🇧🇪 Kevin de Bruyne

[bouletje 82]

I don't really understand how he is going to get better when he's not going to get game time....

KDB was with Mourinho way before Oscar, Mata, Willian, Schurrle (?) and they are all ahead of him...

Spoken as a chelsea fan, he doesn't seem to be able to perform here well and i doubt a loan will change anything about that. can't really think of a reason why he doesn't seem to fit in, preseason he was the one standing out while many others failed to do that, maybe it's the rather high level of defending in the PL that he can't handle, he was even having trouble to get pass a 3rd division defender, but on the other hand so was Willian so that isn't really a reference. I just can't see what the problem is with Kevin.

Then my opinion as a supporter of the belgian national team, he's one of the best we have in the attacking part, 50% of all qualifying goals went through him, if he's getting out of form that would be a bad thing there, he needs playing time.

My conclusion: we have an overload of AM that can be played around on those three spots, even considering injuries, we can still have 2 of them out and fill those with one spare player on the bench. (and that probably would be kevin as it stands now)

One option would be to loan him out for half a year to a mid table PL team(if we can find one after that awful performance on tuesday) and see what he can bring. Then, next season it can be decided what happens with him because this season he'll barely collect minutes on the pitch and if he does it probably won't be any good.

He's just the kind of player that needs minutes and the coach's trust, the way i've seen him play in the national team is that he gets more confident every minute into the game, passes with a little more risk over time and then after 30 minutes he's starting to give those key passes that lead to goals(has done it in our first PL game the same way). He won't be showing his potential being out of form and when he's being thrown in for that last 10 minutes.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Spoken as a chelsea fan, he doesn't seem to be able to perform here well and i doubt a loan will change anything about that. can't really think of a reason why he doesn't seem to fit in, preseason he was the one standing out while many others failed to do that, maybe it's the rather high level of defending in the PL that he can't handle, he was even having trouble to get pass a 3rd division defender, but on the other hand so was Willian so that isn't really a reference. I just can't see what the problem is with Kevin.

Then my opinion as a supporter of the belgian national team, he's one of the best we have in the attacking part, 50% of all qualifying goals went through him, if he's getting out of form that would be a bad thing there, he needs playing time.

My conclusion: we have an overload of AM that can be played around on those three spots, even considering injuries, we can still have 2 of them out and fill those with one spare player on the bench. (and that probably would be kevin as it stands now)

One option would be to loan him out for half a year to a mid table PL team(if we can find one after that awful performance on tuesday) and see what he can bring. Then, next season it can be decided what happens with him because this season he'll barely collect minutes on the pitch and if he does it probably won't be any good.

He's just the kind of player that needs minutes and the coach's trust, the way i've seen him play in the national team is that he gets more confident every minute into the game, passes with a little more risk over time and then after 30 minutes he's starting to give those key passes that lead to goals(has done it in our first PL game the same way). He won't be showing his potential being out of form and when he's being thrown in for that last 10 minutes.

Everyone needs a run of games to gain form, not just KDB. It's still early in the season, fatigue will kick in at some point, injuries happen, he'll get his chances. He needs to have the mindset to train well and produce when he gets a chance.

[Korea 734]

This was always going to be a problem when all your funds are directed to attacking mids/wingers and you have a manager that play defensively.

[Stingray 9,441]

Level headed interview with the lad in The Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kevin-de-bruyne-interview-ill-fight-for-chance-at-chelsea-8845258.html

Some quotes:

He began pre-season strongly, picked up an injury, returned to start against Hull City on the first day of the season and then Manchester United at Old Trafford. De Bruyne himself would concede that the Swindon game was his worst yet.

Its maybe been up and down, he says. In the last four years even though I have had to fight for my spot, I managed it at Genk and at Bremen.

At both clubs I fought for it and then I became more important. Here it is more difficult. It is the usual thing when you have big players and a big squad. Whoever is on the bench always says he isnt playing enough. I work hard and try to do my best. And I try to show on the pitch, even when I only get five minutes, that I can do something.

I am a fighter. I learned it at Genk in my first year when we were fighting against going down. Also at Bremen last year it was very difficult. We had to fight more often than not. I will fight again to earn my place.

In Germany, he was in demand. Borussia Dortmund wanted to sign him, and Bayer Leverkusen too. There were some teams interested in buying me but the manager [Mourinho] said he wanted me to stay. If he wants me to stay I cannot say anything. I just have to show everybody here that I can play football and I can help the team.

He points out that he has already played around 150 league games in three European top-flight divisions. It is the kind of top-level experience, I venture, that his English peers struggle to accumulate.

Go for it Kev.

[Gorando 184]

I didnt know he was actually voted best young player in the bundesliga

Im sure Kevin will resurface one day. Gonna be a worldclass player in the future. The first few months at a top team are really about adapting yourself to it... and maybe having a manager playing a different style than he's used to wont help on the short term. But Kevin is so versatile and talented he can become a leading player anywhere on the pitch.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Was just coming here to post that article that Tom posted above. Great, great article. Really must read!

[LukakutoStamford 779]

He's being wasted here and needs at least a loan and possibly a transfer. Ridiculous that he's Belgium's top playmaker for the NT, and he can't make the bench for Chelsea.

The Belgium NT is a far better team talent wise than Chelsea.

It's looking like the Mourinho hire was a mistake.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

He's being wasted here and needs at least a loan and possibly a transfer. Ridiculous that he's Belgium's top playmaker for the NT, and he can't make the bench for Chelsea.

The Belgium NT is a far better team talent wise than Chelsea.

It's looking like the Mourinho hire was a mistake.

Because he didn't give KBD as much game time, as Belgians want? Ridiculous. It's a Chelsea F.C., not a Belgium N.T.

I would like to see Kevin play more, but it's unfair to say, that Mourinho didn't give him chance to prove himself.

He must do, what Mata did. To be patient, wait for chance and when he get his chance, grab it with both hands.

[lucio 5,418]

He's being wasted here and needs at least a loan and possibly a transfer. Ridiculous that he's Belgium's top playmaker for the NT, and he can't make the bench for Chelsea.

The Belgium NT is a far better team talent wise than Chelsea.

It's looking like the Mourinho hire was a mistake.

would of helped if he impressed vs swindon but he blew it

[Sidzeret 2,257]

For all i know, KDB is getting his shot at the Belgium NT taking a serious blow.

If Jose switches to 4-3-3 with

........................CDM...........

Rami..................................Oscar/KdB will get him some gametime.

Otherwise, he's only gonna be playing second fiddle here.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Because he didn't give KBD as much game time, as Belgians want? Ridiculous. It's a Chelsea F.C., not a Belgium N.T.

I would like to see Kevin play more, but it's unfair to say, that Mourinho didn't give him chance to prove himself.

He must do, what Mata did. To be patient, wait for chance and when he get his chance, grab it with both hands.

It has not to do with how much time I want. The product on the field for Chelsea has been uninspired and poor for the most part.

Since KDB's last start v. Man United

Chelsea has had 6 games

3 PL games

v. Everton (on the bench)

v. Fulham (6 minutes as a sub)

v. Spurs (Not even on bench)

1 Supercup match v. Bayern (Not even on bench)

1 champions league match

v. FC Basel (on the bench)

1 League cup match v. Swindon (77 minutes)

So he's played 83 minutes out of Chelsea's last 540+ and his only significant minutes came against Swindon.

How any one can showcase themselves when they are plaing less than a full game out of 6 is beyond me.

If Mourinho had been honest he should have loaned KDB to a side that would use him. One only has to look at the Lukaku situation to see how player decisions have been badly mishandled this season.

I still can't wrap my head around the William acquisition especially given the desparate need for pivot options.

It's not like the right wing/AM options have been scintilating either during that time, and Chelsea's crossing has been some of the worst I've seen this year in the PL.

I don't care that much who plays but Chelsea is going to be a poison pill for future Belgian players if it continues with this nonsense with De Bruyne and Lukaku.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

lukakutostamford- De Bruyne is Chelsea's #6 attacking midfielder. I agree with you that the buying of Willian makes no sense at all, but as soon as that happened, De Bruyne simply was never going to get much playing time. You are vastly overrating the importance De Bruyne's national team success. He's played about what, 5, 6, 7 meaningful matches with Belgium? His performance at Bremen is what got him on the team, not one national team game every couple of months where he has free reign. Chelsea don't care about the Belgian national team, we have to make decisions that are best for us. That said, I agree with you that De Bruyne should have either been loaned out or given enough time to at least improve his game, but Chelsea just have too much depth.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

It has not to do with how much time I want. The product on the field for Chelsea has been uninspired and poor for the most part.

Since KDB's last start v. Man United

Chelsea has had 6 games

3 PL games

v. Everton (on the bench)

v. Fulham (6 minutes as a sub)

v. Spurs (Not even on bench)

1 Supercup match v. Bayern (Not even on bench)

1 champions league match

v. FC Basel (on the bench)

1 League cup match v. Swindon (77 minutes)

So he's played 83 minutes out of Chelsea's last 540+ and his only significant minutes came against Swindon.

How any one can showcase themselves when they are plaing less than a full game out of 6 is beyond me.

If Mourinho had been honest he should have loaned KDB to a side that would use him. One only has to look at the Lukaku situation to see how player decisions have been badly mishandled this season.

I still can't wrap my head around the William acquisition especially given the desparate need for pivot options.

It's not like the right wing/AM options have been scintilating either during that time, and Chelsea's crossing has been some of the worst I've seen this year in the PL.

I don't care that much who plays but Chelsea is going to be a poison pill for future Belgian players if it continues with this nonsense with De Bruyne and Lukaku.

I can.

Abramovich's mate said to him "I'm selling all my expensive players at Anzhi because I'm sick of them. Spurs want Willian." Roman replies "Willian eh? How much? 10m? 20m? 30m? Ok heres 30m, tell his agent Jose wants him, tell him he will play in the Champions League, tell him he will play despite the fact we have 5 other attacking midfielders, Andre never done well here so lets steal his ideal signing."

Its just Abramovich flashing the cash pointlessly, showing Chelsea can sign whoever they want for however much and to get one up on Spurs. £30m that could have been used to try and tempt Ilkay Gundogan or Modric or someone else who is similar and needed much more. Ultimately I think Jose thinking Spurs are a title contender has a lot to do with it too but I bet this move was probably one Abramovich wanted more than Jose.

Still on De Bruyne, unlike at Genk, Bremen and with Belgium he isn't the best right winger/attacking midfielder we have. He needs to wait and fight like he said in that interview. When he gets the chance he has to do better than how we done against Swindon but its hard to build up momentum playing once every now and then which is why he has to impress when he gets a chance to stay in the team.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

lukakutostamford- De Bruyne is Chelsea's #6 attacking midfielder. I agree with you that the buying of Willian makes no sense at all, but as soon as that happened, De Bruyne simply was never going to get much playing time. You are vastly overrating the importance De Bruyne's national team success. He's played about what, 5, 6, 7 meaningful matches with Belgium? His performance at Bremen is what got him on the team, not one national team game every couple of months where he has free reign. Chelsea don't care about the Belgian national team, we have to make decisions that are best for us. That said, I agree with you that De Bruyne should have either been loaned out or given enough time to at least improve his game, but Chelsea just have too much depth.

I agree with everything you said. Still, I think Chelsea is wasting his talent and he should leave as soon as he can. De Bruyne and Lukaku are both (young) players who need confidence. If you give them regular playing time they'll make mistakes but they'll learn and get better. if they can't get that at Chelsea, sell them and only play 40 million players like Hazard who are already established. Seriously, practically the entire team has been shit since the start of the season. Who really has played well? it's a short list.

I, obviously, do care for the Belgian team, which, at full strength, could probably compete easily with any of the premier league teams. Either use them or let them go. Don't ruin my only chance to celebrate a world cup.

In the long run, the only Belgian who'll keep playing for Chelsea will be Eden ime.

[5354 204]

IMO KDB is more direct and i feel he is the one that gives the team something different

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Just needs to take his chance just like mata did. I trust him, he has a strong mentality

[Pizy 18,903]

Daily Mail say that he's being sent to train with the u21's for a bit and won't be involved at all midweek.

Pretty fucked up. Yes, he was pretty awful against Swindon but he hasn't even really been given a chance in the league. After the preseason and opening game against Hull I thought he'd be a key player and Jose favorite.

Still think he's better than Schurrle.

[Kinol 337]

This is all just part of the way mourinho coaches players to get the max out of them. He did it with Mata and he did it with Torres in a, what seems to be, a successful way. He also did it with benzema. He puts lots of pressure on the players, which I think is right as they are professionals. Only the ones who got the right mentalaty will make it.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

This is all just part of the way mourinho coaches players to get the max out of them. He did it with Mata and he did it with Torres in a, what seems to be, a successful way. He also did it with benzema. He puts lots of pressure on the players, which I think is right as they are professionals. Only the ones who got the right mentalaty will make it.

I find this "Mourinho got the best out of Mata" narrative baffling. He had one assist on a free kick and played what was a pretty normal game for him. Hard to give Mourinho credit for an excellent player playing very well. I don't see the De Bruyne thing as Mourinho trying to light a fire or anything. I see it as a player who is our #6 attacking midfielder with no real role on the club not getting playing time. Where does De Bruyne fit with Chelsea? He's third choice at every single attacking midfield position.

De Bruyne is similar to Mata in that he needs a free role to operate to be at his best except a) he's not as good as Mata He's not as good defensively as Mata as crazy as that sounds because Mata is bad C) He doesn't drop deep like Mata does. You look at his average position for Bremen and he played almost as a striker, more forward than any of our midfielders get regularly, for the Belgian national team the he actually averaged being more forward than any other player on the squad in at least their last 3 matches. His average position is further forward than the strikers which is crazy. Either way, that's not the sort of player who is going to fit into a Mourinho team easily. Bremen was a very good loan for him as it allowed to show his ability as a playmaker but he was never going to get the job at Chelsea based on a loan spell and un-seat Oscar and Mata. A loan to a good club where he has to play as a complimentary player, where he has to play on the wing or is their #3 or #4 option to create but have been very beneficial IMO and would allow De Bruyne to round out his game. Sitting on the bench or not even on the bench is not.

[replika83 14]

He's being wasted here and needs at least a loan and possibly a transfer. Ridiculous that he's Belgium's top playmaker for the NT, and he can't make the bench for Chelsea.

The Belgium NT is a far better team talent wise than Chelsea.

It's looking like the Mourinho hire was a mistake.

As a fellow Belgian, I understand you fanboyism, as it's since long that we have some topplayers in Europe. But you got to realise that for every non-belgian fan KDB (or Lukaku for that matter) is just a soccerplayer like the next one. He got his chance and didn't take it. Too bad for him, better luck next time.

Mourinho's hired to make Chelsea win and get trophies, with his best team by his opinion. KDB just doens't look ready yet to play at Chelsea.