🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Laylabelle 9,721]

4 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

I'll give you your due son you're definitely a half glass full person but it's the oldest cliche in the book it's a results business and saying we dominated against Arsenal is irrelevant if you don't win the game. Liverpool dominated possession last night, that game in 2015 when we beat Man United 1-0 at the Bridge and had only 26% possession that was and still is Mourinho's raison d' etre. If we have 80% of the ball and lose on Saturday I can't imagine anyone is going to say I'm devastated about the result but on the plus side I'm thrilled about our ball possession.

 Agree. A lot of our losses this season we've had the most shots and possession and yet it's the other team who come away happy. It means nothing. I dont get a shit if we chase the ball long as we are the ones scoring. Not them having 2 shots 2 goals and us with 15 and sod all

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

 but i am coming up with us ending on 65 to 68 points IF we lose to Spuds

I have Spuds on 67 to 70 IF they beat us

so

flip it

we beat them

68 to 71 for us

 

We won 41 points after 26 rounds. More than 2/3 of the season played. No way we are winning 30 points in the last 12 games even if we beat Spurs. Can't see us improving so dramatically.  With this tempo we'll be around 60 points. 

[Henrique 9,133]

Atalanta completely destroyed Valencia at home...same team we lost to 0-1. But of course @Fernando will suggest Atalanta have a much better squad than Chelsea.

[killer1257 3,282]

Atalanta completely destroyed Valencia at home...same team we lost to 0-1. But of course [mention=4603]Fernando[/mention] will suggest Atalanta have a much better squad than Chelsea.

You are comparing a game that happened months ago with a game that finished minutes ago.

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[Fernando 6,724]

19 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Atalanta completely destroyed Valencia at home...same team we lost to 0-1. But of course @Fernando will suggest Atalanta have a much better squad than Chelsea.

Lol completely different context. 

At the beginning of the season and today are two different things. 

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

I agree losing 12 points gap is unacceptable. (if we lose top4). But at the same time last season after 26 rounds Spurs had 60 points Chelsea 50. We finished above them. And people want Poch. He also had 12 points less than Lampard this season. Mou closed the gap. 

[Henrique 9,133]

59 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Lol completely different context. 

At the beginning of the season and today are two different things. 

Whats your point? 

[Henrique 9,133]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I agree losing 12 points gap is unacceptable. (if we lose top4). But at the same time last season after 26 rounds Spurs had 60 points Chelsea 50. We finished above them. And people want Poch. He also had 12 points less than Lampard this season. Mou closed the gap. 

But he managed to take Spurs to a UCL with an ultra limited squad. Trying to suggest Lampard is in the same level as Poch in terms of quality doesn't make much sense. Poch is the main reason Spurs became a "big" team. Before Pochettino there was not "big 6" talk. Since Spurs started to finish in top 4 on regular basis people started to consider them a "big" team.

You might keep faith in Lampard because he is a legend, because of stability or whatever, but suggesting Poch won't a be a upgrade over Lampard is just refusing to accept facts. It reminds me of 8 years ago, when "Roberto di Matteo is better than Guardiola" was a very popular opinion in this forum.

[chippy 342]

5 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

 Agree. A lot of our losses this season we've had the most shots and possession and yet it's the other team who come away happy. It means nothing. I dont get a shit if we chase the ball long as we are the ones scoring. Not them having 2 shots 2 goals and us with 15 and sod all

But so many of our goal attempts are in very crowed penalty areas, which is mostly down to our pedestrian build up play with endless passes and players frustratingly looking for another pass or taking an extra touch when in a good position.

Liverpool and an on form City are consistently able to carve open teams and have 3 or 4 attackers against 3 or 4 defenders.  Until we start opening up teams at pace, we'll struggle to do what the top teams are doing.

 

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[NikkiCFC 8,516]

Did not like how everyone jumped on our bench on Maguire-Michy situation to put pressure on referee except Lamps. We need to be united all together!

#teamwork

 

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

7 hours ago, Henrique said:

 It reminds me of 8 years ago, when "Roberto di Matteo is better than Guardiola" was a very popular opinion in this forum.

Tbh Di Matteo overachieved in the way Pep never did.

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

On 2/19/2020 at 0:33 AM, Mana said:

 It's like they WANT Chelsea to not get top 4.

 

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, Henrique said:

Atalanta completely destroyed Valencia at home...same team we lost to 0-1. But of course @Fernando will suggest Atalanta have a much better squad than Chelsea.

For starters, Atalanta certainly have better finishers than we do (as can be seen in the number of goals they've scored this season). They had 11 shots, 5 on target and scored 4. Valencia had 18 shots, 4 on target but scored just 1. And Valencia certainly had good clear chances last night.

 

[DDA 10,220]

8 hours ago, Henrique said:

It reminds me of 8 years ago, when "Roberto di Matteo is better than Guardiola" was a very popular opinion in this forum.

That was when the forum was full of plastics jumping on the Chelsea hype of winning the CL. No real footballing fan of Chelsea would make such a dumb claim.

[Jase 43,479]

8 hours ago, Henrique said:

It reminds me of 8 years ago, when "Roberto di Matteo is better than Guardiola" was a very popular opinion in this forum.

 

38 minutes ago, DDA said:

That was when the forum was full of plastics jumping on the Chelsea hype of winning the CL. No real footballing fan of Chelsea would make such a dumb claim.

Di Matteo did win the CL without Messi, something Guardiola has been unable to do. 

[OneMoSalah 9,098]

11 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Tbh Di Matteo overachieved in the way Pep never did.

Pep won 6 different trophies in one calender year. Even if that Barca team was outstanding it was basically his 3rd season as a manager.

Winning 6 trophies in one calender year, even with that team can be seen as overachieveing in my eyes, I mean I doubt any team will ever win 6 in the one calender year ever again.... lots and lots of games. 

Di Matteo did very well to win two trophies for us that half season he was interin manager but lets not pretend that he was an amazing manager compared with these guys. 

[Jase 43,479]

Arsenal, you know the team we all love to criticize and laugh at for their defensive flaws (not that they have gone entirely), have conceded 8 goals and kept 5 clean sheets in 11 games under Arteta. In the same period (since Arteta took charge of Arsenal's first game on Dec 26), we conceded 12 goals and kept only 2 clean sheets in 10 games. In fact, Arsenal's 5 clean sheets in 11 games under Arteta is just 2 (TWO!) short of our season's total of 7 in 37 games! 

[Jase 43,479]

25 minutes ago, Mana said:

You do know Arsenal's squad is better than ours right? They were just more lazy and disorganised under Emery. They have goalscorers in Martinelli and Aubameyang. Lacazette, who hasn't scored in months has now woken up from his long slumber.

Ozil, did more for Arteta then he EVER did for Emery in a short period of time.

Arsenal have a better squad than us? That's highly debatable but what's certain is that they have better goalscorers/strikers than we do. 

Never mind Emery, Arsenal were never organized even under Wenger. But so far, Arteta seems to have got them organized and made them competent defensively in just 11 games. It looks as though Arteta has been doing a lot tactical work to get Arsenal to be organized at the very least, rather than still be the messy, disorganized chaos side that we often saw under Emery and Wenger. Not sure if the same is done on our side...

[Iggy Doonican 4,187]

Good article this and should put to bed this bollocks narrative that having ball possession is something to take comfort in. It's the complete opposite it's a major flaw in your game if you dominate the ball have no final product and lose or draw against 10 men. We're going to have all the ball tomorrow if we lose the game against a team with no recognised strikers then serious questions have to be asked.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/frank-lampard-chelsea-manchester-united-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-champions-league-top-four-1883536

[chippy 342]

35 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Good article this and should put to bed this bollocks narrative that having ball possession is something to take comfort in. It's the complete opposite it's a major flaw in your game if you dominate the ball have no final product and lose or draw against 10 men. We're going to have all the ball tomorrow if we lose the game against a team with no recognised strikers then serious questions have to be asked.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/frank-lampard-chelsea-manchester-united-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-champions-league-top-four-1883536

Agree!

Ball possession and pass percentage mean jack!

A midfielder who makes very creative,  probing passes in the final third of the pitch is unlikely to have as high a pass percentage as ones like Jorginho and Kova who make lots of short passes much deeper. We simply need more players who can create and be a real threat to the opposistion. Take the Utd game. Kova was probably our best player. But for all his technical ability and running with the ball in the middle of the pitch, once he got into the final third he was clueless and downright poor. He has far too many of these kind of games.