OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Vesper said: he should have went to Atletico Madrid or Juve or Bayern or PSG or Inter or AC Milan (but they have destroyed their team, so maybe not) and said fuck you Mancs Arsenal would of been the next best move for him I think personally. Likes of Ramsey, Walcott, Sanchez, Podolski, all good runners off the ball in the final third. Someone with his ability at picking a pass, would create chances although they did have Ozil which maybe made them not maintain their interest from when he was in Valencia. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 assists and a goal tonight. Numbers wise that must be his most productive game since 12/13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl1994 188 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Sad that Mata never fulfilled his potential he was a top 5 player in the league for us and has never got near that level again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,381 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I’d say that 2012/13 season was his potential/prime. Think he had something ridiculous like around 20 goals and 35 assists. Then Mourinho came... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 12/24/2019 at 8:42 PM, MoroccanBlue said: I’d say that 2012/13 season was his potential/prime. Think he had something ridiculous like around 20 goals and 35 assists. Then Mourinho came... I was not aware of this. Yes, 19 goals and 35 assists. Crazy! https://www.transfermarkt.com/juan-mata/leistungsdaten/spieler/44068/plus/0?saison=2012 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,381 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: I was not aware of this. Yes, 19 goals and 35 assists. Crazy! https://www.transfermarkt.com/juan-mata/leistungsdaten/spieler/44068/plus/0?saison=2012 I know he speaks fondly of Mourinho but fact of the matter is, he ruined him. From winning the CL to having one of the best individual seasons ever in a Chelsea kit, all prior to Mourinho arrival. Vesper and manpe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: I know he speaks fondly of Mourinho but fact of the matter is, he ruined him. From winning the CL to having one of the best individual seasons ever in a Chelsea kit, all prior to Mourinho arrival. Mata, Hazard, Salah, KDB... What could have been... Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: I was not aware of this. Yes, 19 goals and 35 assists. Crazy! https://www.transfermarkt.com/juan-mata/leistungsdaten/spieler/44068/plus/0?saison=2012 Yes, the FSW got insane output out of Mata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: I know he speaks fondly of Mourinho but fact of the matter is, he ruined him. From winning the CL to having one of the best individual seasons ever in a Chelsea kit, all prior to Mourinho arrival. Mourinho ruined or tossed away many great players, and not just here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Â DDA, Vesper and !Hazard! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Styl1994 188 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Could you imagined a 4231 Kante De Bruyne Salah  Mata  Hazard         Lukaku what could have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Styl1994 said: Could you imagined a 4231 Kante De Bruyne Salah  Mata  Hazard         Lukaku what could have been Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Styl1994 said: Could you imagined a 4231 Kante De Bruyne Salah  Mata  Hazard         Lukaku what could have been Swap Lukaku for Costa, put a DM/DLP in instead of Mata (who could be the impact sub) and make it a 4-3-3 then we're talking.      DM/DLP    Kante  KDB Salah        Hazard       Costa OhForAGreavsie and OneMoSalah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,253 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I almost forgot that he exists. Complety ruined is carrer when he joined United. What a waste of player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) Interesting was thinking back on his time here  and what he’s done after when I seen him play earlier for United. I know his career hasn’t exactly kicked on since he left us but he has nearly 100 goal involvements for United - 50 goals and 47 assists - in 271 games so basically a goal or assist every 2.8 games or 3 whatever your pick is. Not amazing but considering he hasn’t really ever been a regular there bar under Moyes prior to his sacking and Van Gaal for a bit but again in and out, it’s still not exactly been a career wasted so to speak, just has maybe underachieved (say that lightly though based on the trophies hes won still). It still does pain me to think what he could have continued to do here although he did have his limitations but at the same time the technical ability and quality that so many others didn’t have who lasted a lot longer than him here. For example Oscar and Willian. Overall though throughout his career, 618 club games, 137 club goals and 157 club assists. Basically a goal or assist every 2 games or close enoigh. Plus he’s won the World Cup, the Euros, the CL, Copa del Rey, 2 Europa Leagues, 2 FA cups and the EFL/Carabao Cup. So all in all not done too badly which is why maybe a waste of a career is a bit harsh although United being piss poor over a long period has largely contributed to a lack of medals. If he had gone somewhere else or stayed he’d have bound to have won more. Would say his playing style and lack of athleticism has made him a victim to how football over the last 10-15 years has seen this continuous emphasis and rise on everyone being even more athletic and even more extremely fit to play in these top teams. The majority of them all now seem to be associated with this relentless gegenpressen or counter pressing approach or whatever you want to call it and doesn’t look like its going anywhere any time soon. Edited May 11, 2021 by OneMoSalah manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,253 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 he will left United in a couple of weeks. His contract will not be extended. Its hard to believe that he left us in 2014. jesus christ time flys... btw, he arruined his carreer joining United. So sad... What player he could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Mário César said: he will left United in a couple of weeks. His contract will not be extended. Its hard to believe that he left us in 2014. jesus christ time flys... btw, he arruined his carreer joining United. So sad... What player he could be. Crazy how influental he was for us in 2 and a half years and how he remained under radar at United for 8 years.  By the time, it really bothered me we sold him, but probably by that time it was over for classic number 10s in football. What he could offer was no more needed. Same like Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, nyikolajevics said: Crazy how influental he was for us in 2 and a half years and how he remained under radar at United for 8 years.  By the time, it really bothered me we sold him, but probably by that time it was over for classic number 10s in football. What he could offer was no more needed. Same like Oscar. his 2012/13 season was one of the most wild statistically for a MF'er in modern football history if he had nicked one more goal, it would have been a reverse image of Nkunku this last season, granted Nkunku did it in FAR less minutes and games Chelsea played 69 games that season! IF we had won the semis in either the FA Cup or the League Cup, we would have been the first major team ever in modern history to play 70 games in one season (71 if we made both domestic cup finals) THAT would have been an impossible to break (I think even 69 is) record as it involved BOTH the CL and then sliding over and playing MAX Europa league games (an insane 15 matches between the two European comps) plus 2 replay games in the FA Cup that are no longer played (in theory we could have played FIVE FA Cup replay games, not 'just' 2, so that total could have been a CRAZY, MAD AS ASS 74 games in one season!!!), plus the CS, PLUS we played in the Super Cup and also the FWWC that combo of games has never been done before and likely never will be done again (as the EPL is the only league still with two cups, and it takes an insane confluence of events to play in the CS, CL, EL (and go max games there), Super Cup, and the FWCC ALL in the same season, plus max out on all games in two domestic cups   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted June 10, 2024 Share Posted June 10, 2024 Â Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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