🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[The Skipper 20,609]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Pochettino's first season he conceded one less goal than us last season. Also the second season they didn't win in their first 5 games (which included cocking up a 2 goal lead to Stoke at home) and narrowly won their 6th due to a late winner vs Sunderland.

And on this occasion, he didn't have a previous blueprint of success which according to some is the be all and end all when a manager is struggling a bit. 

My problem with Frank is that we're still making the same mistakes as last season, there's no improvement. 

Also, when you spend £230m, you're going to have more pressure and scrutiny. We should be criticising Lampard and how he sets his team up, the decisions he makes. Pochettino didn't spend this that's why it's different situations you're comparing. Chelsea also aren't Tottenham. 

[Tomo 21,751]

30 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

We would never do that, Griezzman was rathger good under him. Simeone could def work here, his tactics and organiation well needed. But Yeah cant see it happening. If we dont improve come december he is gone our FL, its a race for us and udt for Poch imo.

Greizman was an anomaly, pretty much every flair player that's played under Simeone regressed to horrendous levels (Lemar, Correa,Felix, Gelson, Carrasco).

Say what you want about Lampard's overall management but he's already above Simeone on that (developing attacking players) regard through Pulisic alone.

[Henrique 9,133]

I've never felt as resigned after a game as I'm right now. When Southampton equalized I wasn't even mad or sad, since it was something that became typical in recent times, and I don't see anything changing in future. The same way I'm just resigned when I go to twitter official account before every game just to realize Mason Mount is starting another game, while the english press keeps acting as he was the real deal.

People will look at Kepa to find scapegoats, the true is the performance today was dreadful even when the team was winning. Mount and Pulisic both playing out of position were completely useless. The worst part: we all know the did that to fit Mount on the team, it seems Lampard thinks he as other duties other than making the best for Chelsea, I'm afraid he is also concerned about developing players for NT.

I had high hopes for this season and I also thought the criticism towards Lampard in the first games this season were unfair, but what I saw today was just sad, I've never seen a worse performance in years. Lampard's team is lazy, and it's lazy since last season, it lacks energy, it lacks pace, the players seems to be stuck in training session mode.  Lampard can't even make proper changes during the game. Lets get fo facts: in last 5 minutes + injury time the team was playing with 5 defenders (including TWO right backs) against Southampton, and somehow they managed to concede a 3rd goal and spent the last 3 minutes watching Southampton exchanging passes in our own defensive field and Saints even created 2 chances to win the game in the space of 2 minutes. 

Last season when I had to read the press praise the team after defeats (Liverpool beats "impressive" Chelsea) I knew something was wrong, if you are getting praised after losing a game it means you are not a top dog anymore, specially in that case the press were more or less saying (hey, Chelsea didn't get smashed by Liverpool, and they even scored a goal!).

Its also not only about "defence", as I said before the team lacks energy and desire to win, in the game today 3 goals game after individual talent as the team barely created any chances. Of course the english tv direction will focus on Kepa to keep the narrative that Lampard is being let down by individual errors. While thats true at some degree, this doesn't change the fact that the teams biggest problems lies somewhere else.
 

[killer1257 3,282]

My problem with Frank is that we're still making the same mistakes as last season, there's no improvement. 
Also, when you spend £230m, you're going to have more pressure and scrutiny. We should be criticising Lampard and how he sets his team up, the decisions he makes. Pochettino didn't spend this that's why it's different situations you're comparing. Chelsea also aren't Tottenham. 

Of course we will make the same mistakes when the same GK plays lol.

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[Tomo 21,751]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

My problem with Frank is that we're still making the same mistakes as last season, there's no improvement. 

Also, when you spend £230m, you're going to have more pressure and scrutiny. We should be criticising Lampard and how he sets his team up, the decisions he makes. Pochettino didn't spend this that's why it's different situations you're comparing. Chelsea also aren't Tottenham. 

I don't disagree i'm more arguing the narrative that Pochettino's Spurs success was a clear obvious thing from the get go, it wasn't.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

At least Lampard does not pin it to individual errors this time only but concedes that we failed to control the game, invited too much pressure and gave the ball away too often.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Coaching issue definitely 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Coaching issue definitely 

Imagine my shock...

[killer1257 3,282]

Coaching issue definitely 

Both are not true DMs like for instance Makelele was.

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[Alabama 1,992]

Just now, killer1257 said:

Both are not true DMs like for instance Makelele was.

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I dont know why people find it hard to comprehend...says it all why were after Rice all summer through though I dont rate him at all...

[killer1257 3,282]

I dont know why people find it hard to comprehend...says it all why were after Rice all summer through though I dont rate him at all...

I know. Rice made sense for several reasons, even though I also think he is not worth more than 50 million Euros.
Jorgi and Kante double pivot is also not going to work. Sadly, we do not have a no. 6 in our youth that could play that role either.

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[kellzfresh 7,229]

1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Both are not true DMs like for instance Makelele was.

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Lampard has conceded 63 goals in about 43 premier league games with chelsea. That is an absolute disaster. 

Even at Derby the defending was this bad, but we thought his defenders there were poor, that he needed better players. As you can see, with better players in Chelsea, he still flops in defence.

Southampton had more shots, created more chances and dominated us from the 35th minute. It's unacceptable, either he lays out the plan that we are a counter attacking team who concedes possession to even the smallest of teams, or he tells the team to be more controlled in possession. 

These ping pong games he's playing is getting pretty annoying now.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

I’ll actually be surprised if he isn’t sacked by December 

[killer1257 3,282]

Lampard has conceded 63 goals in about 43 premier league games with chelsea. That is an absolute disaster. 
Even at Derby the defending was this bad, but we thought his defenders there were poor, that he needed better players. As you can see, with better players in Chelsea, he still flops in defence.
Southampton had more shots, created more chances and dominated us from the 35th minute. It's unacceptable, either he lays out the plan that we are a counter attacking team who concedes possession to even the smallest of teams, or he tells the team to be more controlled in possession. 
These ping pong games he's playing is getting pretty annoying now.

Maybe Derby had a better keeper than Kepa lol

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[Atomiswave 6,117]

23 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Greizman was an anomaly, pretty much every flair player that's played under Simeone regressed to horrendous levels (Lemar, Correa,Felix, Gelson, Carrasco).

Say what you want about Lampard's overall management but he's already above Simeone on that (developing attacking players) regard through Pulisic alone.

I dont know Tomo, maybe he is. But Simeone is def much better at other aspects. Simeone wont work wonders with this team I agree but we will def be much harder to beat and score against overall. He aint coming here anyway.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Atomiswave said:

I dont know Tomo, maybe he is. But Simeone is def much better at other aspects. Simeone wont work wonders with this team I agree but we will def be much harder to beat and score against overall. He aint coming here anyway.

But at what cost? All our attacking players bar at a push Werner would look completely average playing that football, it would be an utterly ludicrous waste of talent.

[Jase 43,479]

159 goals conceded in 119 games in Lampard's managerial career.

70 goals conceded in 57 games at Derby.

89 goals conceded in 62 games at Chelsea.

1.3 goals conceded per game.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

15 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Maybe Derby had a better keeper than Kepa lol

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Maybe lol.

But its just crazy. Sarri had this same backline and Kepa and we were not nearly as bad as this in defence. Lampard has to show some progress in our style of play, 43 League games with us and I'm still waiting.

[killer1257 3,282]

Maybe lol.
But its just crazy. Sarri had this same backline and Kepa and we were not nearly as bad as this in defence. Lampard has to show some progress in our style of play, 43 League games with us and I'm still waiting.

Yes, but we played Sarri ball and that was the tactic to just pass the ball around til Hazard scores a goal. So, we rarely lost the ball and mistakes like Havertz today did not happen. We mostly conceded set piece goals when Sarri was here and those goals we conceded at the beginning of the second half

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[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, but we played Sarri ball and that was the tactic to just pass the ball around til Hazard scores a goal. So, we rarely lost the ball and mistakes like Havertz today did not happen. We mostly conceded set piece goals when Sarri was here and those goals we conceded at the beginning of the second half

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Wouldn't be against a bit of Sarriball right now, where we just pass the ball around to death. Might actually help us from pressing the self destruct button!