Popular Post! Superblue 6,372 Posted September 20, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted September 20, 2020 I've no problem with the tactics in the first half. How many times have people on this forum complained that we are far too open and no consideration on defending last season. You only have to look at the Anfield game last season when we were 3 goals down within an hour. We contained pretty well, and the extra protection with a 3 man midfield was a good decision. I think the only mistake was probably not starting with Giroud who would have been a better focal point and target to hit with this tactic. I feel if we could stay well in the game with 15-20 minutes to go, I think Lampard would have then opened up a bit more. Ironically we created a couple of chances late on like this with just 10 men. The issue is that the tactic looks horrific now because we played really defensively in the first half and then were always going to struggle with 10 in the second half. So statistically it looks like we've taken an absolute battering throughout the game. I think there was an element of maturity about how we did set up today and ultimately we've had go against us a red card, a goalkeeping mistake and a missed penalty. Also this idea that the defence hasn't been considered this summer is nonsensical. We've brought a new left back, centre back and goalkeeper, it's just back luck that none are available to play yet. Blue Armour, Ryan Fong, Vesper and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prehuman 119 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Vesper said: if Lamps shits out one name needs to be at the top of the list Julian Nagelsmann plus, we have a small German core already, and if we move for Zakaria or another Budesliga player or players, boom I am NOT new to this either been saying to hire him since it was clear Conte was leaving Nagelsmann is the man, no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: And like clockwork, Lampard blaming the red It was significant moment in the game and bad odds calculation by Andreas. Ten minutes to go, ok, you commit that foul but a minute before half-time, you take your chances on Mane missing. Blue Armour, Vesper and Ryan Fong 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Also this idea that the defence hasn't been considered this summer is nonsensical. We've brought a new left back, centre back and goalkeeper, it's just back luck that none are available to play yet. agree but we need a real DMF also one word sums up all the shit in this game beyond any other KEPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, Vesper said: agree but we need a real DMF also one word sums up all the shit in this game beyond any other KEPA I would agree but if we play usually with a midfield two, I think Kovacic and Kante gives a good balance moving forward. Obviously if we look at a midfield 3 then this becomes more of an issue. The long term aim must be to move Jorginho on for a more defensive minded midfielder (Rice, Partey, Zakaria for example) but I think this will be a struggle now this season and we've already got so many new faces in. The biggest problem this season will be if Kante struggles like last year. If he stays fit I think we'll be better in that midfield area, but if he struggles with injuries we look thin for a more defensive presence in there. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prehuman 119 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Chelsea have lost 32% of their home games under Frank Lampard. 9 of 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted September 20, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted September 20, 2020 Gets a free pass this time just because it is going to be a different type of season, at least the first one or two months and for me personally this are, let's say, some sort of pre season matches for our club given there was no proper pre season and the many transfers that we did. Clubs like Bayern, Liverpool, City, Madrid etc. that have had little to no departures and play the same line up for some time are going to do just fine and will hit the ground running. We did not concede before the red card, but still those were coward tactics, it was as if City was playing fucking MK Dons, ok Liverpool were not really missing one sitter after another, but still Chelsea was looking like a pub side, no character, no drive, not even proper counter attacking football, simply the kind of game a small club would play v Liverpool. As I said FL gets a free pass this time because of the current situation, BUT if nothing changes as soon as Thiago Silva, Chilwell, Pulisic, Ziyech and the new GK come into the starting line up, then he might be in trouble, a front four of Pulisic, Havertz, Ziyech, Werner must have any set of defenders sweat at the thought of facing them, not the other way around. Unfortunately it looked like this today, it really looked like they were scared of this Liverpool team and lost the mental battle as soon as the lineups were released. killer1257, 0007, kellzfresh and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: And like clockwork, Lampard blaming the red Pretty significant moment at 0-0 don't you think? The biggest problem Lampard has is no matter the tactics, style, philosophy we have a group of defenders who have made individual mistakes regularly. There were two huge mistakes today (Christensen & Kepa) which have changed and cost us the game. One of the best defensive tacticians (certainly of this era) Mourinho has struggled like crazy getting a tune out of Spurs but look at their defence too - Dier. Ben Davies. Aurier. Lloris is hugely overrated too. The personnel is not helping but Lampard has made a couple of additions to our defence and a new keeper which will hopefully help sort some of these problems out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 WHY does FL get a free pass on todays game? He isn't ten years old who has just been given the job. He's had diamonds and gold bars shot at him and the football has been shit since last season. We need to get out of this mindset of wiping the FL tears because he is a club legend...he's done some things well but he has also been shite in a lot of things. I can't defend him much more. Azul, prehuman, OneMoSalah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekin 835 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I am honestly not convinced about Frank as a manager. He has never struck me as a real tactician, but more of a man manager. He is early in his career though, and as any player he will develop. Joining us at this point was too early though most likely, andd I hope it doesnt affect his legacy. Personally I will hold off on any real judgement until end of October. When we have Silva, Mendy, Chilwell, Ziyech and Pulisic available for a few games I expect the games to look much better. If we still look toothless at that point then we will for sure have an issue on our hands. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Special Juan said: WHY does FL get a free pass on todays game? He isn't ten years old who has just been given the job. He's had diamonds and gold bars shot at him and the football has been shit since last season. We need to get out of this mindset of wiping the FL tears because he is a club legend...he's done some things well but he has also been shite in a lot of things. I can't defend him much more. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Are we really cribbing about today? What did people expect FL to do? Go gung ho without our 2 best wingers, no LB, a GK who can't stop a shot, catch a cross or pass the ball. FL got the tactics spot on. And it showed. Werner could have had a brace in the first half. We were solid defensively against one of the best attacking teams in the world. Anyone moaning today about FL needs to get his head checked and tested. Blue Armour, killer1257, Alabama and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Puliiszola said: Lol Look at this response, a typical 2020 response. Have we actually given up on debate to post shite like this? prehuman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Puliiszola said: Are we really cribbing about today? What did people expect FL to do? Go gung ho without our 2 best wingers, no LB, a GK who can't stop a shot, catch a cross or pass the ball. FL got the tactics spot on. And it showed. Werner could have had a brace in the first half. We were solid defensively against one of the best attacking teams in the world. Anyone moaning today about FL needs to get his head checked and tested. Anyone who posts 'LOL" as a response maybe needs their head checked. prehuman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Personally I have seen enough over the last year to know Lampard will not take us anywhere. He needs to go sooner rather than later. He has no philosophy and players seem like they are not coached well before games. prehuman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Why is Jorginho our penalty taker? prehuman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Why are people blaming Lampard? Christensen killed the game with the red and Kepa is just shite. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Look at this response, a typical 2020 response. Have we actually given up on debate to post shite like this? A typical 2020 knee jerk reaction would be to say that they can't defend the manager when he does not have both his main wingers, his 1st choice lB, 1st choice CB, and a half decent gk. Ask Klopp to play without Allison, Salah, mane, Robertson, vvd and see how good or bad they are "Lol" was an appropriate response to an asenine post . Pathetic. Blue Armour and Ayioros 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Anyone who posts 'LOL" as a response maybe needs their head checked. Another one of your gems which deserves a "lol'. Ayioros and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Puliiszola said: Another one of your gems which deserves a "lol'. Jog on fella and bring decent debate instead of generic shite that offers nothing. prehuman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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