The European Competitions Thread

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5 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Klopp did said something interesting, UEFA and FIFA are also about money. 

They are jamming the clubs with more fixtures, and expanding the Club world cup for more games because of money. 

The funny thing about this is, the revamped Champions League isn't any better than the Super League proposal. It's very similar or if not, worse. It practically also looks to protect the interest of the big clubs.

And Micah Richards was just saying on BBC Live earlier, when it comes to racism, UEFA usually dilly-dally over it but when it comes to this, when it comes to money, there's suddenly a huge uproar and UEFA want firm action ASAP. 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don't have any ideas right now but since these owners just went ahead and agreed to this, how much do you think they really care about getting kicked out this season?

What I just DO NOT agree is UEFA trying to punish those guilty by punishing through those that aren't guilty at all. It's just not fucking fair!

But these players are part of these clubs owned by these owners. You cannot just punish the owners, it maybe isn’t fair on players or fans but its half a message if they say only fined the clubs. I mean, cmon they are all getting €3.5 billion between them for joining this super league and are owned by multi billionaire owners/organisations who have went against their initial promise of developing and restructuring the CL. A fine will be nothing and if they were to make it more severe like the €60 billion figure UEFA are seeming against them which has been mentioned by various outlets, it will go to court and be knocked down to a lesser fee thus doing nothing again. Fines alone are not going to do anything. Will have the same effect of UEFA fining clubs when they are involved with racist incidents, it does nothing. They need to be stern. 

Players aren’t directly guilty but kicking them out then means clubs have to explain themselves/deal with the coaches or players who weren’t consulted or probably don’t support it, which they should do. This decisions made did not take their work into account or what it could do. These 12 clubs deserve everything they get and if they kick us, City and Real out, which for the good of football I hope they do, then these greedy owners are the ones who will have millions of questions to answers from fans and players alike. 

You said about fairness. Is it fair these clubs want to break up 3 huge domestic leagues? Which will have huge effects on clubs through their football pyramids in several countries? In a pandemic when clubs are going bust? Nothing is fair in this. But UEFA, FIFA, footballing associations for Spain, England and Italy, they have to be strong. If they kick us out nobody can complain. It will have deservedly been brought on by the owners. 

4 minutes ago, chippy said:

Nothing wrong in making a massive U-turn when you realise you've made such a bad/wrong call on something.  

No but they jumped into it out of fear of being left behind despite having initial concerns of it. Its embarrassing and backtracking wont improve their public image or how fans feel about it. If fans were ok with it, they would go ahead with it 100%, despite it still being incredibly wrong. They should have known but they didnt. Theres no excuses for everyone involved in the decision making progress and they should be held accountable for their actions, Roman included. 

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Its like something Trump has dreamed up

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6 minutes ago, chippy said:

Nothing wrong in making a massive U-turn when you realise you've made such a bad/wrong call on something.  

Yup, never too late to admit your made a bad move

5 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Klopp did said something interesting, UEFA and FIFA are also about money. 

They are jamming the clubs with more fixtures, and expanding the Club world cup for more games because of money. 

 

For sure, lets have it right yeah, Uefa and fifa are proven corrupt, money hungry entity. Also why they have threatened the players etc.

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Someone with legal expertise will know better but can UEFA even legally kick out the 5 clubs now when that Super League hasn't even happened? Hasn't it all just been proposal right now? No Super League matches have even taken place yet, the players haven't played one such game yet and heck, I don't even think the players have signed any contract related to the Super League. 

Yes they can but if we take them to court they will 100% lose

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8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

But these players are part of these clubs owned by these owners. You cannot just punish the owners, it maybe isn’t fair on players or fans but its half a message if they say only fined the clubs. I mean, cmon they are all getting €3.5 billion between them for joining this super league and are owned by multi billionaire owners/organisations who have went against their initial promise of developing and restructuring the CL. A fine will be nothing and if they were to make it more severe like the €60 billion figure UEFA are seeming against them which has been mentioned by various outlets, it will go to court and be knocked down to a lesser fee thus doing nothing again. Fines alone are not going to do anything. Will have the same effect of UEFA fining clubs when they are involved with racist incidents, it does nothing. They need to be stern. 

Players aren’t directly guilty but kicking them out then means clubs have to explain themselves/deal with the coaches or players who weren’t consulted or probably don’t support it, which they should do. This decisions made did not take their work into account or what it could do. These 12 clubs deserve everything they get and if they kick us, City and Real out, which for the good of football I hope they do, then these greedy owners are the ones who will have millions of questions to answers from fans and players alike. 

You said about fairness. Is it fair these clubs want to break up 3 huge domestic leagues? Which will have huge effects on clubs through their football pyramids in several countries? In a pandemic when clubs are going bust? Nothing is fair in this. But UEFA, FIFA, footballing associations for Spain, England and Italy, they have to be strong. If they kick us out nobody can complain. It will have deservedly been brought on by the owners. 

The Super League isn't about fairness. That's bloody obvious. But punishing the owners through innocent parties like the players, coaching staff etc is not fucking fair. Yes, players are part of those clubs but they did not sign up for this when they signed their contract however long ago and I'm god damn sure they haven't signed any amended contract either.

Do you really think the owners will have to care about explaining to the players, coaching staff? Yeah, they will just do their BS talking bla bla bla and then what we will have is a huge group of unhappy individuals. 

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10 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Its like something Trump has dreamed up

It's going to be Yuuuge, on the best teams, and the best players, playing in only the best stadiums.

 

Trump owned a USFL team.

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[Fernando 6,585]

Another interesting point that was brought up from someone of the Premier league, is that these big 6 are not breaking away from the PL but from uefa, the Cl. That is their problem and not PL.

So PL would be silly to do something against the big 6. If anything the rest of the clubs can go to CL and play there. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Fernando

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I guess that clickbait with all possible BS about SL and UEFA only today has generated more revenue, than actual playing football in CL match, lol

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1 minute ago, Fernando said:

Another interesting point that was brought up from someone of the Premier league, is that these big 6 are not breaking away from the PL but from uefa, the Cl. That is their problem and not PL.

So PL would be silly to do something against the big 6. If anything the rest of the clubs can go to CL and play there. 

But I dont get what the teams would play for. The title and that's it. Finish 4th..would mean nothing. Finish outside top 4..means nothing. Be pointless for us to be in it still.

Unless understanding it wrong...

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

The Super League isn't about fairness. That's bloody obvious. But punishing the owners through innocent parties like the players, coaching staff etc is not fucking fair. Yes, players are part of those clubs but they did not sign up for this when they signed their contract however long ago and I'm god damn sure they haven't signed any amended contract either.

Do you really think the owners will have to care about explaining to the players, coaching staff? Yeah, they will just do their BS talking bla bla bla and then what we will have is a huge group of unhappy individuals. 

Well again though, is it fair that clubs like West Ham, Leicester City, Wolfsburg, Eintracht Frankfurt, Atalanta, could end up playing in a CL that is depleted due to these 12 clubs leaving? Or even worse if it replaced the CL completely never be able to get in to it based on merit? Its not just about 12 clubs. Its about the countless others who will also get affected by this. 

If we don’t back track and they kick us, City and Real out we really cannot complain. They said they would do these things so if they do after we’ve been warned I don’t know what your expecting. Regardless of it ifs fair on managers or players or not, they’ve gave their warning alongside the FA and then throw in the fans views on it, that should of been enough for the clubs. Ultimately these owners should have thought about it before agreeing to join it in the first place and even more so now after they’ve warned about it.I hope they do to send a message. I really do. Don’t want to see us kicked out obviously but in terms of maintaining the integrity of the sport it is absolutely necessarily they set extreme examples. I mean what do you think UEFA should let us off because it wasn’t decided by the manager and players? Really? What sort of example is that going to set? We are talking about 12 clubs forming a super league, not a wee incident or situation. This is going to change football forever and if FIFA, UEFA, the FAs aren’t strong they will become even more irrelevant in the future. 

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4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Another interesting point that was brought up from someone of the Premier league, is that these big 6 are not breaking away from the PL but from uefa, the Cl. That is their problem and not PL.

So PL would be silly to do something against the big 6. If anything the rest of the clubs can go to CL and play there. 

It's also gotta do with the fact those 12 clubs will pocket way more money in the Super League than in the Champions League. Isn't the financial gap between the big sides and the rest already big? How big do they really want more? And this is an even bigger issue in Spain because of the TV distribution between the 20 clubs. IIRC, Real Madrid and Barcelona get like 2/3s of it. 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well again though, is it fair that clubs like West Ham, Leicester City, Wolfsburg, Eintracht Frankfurt, Atalanta, could end up playing in a CL that is depleted due to these 12 clubs leaving? Or even worse if it replaced the CL completely never be able to get in to it based on merit? Its not just about 12 clubs. Its about the countless others who will also get affected by this. 

If we don’t back track and they kick us, City and Real out we really cannot complain. They said they would do these things so if they do after we’ve been warned I don’t know what your expecting. Regardless of it ifs fair on managers or players or not, they’ve gave their warning alongside the FA and then throw in the fans views on it, that should of been enough for the clubs. Ultimately these owners should have thought about it before agreeing to join it in the first place and even more so now after they’ve warned about it.I hope they do to send a message. I really do. Don’t want to see us kicked out obviously but in terms of maintaining the integrity of the sport it is absolutely necessarily they set extreme examples. I mean what do you think UEFA should let us off because it wasn’t decided by the manager and players? Really? What sort of example is that going to set? We are talking about 12 clubs forming a super league, not a wee incident or situation. This is going to change football forever and if FIFA, UEFA, the FAs aren’t strong they will become even more irrelevant in the future. 

But you can't talk about fairness and then being okay with UEFA punishing innocent parties to get to the owners. Yes, the club may have been warned of the consequences but again, none of the players and coaching staff were involved in forming this Super League. It's the owners. 

How can you also talk about integrity if the 5 clubs get kicked out and clubs that have been eliminated are suddenly brought back into the competition? There's basically no integrity left in the competition if that happens.

At worst, you kick those 12 clubs out of future Champions League competitions but this remaining season, it's just fucking nonsense.

And are we even sure that it's about fairness, integrity or whatever you want to call it with UEFA? It seems they're super concerned because someone else has created a competition that rivals them and may potentially eat away at their money. They know if those 12 clubs really leave for the Super League, then the Champions League will eventually lose its appeal because no one is gonna enjoy seeing Bayern or PSG win it every season (fans will also get bored of seeing big clubs play each other 100 times per season in the Super League but that's also another issue).

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i was so ready to enjoy our semifinal against real

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15 minutes ago, Jason said:

But you can't talk about fairness and then being okay with UEFA punishing innocent parties to get to the owners. Yes, the club may have been warned of the consequences but again, none of the players and coaching staff were involved in forming this Super League. It's the owners. 

How can you also talk about integrity if the 5 clubs get kicked out and clubs that have been eliminated are suddenly brought back into the competition? There's basically no integrity left in the competition if that happens.

At worst, you kick those 12 clubs out of future Champions League competitions but this remaining season, it's just fucking nonsense.

And are we even sure that it's about fairness, integrity or whatever you want to call it with UEFA? It seems they're super concerned because someone else has created a competition that rivals them and may potentially eat away at their money. They know if those 12 clubs really leave for the Super League, then the Champions League will eventually lose its appeal because no one is gonna enjoy seeing Bayern or PSG win it every season (fans will also get bored of seeing big clubs play each other 100 times per season in the Super League but that's also another issue).

It may not be fair for players/managers or maybe doesn’t seem to show any integrity or whatever but the clubs actions are worthy of these sanctions if you like it or not. Theres no debate. If we weren’t involved I think you’d be less inclined to disagree. We have to look at this impartially. 

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They're just chasing their tail with this never ending lusr for more and more money which just ends up being blown on ridiculous transfer fees and obscene wages. 

 

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30 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's also gotta do with the fact those 12 clubs will pocket way more money in the Super League than in the Champions League. Isn't the financial gap between the big sides and the rest already big? How big do they really want more? And this is an even bigger issue in Spain because of the TV distribution between the 20 clubs. IIRC, Real Madrid and Barcelona get like 2/3s of it. 

More money, people are never satisfied. 

But the problem is that how much Chelsea will get compare to Real Madrid and such? 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

It may not be fair for players/managers or maybe doesn’t seem to show any integrity or whatever but the clubs actions are worthy of these sanctions if you like it or not. Theres no debate. If we weren’t involved I think you’d be less inclined to disagree. We have to look at this impartially. 

If we weren't involved, I probably wouldn't care to talk about it BUT it still wouldn't have changed the fact that it wouldn't be fair on the players and coaching staff of the clubs involved. Whether it's ours or Real Madrid's or Man City's, they didn't sign up for this. They shouldn't have to suffer the punishment because of the greed of 3 owners here.

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35 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

But I dont get what the teams would play for. The title and that's it. Finish 4th..would mean nothing. Finish outside top 4..means nothing. Be pointless for us to be in it still.

Unless understanding it wrong...

No, you're not understanding it wrong.

You'll get a few of the "big 6" already well out of the title race by Xmas, so they will indeed have nothing to play for. You'll have half a seasons worth of games that are even more flat than what we've seen this season.

 

 

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What will also be interesting is the meeting between the other 14 Premier League clubs tomorrow.

Steve Parish, who is the Crystal Palace chairman, basically admitted that the Premier League need the Big 6 on Sky Sports earlier and said they hope they can continue to include those 6 in the competition.