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Hypothetical hat on...

37M for Mata

17M for De Bruyne

Total 54M give or take....

I'd be more worried about how dangerous we will be with 54M than selling Mata.

As much as this makes sense - what says we don't have that kind of money laying around at the moment anyway? I guess the main point is if we should sell during the January transfer window and give them a better chance at getting a TOP4 finish - strengthening a direct league rival, hindering our own chances of doing business in the summer- or wait out till the summer and see if there is a plan for him or not. As egoistic and blunt as this sounds, club comes first and Mata's world cup hopes shouldn't be a factor here.

Edit: From the total of 54 you should subtract Matic's price and see how much is left. There's noone to get for that kind of money with the quality we should be looking for.

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If he goes, alongside KDB, that leaves us 4 players for 3 positions. It will reinvigorate our rivals, we don't need the money and I don't see how he fits at all, he won't play no10 at all there and he is much worse on the wing as has been proven here under numerous managers. He's even less suited to playing on the wings in the 442 they play.

Add the fact he's one of our best players, good attitude, very popular and successful here; I'd hope Mourinho would be smart enough not to sell him to another PL team

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If he goes, alongside KDB, that leaves us 4 players for 3 positions. It will reinvigorate our rivals, we don't need the money and I don't see how he fits at all, he won't play no10 at all there and he is much worse on the wing as has been proven here under numerous managers. He's even less suited to playing on the wings in the 442 they play.

Add the fact he's one of our best players, good attitude, very popular and successful here; I'd hope Mourinho would be smart enough not to sell him to another PL team

It's not 4 players for 3 positions. Ramires will play some attacking midfield for sure now that Matic is here. It would have happened anyway. Also, Mourinho often makes a second striker play out wide when we are behind which means that Eto'o, Ba, and Torres take some of the time from attacking midfielders as well.

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this thread has been hilarious in the last 20+ pages I just caught up with.

It's funny to call our board, our club, our manager all kind of names based on a rumor or something that is likely to be only us paying back for the Rooney summer gate.

Right now it's a bunch of knee-jerk reactions that shows how some fans are so willing to say shit about this club and the people working on it so quick for so little. Can't even wait until all those things actually happen? Let's see if he will indeed leave, if he will indeed go to ManUtd and if Rooney won't indeed come before we call our club, manager and board all names in the book. It's one thing to say we'd be really stupid to let him go to ManUtd, another is to say 'Fuck Chelsea' as I read...

Then there are the funny parts. Go back to this thread a hundred pages back (probably more) and see people saying how having 6, even 5 AMs was going to destroy our locker room (which has not happened as so many here predicted, Kevin left in a very peaceful way) or how it's impossible to manage even 5 players for 3 spots and have them happy and make it work. Now people are crying that having 4 AMs + Rami and Lamps who can also play in the position (in addition to Moses coming next season), isn't enough so that's why we shouldn't sell Mata. I mean, if 5 AM for 3 spots is too much and 4 is too little, the ideal is 4½? I'm confused :P

My instance on this is, I wish Mata was given more time to see if he can adapt. For me the only way for him to still play for us is adapting to the system and while I don't think he has the tools to do it, I can't say for sure he can't, so I'd be willing to wait and see. I don't care about his career at all (or any other player's), so I don't mind seeing a player like him in our bench and if he's useful for us, I'd rather keep him even if we only use him sporadically. Once proved he's useless to the system, then I think goodbye is appropriate, and I'd wish we'd get as much money as possible for him. I'm just not sure we've given him enough time (not exactly minutes, but time on training) to adapt to what Mourinho needs on the system.

But in the case the board sees fit for him to leave, my best wishes. While I don't particularly think it's great business to sell him to ManUtd I really disagree about people saying he's going to solve all their problems, that he's what they need, or that Mata will make them competitive for the top 4 again. I think it's delusional to think as such. They need much more, starting with the person who sits in their dugout. Mata isn't even the kind of player they need imo, if I were Moyes I would have some other priorities now. They have good prospects for the position in their current squad. There's some lack of ability to manage their prospects that created their AM problem, not the lack of players. How does Mata fit perfectly a 4-4-2? Isn't Adan the answer to all their problems? Don't they already have a #10 in Kagawa that they don't know how to use? I can see the struggles continuing for both Mata and ManUtd as he goes there. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for either.

I can see a lot of similarities between ManUtd/Mata deal and Chelsea/Willian deal. Not what they really need, something that could work, could improve them, but not the key to their success. Can we even say ManUtd have a system these days? If they do, I don't think Mata is the answer, although he'll improve them some. It's flabbergasting to think a player of his caliber wouldn't improve a side, of course he does, but I don't think said improvement will do much for them as they'll still look very frail in other zones and they'll overload a zone they have enough players (doesn't it sound really familiar to you?).

Is Chelsea better now because of Willian or because of a new working system from a top class manager? And even the comparison must be done cautiously because I think we had much less weaknesses and deficiencies in our squad when Mourinho arrived than ManUtd have now. We've had top class players in: Cech, Luiz, Eden, Oscar, Mata (even if Luiz and Mata couldn't keep their level from previous seasons). Working hard players such as Ramires and Azpilicueta. Solid players such as Terry and Ivanovic. Useful players such as Lampard and Mikel. We had striker issues and pivot issues and we could use some reinforcement in our back 4, but we basically had only two detracting issues: pivot and striker. Look at ManU's squad. They have issues - and not only welcoming reinforcements - in basically all positions. Their best players are too injury prone, and the reason why both aren't playing currently. Their defense is aged and the players are facing their best days in the rear mirror. Mata will improve them, for sure, but won't be the answer to their problems, just like Willian wasn't to ours, although improving us. Kevin or Schurrle would have filled his shoes in different circumstances just fine, maybe not as good, but not to the point where we wouldn't be where we are now because we didn't have Willian.

I agreed with a lot of things here, but it's really funny how discussions go a 180 in only a matter of months. It's hilarious to read now that 4 AM players for 3 spots is too thin when so many people were yelling their lungs off when Willian was signed saying 5 was already challenging to manage. The most common post back in those days were that 4 AMs + Moses coming back or at our beck and call was more than enough. Hindsight is a blessing.

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I'm at work so can't listen (I can't really be on here either, but oh well), what does he say?

Pretty much:

Negotiations have been going on for the past 48hrs, we want £40m and United will pay it. They don't want to make promises about Rooney. But it is negotiations between two clubs that usually fight for titles, so it's difficult. "Remains plenty to be done and you couldn't guarantee it will be done".

Also that United can outbid Atletico but the deal is still far off for United so you never know.

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