only the right incite hate. 

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Don't see the point of getting that worked up about the USA politics which is a billionaire club, especially when most don't live there and its all beyond our control anyway. Fuck 'em.

 

[Fernando 6,585]

12 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

 

Oh give me a break Vesper. You can't have a sensible debate without insulting or getting emotional when someone counters your viewpoint! I provided you rational and factual counter arguments. 

Instead, you've insulted my counter arguments in every one of your posts, ridiculed my intelligence, even said you'd shut me down in regards to this topic, yet have the audacity to claim I have condescended you?  You are a shining example of progressive hostility, which highlights the irony when those say only the right incite hate. 

 

 

And that is the irony. 

Calling other people bigots, racist, close minded, but when they don't agree with your view you get curse at call names and who knows what. Not very inclusive and open minded....

So I'm not going down that road, I rather follow what the bible says. Bless those that insult you and pray for those. 

That God may bless them and be merciful by giving them health and long life so that eventually they can see how good god was with them. 

[Fernando 6,585]

New York Post : Coronavirus conference canceled in New York because of coronavirus.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-conference-canceled-in-new-york-because-of-coronavirus/

 

Makes sense. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,820]

I see no reason to argue the U.S. political landscape. In 2016 we were presented with two of the worst politicians to ever run for President. You would think given the choices Gary Johnson or another 3rd party candidate would have done better. Only earning 3% of the vote. It requires unbelievable money to be a viable Presidential candidate. Bernie is and always has been all talk and no delivery throughout his entire political career. He captivates the imagination of dreamers, but has never delivered on anything. He rarely has a realistic platform and most of what he proposes, there is no plan and he cannot give specifics because they do not exist. 

[Atomiswave 6,118]

I find it funny you folks are up in arms because of these so called high figures......you are essentially arguing about criminals, they are all same shit different face. The agenda and orders come from higher ups, these foosl that we see are nothing but poppets.

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Obscene that just 3 US citizens have the same wealth as 175 million  of their fellow citizens added together.

Obscene that the US has killed 30 million people in other countries since WW2 

[Atomiswave 6,118]

32 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Obscene that just 3 US citizens have the same wealth as 175 million  of their fellow citizens added together.

Obscene that the US has killed 30 million people in other countries since WW2 

US is a shit hole, but a great tool to use. Look at all the shit the have done, all the secret coups and whatnot......yet nothing is done or said about it.

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

2 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

US is a shit hole, but a great tool to use. Look at all the shit the have done, all the secret coups and whatnot......yet nothing is done or said about it.

Proxy wars, backing right wing dictators, and conservative estimates are that for every man woman or child killed, there are at least ten wounded or maimed

[ZAPHOD2319 4,820]

Lol at Shit hole. I have lived and traveled all over the world. The US is a pretty nice place to live.

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

I have travelled in US. Great people. beautiful landscapes. Problem is the power is in the hands of a few billionaires whose foreign policy is greedy and murderous.

[cosmicway 1,333]

My method of stopping cv:

- Martial law is declared across Europe.
- People are allowed to leave their homes escorted by military or police to do their necessary shopping, or in case of emergency go to the doctor.

If this is done early and if we show discipline, things will develop more or less as follows:

There will be some more cases of CV with people who have already contracted it and it is now in the asymptomatic stage.
Also the people who live together (spouses-parents-children) will be exposed, unavoidably.
But the virrus will have fewer and fewer chances to spread and in about one month's time it will die and the emergency measures can be relaxed.

But if we show complacency the epidemic (now pandemic) may grow exponentially.
The decision in the UK to hold football matches with spectators was foolish and very dangerous.

 

[Fernando 6,585]

Yeah things are kicking into high gear now that who officially declare a pandemic. 

Trump stop all flights from Europe. 

I guess it's a matter of time when Europe suspend the leagues for the season. 

[manpe 10,861]

And to think the Chinese could have easily stopped this virus shit had they decided to act on warnings instead of covering up and hoping it goes away. 

[NikkiCFC 8,341]

38 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yeah things are kicking into high gear now that who officially declare a pandemic. 

Trump stop all flights from Europe. 

I guess it's a matter of time when Europe suspend the leagues for the season. 

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/nba-suspends-season-coronavirus-2020-1203531530/

 

NBA Suspends Season Due to Coronavirus Pandemic

NBA just did it 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Meanwhile the rich jet off to their protective bunkers...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/disease-dodging-worried-wealthy-jet-off-to-disaster-bunkers