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BlueLion.

28. César Azpilicueta

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3 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

But he is absolutely POOR at organizing the rest of our defense. I would argue that even Cahill would do a better job in that regard. We are lacking someone like JT to organize that back line.

Azpi is POOR at organizing our defence? Okay, let's not exaggerate things because of what's going on this season. Go back to previous seasons and you will definitely see Azpi organizing defences etc. And do you really think Terry was THE reason we had solid defences in the past because he was shouting and screaming at others? No. Sure, he did organize our defence and all that but he also had capable and reliable defenders, with everyone in back four working as a unit. Is that really the case now? Expecting Azpi to look out for himself and babysit others for 90 minutes every game is a bit much, don't you think? You have Alonso who is just super slow and bad, Luiz who god knows what you're going to get in each game and Rudiger who can be a little suspect at times. Questions should be asked of the others as well, especially when some see the likes of Luiz as a leader!

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7 hours ago, Clockwork said:

He is one of the issues though, and his position should absolutely not be safe. As others have there is a reason that Azpi has been seldomly selected for Spain, despite the ample of managers they have had over the years. He just doesn't fit this type of football as a RB.

I think he could still be an effective squad player, but he is absolutely one of the tough decisions the manager has to make. He is getting close to 30, and has played as much minutes as anyone in Europe over the past few years. That has undoubtedly accumulated.  

I am not sure Azpi is a problem for us. He is not good enough technically and as a passer for a fb which is why he is not starting rb for Spain. For us he is fine, he got destroyed by sterling though 

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49 minutes ago, communicate said:

I am not sure Azpi is a problem for us. He is not good enough technically and as a passer for a fb which is why he is not starting rb for Spain. For us he is fine, he got destroyed by sterling though 

He has to be upgraded. His race is soon run. Over 20,000 total minutes in last 5 seasons. Will be around 9500 just these last two. He turns 30 in summer. 

Thank god we have Reece James coming in but we need to sell Azpi and buy another RB as well. Maybe keep his as a backup CB. The club blew Azpi out. You cannot play a player in that position that many minutes a year and expect him to keep up WC level past 29, 30.

Azpi is the only remotely WC RB over 28yo. Let that sink in.

No, soon to be 36yo Dani Alves doesn't count. Criminal fraud that FIFA put him on first team all world for 2018. He is shot as a top player.

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Selling Azpi is a ridiculous idea. No disrespect but you cannot say that he has run his race. The team is struggling, he has shown more than enough at times this season to show he still has plenty to offer (or so I think). Reece James is a big talent but again, not to rush him, he needs more experience firstly.

7 hours ago, communicate said:

I am not sure Azpi is a problem for us. He is not good enough technically and as a passer for a fb which is why he is not starting rb for Spain. For us he is fine, he got destroyed by sterling though 

Sterling would give most players a tough game. What about the 2-0 where he was immense and had Sane in his pocket? Or the countless other big games hes played in where he has been ridiculously good defensively? Offensively he can still improve but his final ball as weve seen over the last few seasons is actually good. Crossing for a false 9 that is 5 ft 8 is hardly ideal. 

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5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Selling Azpi is a ridiculous idea. No disrespect but you cannot say that he has run his race. The team is struggling, he has shown more than enough at times this season to show he still has plenty to offer (or so I think). Reece James is a big talent but again, not to rush him, he needs more experience firstly.

Sterling would give most players a tough game. What about the 2-0 where he was immense and had Sane in his pocket? Or the countless other big games hes played in where he has been ridiculously good defensively? Offensively he can still improve but his final ball as weve seen over the last few seasons is actually good. Crossing for a false 9 that is 5 ft 8 is hardly ideal. 

Nah I have no problem with Azpi. He is perfectly fine, I am just saying why he is not Spain no 1 rb

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1 minute ago, communicate said:

Nah I have no problem with Azpi. He is perfectly fine, I am just saying why he is not Spain no 1 rb

Hes not Spains no 1 RB because Dani Carjaval is better. Plain and simple. Maybe not defensively but his physical and technical attributes are very impressive. Always a threat when getting forward. Its nothing to do with Azpi being poor. Defensibdly not many players in world football are as consistently solid as he usually is. Being exposed is difficult for every player.

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11 minutes ago, communicate said:

Nah I have no problem with Azpi. He is perfectly fine, I am just saying why he is not Spain no 1 rb

Because Carvajal and Sergi Roberto are better players. Its not even close nowadays. Soon Hakimi (if he switches to Spain) and Odriozola will pass him up. He has no future on Spain and soon none here.

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Just now, Romans disciples said:

still one if the best .

 

Naw. He is spent IMHO, his defence is what carried him and that has been extremely poor. Too many minutes. Time to sell, as he isn't good enough now.

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4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Naw. He is spent IMHO, his defence is what carried him and that has been extremely poor. Too many minutes. Time to sell, as he isn't good enough now.

Deary me, one poor season and people suddenly want Azpi to be sold, despite having been excellent in all the previous seasons. :doh: He is definitely the victim of his own success and the high standards he set for himself. Remember when Benitez tried to push Terry out in the 2012/13 season? Yeah, it turned out Terry still had a lot of himself to give and went on to win more trophies, including 2 Premier League titles. At worst, Azpi should be kept and be second choice because he still more than good enough to serve as a backup option.

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Azpi is more of a Cahill/Ivanovic than a Terry; Terry is arguably the best CB of his generation. On the other hand Azpi just a decent player. 

 

I do agree Azpi doesn't need to be sold though, unless someone comes with a great offer which i don't really expect.

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3 hours ago, Yeboii said:

He needs a rest, just like Rudiger and Jorginho. 

He had 7 days rest? 

He isnt fit for this type of football. Either a rotation player or move him to CB

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5 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Azpi is more of a Cahill/Ivanovic than a Terry; Terry is arguably the best CB of his generation. On the other hand Azpi just a decent player. 

 

I do agree Azpi doesn't need to be sold though, unless someone comes with a great offer which i don't really expect.

For me, Ivanovic was one of the most solid defenders we have had in the last 15 years and the list is pretty impressive. In his best years he was a no thrills rock solid defended. Nobody liked playing against him because he was fast, strong and for what he lacked in technical attributes he made up for through his defensive ability. He was also a big game player and sure he faded but that happens. Cahill for a lack of natural talent also has done pretty well. His successes as a player was through hard work. 

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9 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

For me, Ivanovic was one of the most solid defenders we have had in the last 15 years and the list is pretty impressive. In his best years he was a no thrills rock solid defended. Nobody liked playing against him because he was fast, strong and for what he lacked in technical attributes he made up for through his defensive ability. He was also a big game player and sure he faded but that happens. Cahill for a lack of natural talent also has done pretty well. His successes as a player was through hard work. 

Not knocking Ivanovic, Cahill, or Azpi just saying they are quite a level down from Terry. I personally rate Azpi somewhere between Ivanovic and Cahill, while i rate Ivanovic higher i rate Azpi closer to Cahill.

Also Azpi is not a RB, he has hardly played the position since arriving at Chelsea. Mou played him as LB for defensive purpose to give cover for Hazard, and Conte played him as a CB. Even some of the most negative managers saw his lack of offensive ability. 

Terry resurgence was honestly was due to bringing back Mou tbh, not sure he would have enjoyed that comeback with most managers. 

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We must admit tho that Dave just isn't suited to his system/ He had a shocker on sunday. Ou captain was all fingers and thumbs

The team obviously don't listen to him - if he did try to rally them and get their heads together. And gave them a penalty as if they needed one.

But have to keep him even on bench as theres more chane of a new manager than new players.

@OneMoSalah We kept them both too long.

I think JT made them both look better than they were and when he left it showed.

Very basic skills wise but strong big old boys who were needed at times.

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13 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Azpi is more of a Cahill/Ivanovic than a Terry; Terry is arguably the best CB of his generation. On the other hand Azpi just a decent player. 

I think saying Azpi is "a decent player" is rather harsh, TBH. This season and his offensive limitation aside, he has been arguably our best and most consistent defender for the last 6-7 years. When in recent seasons can you genuinely remember he had a bad game? He played well at RB under Di Matteo, Benitez. Went to LB and did a solid job there. Went to CB and again, did an outstanding job. He was constantly shifted around the back 4 and yet his performances and consistency never wavered - he was such a rock defensively that Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher - two of the higher quality defenders in PL history - named him the best defender some years ago.

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2 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

We must admit tho that Dave just isn't suited to his system/ He had a shocker on sunday. Ou captain was all fingers and thumbs

The team obviously don't listen to him - if he did try to rally them and get their heads together. And gave them a penalty as if they needed one.

Azpi isn't a leader like Terry but one can only do so much as a captain if the others operate on their own. Terry was a successful captain but it wasn't just because of his leadership qualities but he also had other leaders within the team that stepped up and took responsibility when needed. Can't really say the same about this squad, can we? 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I think saying Azpi is "a decent player" is rather harsh, TBH. This season and his offensive limitation aside, he has been arguably our best and most consistent defender for the last 6-7 years. When in recent seasons can you genuinely remember he had a bad game? He played well at RB under Di Matteo, Benitez. Went to LB and did a solid job there. Went to CB and again, did an outstanding job. He was constantly shifted around the back 4 and yet his performances and consistency never wavered - he was such a rock defensively that Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher - two of the higher quality defenders in PL history - named him the best defender some years ago.

100% 

This season our back 4 has been horribly exposed.

Normally 1v1 Azpi is defensively sound but he has struggled for the second season since Joses poor year before he got sacked. Lack of ability going forward is also harsh, we have played with a lack of attacking movement and a false 9 a lot this season. You try crossing a ball in the air to somebody who is 5 ft 7 what do you expect? His delivery under Conte was undoubtly a huge plus. Even under Jose at LB when he got forward he offered something. He is hardly offensively poor as well as in spells under Rafa. Could be better but hes hardly a blunt instrument so to speak. 

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Just now, OneMoSalah said:

100% 

This season our back 4 has been horribly exposed.

Normally 1v1 Azpi is defensively sound but he has struggled for the second season since Joses poor year before he got sacked. Lack of ability going forward is also harsh, we have played with a lack of attacking movement and a false 9 a lot this season. You try crossing a ball in the air to somebody who is 5 ft 7 what do you expect? His delivery under Conte was undoubtly a huge plus. Even under Jose at LB when he got forward he offered something. He is hardly offensively poor as well as in spells under Rafa. Could be better but hes hardly a blunt instrument so to speak. 

Okay TBH, I don't remember much of 2015/16 apart from that 2-2 draw against Spurs. :lol:  But I don't recall Azpi being bad in the 'Mourinho Season' compared to this season, where he has had more shaky performances than solid ones.

Overall though and I've said this a few times, people take Azpi's consistency and strong performances in the past years for granted. He rarely made mistakes, was dependable, always with 9/10 performances (something even Terry pointed out). Guess this likely down to the fact that he doesn't do anything fancy or isn't like a vocal/standout character like Terry or Ivanovic.

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