OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, Strike said: @Henrique Mount, Abraham, Tomori, Reece James, Hudson Odoi. Out of these - Abraham, James, and CHO are starting quality players. Tomori has had impressive performances, and even Mount initially. I don't think they are ultra hyped players at all. Also, I can't imagine sitting at 4th this season with any other manager. If it was Sarri or Allegri or Enrique in charge, we would be starting the season with Pedro Willian and Batshuayi as the attackers, would not see Abraham and James get as much action as they are getting. The team has tailed off pretty shockingly over the last couple of months but I really doubt Lampard was a short term appointment and he will stay on another year even if the team fails to make top 4 Have to disagree, I think a more experienced manager could still of managed top 4 with our squad, as they could find other ways to get over the line especially Allegri who is very adaptable tactically and has shown he can get good results even when his teams dont necessarily play good. Maybe not Enrique and the verdicts still out on what Sarri may have done with another season here but I dont think it would be as open and closed as because we lost Hazard we would be lucky to get top 4. I dont think any manager would start Batshuayi here regularly. Nobody is that stupid, surely? Allegri liked Mandzukic and Kean at Juve so I think we would of seen Giroud and Abraham more than Batshuayi if he came here for instance. Also I dont think he would of shunned Reece or Callum for definite. Maybe Mason or Tomori but with Ruben out and uncertaincy who is out best CBs who knows? Lampard also cant have the luxury of a free hit season now like many think because we were 12 points clear for top 4 at one point. Young players or not blowing that gap in spectacular fashion is ridiculous. ZaynChelsea, Nicco, Atomiswave and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said: Have to disagree, I think a more experienced manager could still of managed top 4 with our squad, as they could find other ways to get over the line especially Allegri who is very adaptable tactically and has shown he can get good results even when his teams dont necessarily play good. Maybe not Enrique and the verdicts still out on what Sarri may have done with another season here but I dont think it would be as open and closed as because we lost Hazard we would be lucky to get top 4. I dont think any manager would start Batshuayi here regularly. Nobody is that stupid, surely? Allegri liked Mandzukic and Kean at Juve so I think we would of seen Giroud and Abraham more than Batshuayi if he came here for instance. Also I dont think he would of shunned Reece or Callum for definite. Maybe Mason or Tomori but with Ruben out and uncertaincy who is out best CBs who knows? Lampard also cant have the luxury of a free hit season now like many think because we were 12 points clear for top 4 at one point. Young players or not blowing that gap in spectacular fashion is ridiculous. As much as other managers would manage the current situation better, it is important to remember we got ourselves into a good position because of Lampard's faith in the youth and the fact he began using them right away at the start of the season.. The youngsters' inexperience has showed, a bit too much at times, but I would be okay missing out on top 4 with a number of young players blooded in the first team than secure top 4 with the likes of Luiz, Willian, Pedro, Alonso as starting players. Bosnian Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Lampard also cant have the luxury of a free hit season now like many think because we were 12 points clear for top 4 at one point. Young players or not blowing that gap in spectacular fashion is ridiculous. Comparisons can be made with Keegan in 96 or whatever year it was. A beloved ex player Newcastle were 12 points ahead of Man United and then contrived to throw it away. A 12 point lead squandered is unacceptable whatever the circumstances we should have picked up points against the likes of West Ham, Newcastle, Bournemouth and Southampton. Keegan and Lampard both playing open football and always looking vulnerable both adored by both sets of fans both could have the same outcome. OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 6:22 PM, Henrique said: Whats your point? Tottenham beat Manchester city and we couldn't beat city. But we are beating Tottenham... Or like you said because we couldn't beat Valencia and they lose against Atalanta. By which Atalanta couldn't win against city and yet Tottenham beat city and we are winning against Tottenham... You see the ridiculous of such statements? Of just using one game to make a point. NikkiCFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Anyhow I still stand by what I said, it's a miracle that we are in top 4 and if we finish in top 4 then Lampard is amazing. Because my original target with no hazard and no transfer window was 7 to 10. So for me Lampard continues to perform way above my target. Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Tomo 21,751 Posted February 22, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted February 22, 2020 Three times now he's throughly out thought Mourinho, outfoxed Ten Hag in Amsterdam and has faced Klopp, Pep and Sarri with vastly inferior teams and had his side looking tactically on point. Yes he's made mistakes that he will need to cut it out to ultimately make it here, but anyone who says there's no potential of a top coach in there is talking shit. !Hazard!, Fernando, Strike and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Anyhow I still stand by what I said, it's a miracle that we are in top 4 and if we finish in top 4 then Lampard is amazing. Because my original target with no hazard and no transfer window was 7 to 10. So for me Lampard continues to perform way above my target. Me too and you are at least realistic. Most Chelsea fans are like spoiled kids just like Real Madrid fans.Lamps is doing fineGesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Hope's he's realised how useful Giroud is. Good on him for picking that lineup however I will have no doubt in my mind he will continue with Christensen, which is a bad idea. Looked good today but faced virtually no strikers. Lewandowski is as physical as they come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tomo said: Three times now he's throughly out thought Mourinho, outfoxed Ten Hag in Amsterdam and has faced Klopp, Pep and Sarri with vastly inferior teams and had his side looking tactically on point. Yes he's made mistakes that he will need to cut it out to ultimately make it here, but anyone who says there's no potential of a top coach in there is talking shit. When did we face Sarri? You might be right but as you alluded to, Lampard will need to do that consistently to be a top coach. Doing it for one game here and there doesn't cut it, does it? I mean, any average manager can have their day. Hodgson, for example, has masterminded some excellent wins against the big teams with smaller teams but you wouldn't say he's a top coach would you, especially after his time at Liverpool? Also IIRC, you said that Mourinho is basically a yesterday manager, a manager past it (or something along those lines) and if so, not sure what's the weight here that Lampard managed to out thought him. The performance and win at Ajax were good, I'll say that, but as I mentioned it back then, Ajax have a poor recent home record in the Champions League. It was their away form that got them to the semis last season. Vybz Kartel, Supermonkey92 and Fernando 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaynChelsea 423 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Well done today. Caballero needs to be replaced by Kepa asap though. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 It's no good doing this sort of performance and win for one game in many. Need to get it right each time. This will mean little if we lose next Saturday. Hope he plays Giroud more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: When did we face Sarri? You might be right but as you alluded to, Lampard will need to do that consistently to be a top coach. Doing it for one game here and there doesn't cut it, does it? I mean, any average manager can have their day. Hodgson, for example, has masterminded some excellent wins against the big teams with smaller teams but you wouldn't say he's a top coach would you, especially after his time at Liverpool? Also IIRC, you said that Mourinho is basically a yesterday manager, a manager past it (or something along those lines) and if so, not sure what's the weight here that Lampard managed to out thought him. The performance and win at Ajax were good, I'll say that, but as I mentioned it back then, Ajax have a poor recent home record in the Champions League. It was their away form that got them to the semis last season. We didn't, he did last season with Derby and we were outdone tactically and won because we had the superior players. Difference with Roy is he is a finished article manager, he won't be developing or improving. Lampard has the scope to improve but I do agree he has to develop the consistency, but in my opinion he's earned that chance next season all things considered. Yes Jose is definitely yesterday's manager but even now he rarely gets so out classed by the same man three times on the spin, even against Pep he usually finds something passing an answer every now and again even if it involves sticking all his players in the box. Regarding Ajax, I would have praised the performance in that game even if we didn't win, Ajax have had the style of football we're trying to adopt ingrained in their club for decades and we went there and schooled them at their own game, would be the stylistic equivalent of Arsenal coming to The Bridge in the Drogba, Ballack days and overpowering us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSunshine 672 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Very happy with today's approach, attitude and performance (for a change). I hope Lamps has realised that he should never, ever marginalize players, unless it's for disciplinary issues. Giroud and Alosno were great today, credit where it's due. OneMoSalah, NikkiCFC, killer1257 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledg 643 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Not sure if Jose is a former shell of himself or Ole has some black magic involved when we play them but to beat Jose 3 times and lose the same amount against Ole is so weird. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tomo said: We didn't, he did last season with Derby and we were outdone tactically and won because we had the superior players. Difference with Roy is he is a finished article manager, he won't be developing or improving. Lampard has the scope to improve but I do agree he has to develop the consistency, but in my opinion he's earned that chance next season all things considered. Oh right, Derby in the cup last season. I'm inclined to agree with you but if you're gonna blow the trumpet of how Lampard manages to outsmart Manager X, Y, Z after notable wins, then can we do the same when he gets outsmarted by Manager X, Y, Z after notable losses and not get "shot" at? Because we have had some bad losses this season and some were to very average managers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tomo 21,751 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Oh right, Derby in the cup last season. I'm inclined to agree with you but if you're gonna blow the trumpet of how Lampard manages to outsmart Manager X, Y, Z after notable wins, then can we do the same when he gets outsmarted by Manager X, Y, Z after notable losses and not get "shot" at? Because we have had some bad losses this season and some were to very average managers... Ive never disagreed with that and infact I've been very critical myself of how he broke up the Kova, Jorgi, Mount midfield for example, something I hope he's learned from. What i take exception too (and back it up) is when there's talk that there's no potential of him being a top coach, ones that only tend to show up after bad results (notice a certain coincidental absence?) or trivial stuff when I say a performance wasn't shit somehow leads to someone translating that to me apparently being happy with the result Bosnian Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ledgi said: Not sure if Jose is a former shell of himself or Ole has some black magic involved when we play them but to beat Jose 3 times and lose the same amount against Ole is so weird. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If Ole pulls back his mask we'll see Dalglish. A shit manager somehow managing to keep beating us, particularly at Stamford Bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 There's also the inconsistency of young players and young coach. Which is also expected by me. So not surprised at the ups and downs of a young coach. He will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: Ive never disagreed with that and infact I've been very critical myself of how he broke up the Kova, Jorgi, Mount midfield for example, something I hope he's learned from. Or disregarding Giroud entirely for no apparent reason... 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: ones that only tend to show up after bad results (notice a certain coincidental absence?) or trivial stuff when I say a performance wasn't shit somehow leads to someone translating that to me apparently being happy with the result Well, I've nothing to say about that. It is as annoying as it is predictable. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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