MetsajCFC 1,255 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Since I or you do not have any say in this matter, then what´s the point of saying this or that ?As for Manures of next year. We all know, they are not a team without any money. They will buy players in the summer to strengthen their team. As for Mata being a game changer, well he is a great player, but not a game changer, in my view. Jose was not willing to build Chelsea around him. Therefore, the team is willing to accept 40m. Even though, I am sad to see him go, but it´s a great business, I feel. We might not have any say in this matter but isn't this whole forum concept built on opinion and all of us sharing our views on Chelsea related matters?They might strengthen in the summer, of course, but seems odd that we would sell them Mata, twice player of the year for us, in January. I'd rather keep Mata at all costs and think long term in the summer with proper replacements and so on. I'd love to see United drop out of top four, crippling them in the transfer market to some extent also in the summer window, which again benefits US next season.Can't deny Mata was the game changer for us last year, so influential and and at some point of the season we couldn't create any chances without him being a major part in it. Jose won't build around Mata because he isn't exactly his type of player, which is understandable. Doesn't mean we should sell to United, even if its 40 million. Money never been a problem, only way I'd take this deal is if we get Rooney. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hypothetical hat on...37M for Mata17M for De BruyneTotal 54M give or take....I'd be more worried about how dangerous we will be with 54M than selling Mata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky 739 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mata Signs its Official now... http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/mata-signs/ Apologies but that was a bluff. But can you imagine the disturbing sight of Mata in a ManU scum shirt..This cannot happen. 'Mata' could be the 'Gem' they need aka 'Cantona' to revive their team. No Way..KTBFFH!!! Christo191 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hypothetical hat on...37M for Mata17M for De BruyneTotal 54M give or take....I'd be more worried about how dangerous we will be with 54M than selling Mata.All right Special, finally someone makes sense here. Still I would add a few millions on that Mata sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetsajCFC 1,255 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Money is always a factor. KDB bought for 6.3, sold for 17m, Mata bought for 25, sold for 40m....it´s called FFP, just around the corner. Most likely, Chelsea needs to lower their deficit to buy more players in the summer.As I posted, no matter whether we like it, disagree with the sale, the deal if it goes through is a lot of money to reject for a player who sits around.You're talking as if selling players is the only way to balance the books. Wrong, big money is made behind the scenes with sponsorship deals, merchandise (mind you, in that Mata plays a big role with his well known name) and so on. Chelsea aren't a selling club and never will be. The argument of us selling in order to balance the book so we could buy a striker or any other player is just wrong. Might add up to clubs like Atletico and Porto but not us.He might sit around now, true. But what if Oscar / Hazard / Willian get injured? What then, Schürrle can't replace them all and I rate Mata alot higher than Schürrle. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 We don't sell to Man Utd, that should be the end of any negotiations The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mata Signs its Official now... http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/mata-signs/GTFO!! The Mak and Christo191 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hypothetical hat on...37M for Mata17M for De BruyneTotal 54M give or take....I'd be more worried about how dangerous we will be with 54M than selling Mata.What we can do with 54 mil?We have a lot of money without those 54 mil, and we can't buy a normal striker 3rd year in a row. MetsajCFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 JUST NOT TO MANU!! PLEASE CHELSEA DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE!. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF OSCAR GETS INJURED???/? SERIOUSLY, I KNOW WE CAN PLAY HAZARD OR WILLIAN IN THE MIDDLE BUT THAT MEANTS SCHURRLE PLAYS AND IN MY OPINION HE ISN'T THAT GOOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetsajCFC 1,255 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 What we can do with 54 mil?We have a lot of money without those 54 mil, and we can't buy a normal striker 3rd year in a row.Don't mind that argument, they are mixing up Football Manager 2014 and real life. The Chels and xPetrCechx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinineUltra 1,170 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hypothetical hat on...37M for Mata17M for De BruyneTotal 54M give or take....I'd be more worried about how dangerous we will be with 54M than selling Mata.As much as this makes sense - what says we don't have that kind of money laying around at the moment anyway? I guess the main point is if we should sell during the January transfer window and give them a better chance at getting a TOP4 finish - strengthening a direct league rival, hindering our own chances of doing business in the summer- or wait out till the summer and see if there is a plan for him or not. As egoistic and blunt as this sounds, club comes first and Mata's world cup hopes shouldn't be a factor here.Edit: From the total of 54 you should subtract Matic's price and see how much is left. There's noone to get for that kind of money with the quality we should be looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu35_army 551 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Pray for Mata... Christo191 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post! Roquila 1,335 Posted January 22, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mata Signs its Official now... http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/mata-signs/I hope you get into a stampede of Milwall fans. Muzchap, The Mak, t1mb3r and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If he goes, alongside KDB, that leaves us 4 players for 3 positions. It will reinvigorate our rivals, we don't need the money and I don't see how he fits at all, he won't play no10 at all there and he is much worse on the wing as has been proven here under numerous managers. He's even less suited to playing on the wings in the 442 they play.Add the fact he's one of our best players, good attitude, very popular and successful here; I'd hope Mourinho would be smart enough not to sell him to another PL team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2014/1/21/5332356/chelsea-fc-manchester-united-juan-mata-transfer-rumor-logic Eidur the Spider and SinineUltra 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 For the life of me I can't understand this transfer.Sell abroad unless they swap with Rooney, simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If he goes, alongside KDB, that leaves us 4 players for 3 positions. It will reinvigorate our rivals, we don't need the money and I don't see how he fits at all, he won't play no10 at all there and he is much worse on the wing as has been proven here under numerous managers. He's even less suited to playing on the wings in the 442 they play.Add the fact he's one of our best players, good attitude, very popular and successful here; I'd hope Mourinho would be smart enough not to sell him to another PL teamIt's not 4 players for 3 positions. Ramires will play some attacking midfield for sure now that Matic is here. It would have happened anyway. Also, Mourinho often makes a second striker play out wide when we are behind which means that Eto'o, Ba, and Torres take some of the time from attacking midfielders as well. The only place to be and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Barbara 15,149 Posted January 22, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 22, 2014 this thread has been hilarious in the last 20+ pages I just caught up with.It's funny to call our board, our club, our manager all kind of names based on a rumor or something that is likely to be only us paying back for the Rooney summer gate.Right now it's a bunch of knee-jerk reactions that shows how some fans are so willing to say shit about this club and the people working on it so quick for so little. Can't even wait until all those things actually happen? Let's see if he will indeed leave, if he will indeed go to ManUtd and if Rooney won't indeed come before we call our club, manager and board all names in the book. It's one thing to say we'd be really stupid to let him go to ManUtd, another is to say 'Fuck Chelsea' as I read...Then there are the funny parts. Go back to this thread a hundred pages back (probably more) and see people saying how having 6, even 5 AMs was going to destroy our locker room (which has not happened as so many here predicted, Kevin left in a very peaceful way) or how it's impossible to manage even 5 players for 3 spots and have them happy and make it work. Now people are crying that having 4 AMs + Rami and Lamps who can also play in the position (in addition to Moses coming next season), isn't enough so that's why we shouldn't sell Mata. I mean, if 5 AM for 3 spots is too much and 4 is too little, the ideal is 4½? I'm confused My instance on this is, I wish Mata was given more time to see if he can adapt. For me the only way for him to still play for us is adapting to the system and while I don't think he has the tools to do it, I can't say for sure he can't, so I'd be willing to wait and see. I don't care about his career at all (or any other player's), so I don't mind seeing a player like him in our bench and if he's useful for us, I'd rather keep him even if we only use him sporadically. Once proved he's useless to the system, then I think goodbye is appropriate, and I'd wish we'd get as much money as possible for him. I'm just not sure we've given him enough time (not exactly minutes, but time on training) to adapt to what Mourinho needs on the system.But in the case the board sees fit for him to leave, my best wishes. While I don't particularly think it's great business to sell him to ManUtd I really disagree about people saying he's going to solve all their problems, that he's what they need, or that Mata will make them competitive for the top 4 again. I think it's delusional to think as such. They need much more, starting with the person who sits in their dugout. Mata isn't even the kind of player they need imo, if I were Moyes I would have some other priorities now. They have good prospects for the position in their current squad. There's some lack of ability to manage their prospects that created their AM problem, not the lack of players. How does Mata fit perfectly a 4-4-2? Isn't Adan the answer to all their problems? Don't they already have a #10 in Kagawa that they don't know how to use? I can see the struggles continuing for both Mata and ManUtd as he goes there. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for either.I can see a lot of similarities between ManUtd/Mata deal and Chelsea/Willian deal. Not what they really need, something that could work, could improve them, but not the key to their success. Can we even say ManUtd have a system these days? If they do, I don't think Mata is the answer, although he'll improve them some. It's flabbergasting to think a player of his caliber wouldn't improve a side, of course he does, but I don't think said improvement will do much for them as they'll still look very frail in other zones and they'll overload a zone they have enough players (doesn't it sound really familiar to you?).Is Chelsea better now because of Willian or because of a new working system from a top class manager? And even the comparison must be done cautiously because I think we had much less weaknesses and deficiencies in our squad when Mourinho arrived than ManUtd have now. We've had top class players in: Cech, Luiz, Eden, Oscar, Mata (even if Luiz and Mata couldn't keep their level from previous seasons). Working hard players such as Ramires and Azpilicueta. Solid players such as Terry and Ivanovic. Useful players such as Lampard and Mikel. We had striker issues and pivot issues and we could use some reinforcement in our back 4, but we basically had only two detracting issues: pivot and striker. Look at ManU's squad. They have issues - and not only welcoming reinforcements - in basically all positions. Their best players are too injury prone, and the reason why both aren't playing currently. Their defense is aged and the players are facing their best days in the rear mirror. Mata will improve them, for sure, but won't be the answer to their problems, just like Willian wasn't to ours, although improving us. Kevin or Schurrle would have filled his shoes in different circumstances just fine, maybe not as good, but not to the point where we wouldn't be where we are now because we didn't have Willian.I agreed with a lot of things here, but it's really funny how discussions go a 180 in only a matter of months. It's hilarious to read now that 4 AM players for 3 spots is too thin when so many people were yelling their lungs off when Willian was signed saying 5 was already challenging to manage. The most common post back in those days were that 4 AMs + Moses coming back or at our beck and call was more than enough. Hindsight is a blessing. darrus, Fernando, The only place to be and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 @Barbara, how is it that you always seem to write a post that looks like an essay? Christo191, Fernando, nachikethas and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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