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MrBlueGuy

Next Manager?

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Apparently Lampard is currently on holiday so the lack of urgency from Chelsea's end to make their approach for him (although it could be argued is par for the course with us) makes sense to get everything sorted when he's back and the links with other candidates seem to have dried up entirely. 

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Its not a typical Chelsea season if we find a replacement before selling. So expect a couple managerless weeks before Marina returns from holidays.

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Anyone know the kind of coach Lampard is? His tactics and game approach?

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30 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Anyone know the kind of coach Lampard is? His tactics and game approach?

I read somewhere that he is an attacking one. Uses "inverted wingers" I read somewhere.

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8 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Apparently Lampard is currently on holiday so the lack of urgency from Chelsea's end to make their approach for him (although it could be argued is par for the course with us) makes sense to get everything sorted when he's back and the links with other candidates seem to have dried up entirely. 

yup. would not be the Chelsea way to get things sorted out early. This would eliminate room for late drama which we all love so much at this club.

6 hours ago, Henrique said:

Anyone know the kind of coach Lampard is? His tactics and game approach?

 

5 hours ago, Clockwork said:

The article makes him look very much like club. Alterating between high press and deep block, fast transition in a 4-4-2 to offense and quickly getting people behind the ball.

But what I saw when i looked a tthem, the team looked more like our Sarri Chelsea with a very rigid 4-3-3 that people figured out.

But I like his empasis on young players with high energy level and work ethic. Esp Mount, Wilson etc made runs you would never see a player in tha tposition make usually. I remember Mount sprinting up and down the touchline in the Leeds game multiple times in stoppage time and wilson to defend at his own corner flag opposite of his own position. Maybe it was not even planned but Derby surely knew how to put a shift in and never gave up fighting, even if not always successful.

What I am really curious to see is what Lamps will do with Jorginho. The only thing that Lampard never did opposed to players like Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Jorginho and most of todays CMs was tactically controlling the game, sometimes advertedly slowing down the tempo, giving rhythm with short passes. Lampard was very direct and even when he fell back between the CBs he would always look for the optimal pass to score a goal in the attack. Which is where those hollywood passes pinpoint to Drogba's chest often came from. I dont think Lampard would have been unable to do the Queerpasstoni and exchange passes back and forth but that was just not the way we rolled. We looked inferior to the only team back then who already had those tactical midfielders, Barcelona, when we actually were not. We just were set up differently, whcih is also why we beat them multiple times with Lamps playing a key role.

Anyway, the point is: Can Lampard use Jorginho to full effect never having played himself in a team with this kind of midfielder or having been coached by someone who uses a player like this? I dont even think it is a must. Coaches like Klopp, Kovac, Deschamps operate succesfully without a Jorginho-type player, whilst most other managers and pundits have identified these kidn of players as the key to modern football like Guardiola, Pochettino, Zidane. If Lampard is not this kind of coach, Jorginho could acutally hold us back building a high energy heavy metal football team.

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3 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

The article makes him look very much like club. Alterating between high press and deep block, fast transition in a 4-4-2 to offense and quickly getting people behind the ball.

But what I saw when i looked a tthem, the team looked more like our Sarri Chelsea with a very rigid 4-3-3 that people figured out.

But I like his empasis on young players with high energy level and work ethic. Esp Mount, Wilson etc made runs you would never see a player in tha tposition make usually. I remember Mount sprinting up and down the touchline in the Leeds game multiple times in stoppage time and wilson to defend at his own corner flag opposite of his own position. Maybe it was not even planned but Derby surely knew how to put a shift in and never gave up fighting, even if not always successful.

What I am really curious to see is what Lamps will do with Jorginho. The only thing that Lampard never did opposed to players like Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Jorginho and most of todays CMs was tactically controlling the game, sometimes advertedly slowing down the tempo, giving rhythm with short passes. Lampard was very direct and even when he fell back between the CBs he would always look for the optimal pass to score a goal in the attack. Which is where those hollywood passes pinpoint to Drogba's chest often came from. I dont think Lampard would have been unable to do the Queerpasstoni and exchange passes back and forth but that was just not the way we rolled. We looked inferior to the only team back then who already had those tactical midfielders, Barcelona, when we actually were not. We just were set up differently, whcih is also why we beat them multiple times with Lamps playing a key role.

Anyway, the point is: Can Lampard use Jorginho to full effect never having played himself in a team with this kind of midfielder or having been coached by someone who uses a player like this? I dont even think it is a must. Coaches like Klopp, Kovac, Deschamps operate succesfully without a Jorginho-type player, whilst most other managers and pundits have identified these kidn of players as the key to modern football like Guardiola, Pochettino, Zidane. If Lampard is not this kind of coach, Jorginho could acutally hold us back building a high energy heavy metal football team.

The high press, high intensity style is something I would like to see adopted. I do think this is where there will be a long term benefit to selling Hazard. The team has predominantly been set up to get as much out of him as our best player in the past and given him a less rigid role with regards to defensive contributions, but he's also never shown a great willingness to press in an intense manner either. It's why players like Willian and Oscar have been favoured in the past by managers, because it brings better balance to the team when one player is being given a much more attack minded role. That isn't knocking Hazard either because his ability warranted us doing so.

However with Hazard gone, I think more flexibility can be brought into the team with regards to this style of play. Young players will bring that energy and willingness to press intensely, but we also have experienced players such as Kante, Willian and Pedro who should have the ability to play effectively in that way too.

With Jorginho, although he's not an athlete in the sense that Kante is, he did play under Sarri at Napoli in that way pressing high and playing an intense and relentless brand of football. The experience of playing in that manner could be a bigger help than expected for Lampard. That part of his game also came out more in the last couple of months of the season too.

Also it was obviously at the end of his career in a mediocre league, but Lampard did play with Pirlo so should have gained some idea of how a midfielder like that operates. He will have played against many teams in his career who had a player like this also. I'm sure he'll have an idea in mind, but I would be surprised given how thin and lacking in experience we are in the middle if Lampard didn't find a way to accommodate both Kante and Jorginho.

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5 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

What I am really curious to see is what Lamps will do with Jorginho. The only thing that Lampard never did opposed to players like Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Jorginho and most of todays CMs was tactically controlling the game, sometimes advertedly slowing down the tempo, giving rhythm with short passes. Lampard was very direct and even when he fell back between the CBs he would always look for the optimal pass to score a goal in the attack. Which is where those hollywood passes pinpoint to Drogba's chest often came from. I dont think Lampard would have been unable to do the Queerpasstoni and exchange passes back and forth but that was just not the way we rolled. We looked inferior to the only team back then who already had those tactical midfielders, Barcelona, when we actually were not. We just were set up differently, whcih is also why we beat them multiple times with Lamps playing a key role.

Anyway, the point is: Can Lampard use Jorginho to full effect never having played himself in a team with this kind of midfielder or having been coached by someone who uses a player like this? I dont even think it is a must. Coaches like Klopp, Kovac, Deschamps operate succesfully without a Jorginho-type player, whilst most other managers and pundits have identified these kidn of players as the key to modern football like Guardiola, Pochettino, Zidane. If Lampard is not this kind of coach, Jorginho could acutally hold us back building a high energy heavy metal football team.

I feel there will be a role reversal with Kante in case Jorginho starts ... from the analysis it's obvious that defense has to be strong so putting Jorginho in front of the defender would be out of question. Jorginho will need to play more advance role which means getting more into the box which is not his thing I feel. Maybe it will be Jorginho's turn to adapt to a new role if he wants to be part of the 11. 

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So just because Lampard has never played with a holding midfielder, means he won't set up teams like that tactically? 

Lampard is an intelligent man. He will see Jorginho's strengths and fairly certain he will utilise them. Just because he's never played with a 'controller' as a player, shouldn't limit him adapting his football tactics as a manager. I wouldn't even consider it adapting given Lamps' football is pretty similar to Sarri's. 

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16 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Apparently Lampard is currently on holiday so the lack of urgency from Chelsea's end to make their approach for him (although it could be argued is par for the course with us) makes sense to get everything sorted when he's back and the links with other candidates seem to have dried up entirely. 

Doesnt matter if hes on holiday or not. We havent even approached Derby yet. Technically cant speak to him until we agree compensation with Derby.

Needs to get sorted ASAP, players and managers have cut holidays short before because clubs have agreed compensarion/transfer fees. This is no different. Its just the usual Chelsea FC lack of urgency to get anyrhing done.

Also Kante swapping with Jorginho and playing infront of the defence? Is that guy joking? When has Kante ever played as a 6. Except in like 4 or 5 games under Conte which in that run we lost very badly vs Arsenal and Liverpool... wasnt his fault but he isnt a sitting midfielder.

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End of the week would be Friday, we haven't even contacted Derby at all, yet

 

I know Sarri only left Sunday, and I for one think Lampard is nailed on (IMO), but I am really surprised we haven't at least got compo sorted with Derby.  I know Frank is on holidays but he wil have an agent in UK to tie up loose ends.   I have a feeling our board may also just be putting feelers out elsewhere, too.   

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1 hour ago, Supermonkey92 said:

Let's get Eddie Howe 

Howes Bournemouth are hit and miss. Good going forward some games then utterly toothless the next. Also defensively they are very suspect. The money hes spent there is a lot for a team like Bournemouth in all fairness too. Although theyve signed some talented players in the past, (Ryan Fraser biggest bargain theyve made in years though, was like 300k and now they will get 30m at least for him if they sell him in the summer off the back of a season where he got 14 assists), the likes of Jordon Ibe, Dom Solanke, Lewis Cook, Tyron Mings, Jefferson Lerma, though have all cost them big money for a club with their resources and struggled to do anything of note. Id like to see Howe at a bigger club than Bournemouth to see his potential as a manager at a big club in the future but ultimately I dont know if he will ever manage a CL level side. Which is the minimum of what we should be aspiring to be.

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1 hour ago, Supermonkey92 said:

Let's get Eddie Howe 

Will not understand why people even suggest Eddie Howe...

On 6/3/2019 at 11:23 PM, Jason said:

I find Eddie Howe to be overrated, TBH. His Bournemouth side play good football but as you said, they can't defend (you can't just brush it off like it's nothing if we want to succeed at the highest level) and Howe doesn't seem to offer much in terms of tactical variety.

Furthermore, since he got Bournemouth to the Premier League in 2015, he has spent £136.5 million - which is quite a lot when you consider some of the smaller sides don't even get to spend that much - and finished 16th, 9th, 12th and 14th, with a return of 42, 46, 44, 45 points respectively.

 

On 6/3/2019 at 11:37 PM, Jason said:

They might have crappy defenders but if there's proper tactical organization, it can help mask the deficiency. But I don't think we have seen that and even if they have finished above the likes of West Ham, look at their points return. Just above the 40s, doing just enough to stay in the league and that's it. I don't get the sense that they're going anywhere. Reminds me of Tony Pulis at Stoke, where he did just enough to keep them up, played the same dull football year in year out and eventually got booted out. 

 

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1 hour ago, Antonio8 said:

luis enrique :ph34r:

It sounds like either he or someone in his family is really ill (maybe dying?)

He just stepped down as the Spanish National team manager because of it, so he will never come work here until it is sorted, and if it is he himself who is  really ill, he may never manage again if he doesn't recover.:(

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

It sounds like either he or someone in his family is really ill (maybe dying?)

He just stepped down as the Spanish National team manager because of it, so he will never come work here until it is sorted, and if it is he himself who is  really ill, he may never manage again if he doesn't recover.:(

 :( I didn't know

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