robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 tom cleverly, delph, nolan, parker, heskey, crouch... i mean i could go on and on and on.why do we need shelvey and to replace whom?Shelvey is still 22 and a developing player as such. I did not suggest to drop Oscar and go sign Shelvey (although others suggested dropping Oscar and signing Coutinho ), but to just keep an eye on his development.He can be a good squad player, even rotation atm, and could develop into something better as he tones down his aggression. He has very good technique, but his decisions don't yet follow it. We lack English players, so we ought to keep an eye on the ones who show some promise.The suggestion thread was locked and labeled "stupid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Shelvey is still 22 and a developing player as such. I did not suggest to drop Oscar and go sign Shelvey (although others suggested dropping Oscar and signing Coutinho ), but to just keep an eye on his development.He can be a good squad player, even rotation atm, and could develop into something better as he tones down his aggression. He has very good technique, but his decisions don't yet follow it. We lack English players, so we ought to keep an eye on the ones who show some promise.The suggestion thread was locked and labeled "stupid." we have a core of english young players who have the potential. baker, RLC, boga in the CAM position. traore who will be considered as HG. if buying shelvey is mainly cos he will be HG, then that will be a poor decision especially since i cant see swansea selling him for a reasonable fee for a squad player who would barely play for us. also, we have so much talent in our own youth and loaned out players that buying squad players is not the best decision. someone like thorgan can easily take that role, cant he?just feel this is a transfer which has 0 possibility of happenin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 we have a core of english young players who have the potential. baker, RLC, boga in the CAM position. traore who will be considered as HG. if buying shelvey is mainly cos he will be HG, then that will be a poor decision especially since i cant see swansea selling him for a reasonable fee for a squad player who would barely play for us. also, we have so much talent in our own youth and loaned out players that buying squad players is not the best decision. someone like thorgan can easily take that role, cant he?just feel this is a transfer which has 0 possibility of happenin.What young English player have we got who is the star of (or even starts for) a PL outfit? Of an actual good team nonetheless?The only one we had got sold to Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What young English player have we got who is the star of (or even starts for) a PL outfit? Of an actual good team nonetheless?The only one we had got sold to Everton.why do we need english players who is the star of some other club (good or bad). our core is ALREADY here. oscar, hazard, willian, schurrle, salah, cesc, matic, rambo, costa. these are players who are 26 or below. what we need our squad and fringe players. and with the talent we have in our youth players, why not give those players a chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What young English player have we got who is the star of (or even starts for) a PL outfit? Of an actual good team nonetheless? The only one we had got sold to Everton.which young English player did we sell to Everton ? Nike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 which young English player did we sell to Everton ?heh true, which emphasizes the point that we haven't had one for a while - he was homegrown though.The actual point being that we have no real/tangible prospect of an English player in the making.Didier, Gary Cahill was bought from Bolton as a fringe player until he was good enough to start for us. It's just not that uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 heh true, which emphasizes the point that we haven't had one for a while - he was homegrown though.The actual point being that we have no real/tangible prospect of an English player in the making.Didier, Gary Cahill was bought from Bolton as a fringe player until he was good enough to start for us. It's just not that uncommon.Shelvy is a bigger hothead than rooney and only behind Joey Barton in terms of English hotheads.....Shelvy is an am that plays cm for swansea, but once Briton comes back, shelvy going to get benched... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 heh true, which emphasizes the point that we haven't had one for a while - he was homegrown though.The actual point being that we have no real/tangible prospect of an English player in the making.Didier, Gary Cahill was bought from Bolton as a fringe player until he was good enough to start for us. It's just not that uncommon.very very different scenarios. what were our defensive options then? JT, DL. thats it. alex was sidelined and sold in the same window as GC was bought. his only competitors were a 30 odd year old JT and a DL who could never cement his place as a CB.things are different in the mid. matic and cesc have just been bought and i cant see them not being our backbone. rambo is a brilliant rotation player. mikel has his uses when closing the game out. dont think shelvey can be used for that. so i cant see him playing in the pivot for us.for CAMs, we already are pretty much set for the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 i heard falcao is going to sign a permanent deal for United in Jan... Kind of crazy United's transfer windows have been... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Chiellini is out of contract in the summmer,We should keep an eye on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AswinR 96 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 cant believe we are talking about shelvey..again if u want anybody get pogba!! but frankly we got an awesome team and cant see anybody pushing matic or fab out of the line up...but as for young star english players, Robguima has a point...its really sad there aint any gerrard or lamps coming up... still cant believe that generation of english players ended empty handed!!!we are know talking about homegrown talents and most are not english(atleast not the very exciting ones) but you never know.... suddenly a player from lower leagues might burst into the scene.... infact if i remember right lamps didnt get a call to national team for world cup before the age 24 and after joining chelsea!i think we have a young striker, bamford i think, who seems like a gr8 prospect ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AswinR 96 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 imo we could buy cavani(heard hes not too happy there) this jan or end of season.... drogs can get into coaching for us that would be so awesome... its so much fun sitiing in a pub with arsenal fans and watching their reaction when our main keeper is injured and in walks big pete !! :blue scalf: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaDane 48 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Chiellini is out of contract in the summmer,We should keep an eye on him.Waaaaaaay to overrated IMO. And given his salary, I really hope that we don't sign him!We have Zouma, but maybe it's too early for him to be Terry's replacement already this summer? Even though, I think we'll sign a CB this summer. Stupid of Benahtia going to Bayern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Waaaaaaay to overrated IMO. And given his salary, I really hope that we don't sign him!We have Zouma, but maybe it's too early for him to be Terry's replacement already this summer? Even though, I think we'll sign a CB this summer. Stupid of Benahtia going to Bayern.Disagree,I think Chiellini is an absolute beast and he'd look even better in our system besides wages in Italy are relatively low so dont think that's gonna be too much of a problem.The other thing is that except for Chiellini how many proven World Class CB's are out there which we could realistically get?I can only think of Godin and Hummels and even signing either one of them is gonna be a long shot. Myself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaDane 48 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Disagree,I think Chiellini is an absolute beast and he'd look even better in our system besides wages in Italy are relatively low so dont think that's gonna be too much of a problem.The other thing is that except for Chiellini how many proven World Class CB's are out there which we could realistically get?I can only think of Godin and Hummels and even signing either one of them is gonna be a long shot.Maybe wages are low in general in Italy, but I don't think Chiellini's is one of them I believe there are more signings available than you present. Hummels is of course a major asset, Godin likewise. But there is also Jerome Boateng. Big player, which could be available when Martinez comes back from injury (&Badstuber). Ezequiel Garay. Still young, and seems to be getting better and better. Chiellini is 31 next summer. I would rather that we spend our money on something younger, with a little more future in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Chiellini is out of contract in the summmer,We should keep an eye on him.another stop gap. we would have a 31 year old chiellini, 31 year old iva, 29 year old GC, 30 year old luis if we buy chiellini (i can only think that we would buy him to replace JT). which means a defensive overhaul in a couple of season which is never good. i would rather that we get a long time solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Varane and Reus next year. That's all. kellzfresh, xPetrCechx, sdrcfc and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Maybe wages are low in general in Italy, but I don't think Chiellini's is one of them I believe there are more signings available than you present. Hummels is of course a major asset, Godin likewise. But there is also Jerome Boateng. Big player, which could be available when Martinez comes back from injury (&Badstuber). Ezequiel Garay. Still young, and seems to be getting better and better. Chiellini is 31 next summer. I would rather that we spend our money on something younger, with a little more future in it Bayern would never sell Boateng,he has been immense for them.Except for that Garay is good but not world class.Like I said its gotta be one of Hummels,Godin or Chiellini.another stop gap. we would have a 31 year old chiellini, 31 year old iva, 29 year old GC, 30 year old luis if we buy chiellini (i can only think that we would buy him to replace JT). which means a defensive overhaul in a couple of season which is never good. i would rather that we get a long time solution. Long term solution would be good but if a world class player is available on a free than you dont pass up that opportunity imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Long term solution would be good but if a world class player is available on a free than you dont pass up that opportunity imo.true. but sometimes u have to look at the bigger picture. he might improve us next season, but would become a "problem" in 2/3 seasons' time. also, in our "system", a top defender becomes a WC defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 true. but sometimes u have to look at the bigger picture. he might improve us next season, but would become a "problem" in 2/3 seasons' time. also, in our "system", a top defender becomes a WC defender. Fair enough,Let's see how Jose and Emenalo handle the CB situation,one thing is certain though that we need a new CB next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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