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Thibaut Courtois

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9 minutes ago, Spike said:

Or he could be a boring professional and give neutral answers. 'Both defences are very good but also very different. It is a great priveledge to work both with players like Azpilicueta and Vertonghen.' There is a perfect boring answer that can't be taken out of context.

Sure I agree, and you're absolutely right! But don't forget about how the media pushes towards answers.

Tibo conceded 31 goals in 23 of his last official EPL games.

Tibo conceded 10 goals in 23 official NT games.

That's a massive difference. 

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4 minutes ago, Atholy said:

Do you realize there is big difference in what one says to the media and the way it's interpreted?

Courtois said we conceded too many goals at Chelsea (41 until now. Last season only 32!). If the journalist then asks if he prefers the Belgian one above the Chelsea defense... of course he needs to say yes. Do you know he only conceded 10 goals in 23 official games with the NT?! What is he supposed to say? It's just the truth. Although it may sound blunt.. He's just telling the truth.

Lukaku amazingly has the image of having a bad attitude, whilst he's probable one of the most dedicated players out there. He's just ambitious! Always have been and always will. What's wrong if he says he wants to join a big club who plays Champions League?? If Vardy says this... everyone would say: sure, damn right you should!! Well Lukaku is just one goal off Vardy FFS!!

KDB with the bad attitude? Come on, this is just nonsense. He's statistics are off the limit. Even at City! So don't start about 'some' fans who don't want him in the starting XI (maybe 100 out of 50.000?!).

Hazard absolutely had a terrible season! But to say 'he showed his true colours' or he reached his top... is just clear nonsense!

Courtois still is amongst the TOP 3 goalkeepers in the world. We should be very happy he's already a Blue! 

 

Telling the belgian national team are all individuals and no team... is really bullshit. You do know almost half of this guys are youth friends?? Oh no that's right... you just talk without knowing them! Also the fact they would all be primadonnas with a bad attitude... That's just so untrue! All media stories and populistic bullshit from this forum!

And finally, I never called anyone a cunt! So point not taken! 

It's funny though, how only Belgian players are misquoted. Surely something's wrong there.
I was the first to admit Courtois was telling the truth, nonetheless it's just a very stupid thing to say. No need to explain why, also the comments about the training were very stupid.
Lukaku's Ambitious? Nothing wrong. Showing respect and being realistic? No, that's why most people don't like him. Read his dad's latest comments.
KDB lack of work in training just as Hazard's are well knows facts. Wolfsburg's manager mentioned that on a german football show last season. His stats might be impressive, and they are, never questioned his ability, rather his "give me a starting spot because i'm too good" and "everything must go my way" traits make him less alluring as a player. (Just like Lukaku btw)
Fair enough on Hazard, maybe we're being too quick to judge, i doubt it, he never truly convinced, we'll see next season, that is if he doesn't abandon ship.
And did i question Courtois ability overall? If you read carefully, i just said "current form" and still he should shut up.
That's certainly the impression they give out, of course i don't know them. I believe you mentioned a friend of your friend knows Lukaku, fair enough. But what i see with my eyes, on the pitch, and their words, i'm not too overly fond of these players.
The cunt point, was not towards you of course, rather other people.

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Fair play to you Fox. You absolutely have the right not to be fond of these players. I have no problem with that. 

But I do have problems with all the wrong things that are being said, especially here on this forum. Then again... it's just a football forum and there is freedom of speech of course!

Lukaku in Chelsea's fans eyes is just a lost cause... I think I will stop putting effort in this matter :). Same thing with KDB. I think it's a logical thing to do when a 'failed' player is rather successful at his new EPL club.  People who are bashing Eden and Tibo are really getting me mad. They are proven Chelsea players!! Bad season, sure thing. And also Tibo should think twice before saying something. But in all fairness, both his comments on the NT defense and the training sessions are just the truth. 

I don't blame you for not knowing our NT squad details. But you see how easy it is to follow the masses in opinions that are just not true. They are friends, no individuals. 

About Lukaku, it was not a friend of friend that knew him. I actually know him myself from his time at Anderlecht. My best friends dad was the Head of Medical Staff so I witnessed his progression from close range these two seasons and also discovered his 100% professional attitude and endless ambition. This last thing caused all the bad charma because he wants too much to quickly (hence the move to Chelsea at age 19 and wanting to be in the squad!).

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Atholy said:

About Lukaku, it was not a friend of friend that knew him. I actually know him myself from his time at Anderlecht. My best friends dad was the Head of Medical Staff so I witnessed his progression from close range these two seasons and also discovered his 100% professional attitude and endless ambition. This last thing caused all the bad charma because he wants too much to quickly (hence the move to Chelsea at age 19 and wanting to be in the squad!).

 

 

That would certainly explain a lot of things :)
Btw, must be awesome witnessing a pro player progression. :P

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22 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

That would certainly explain a lot of things :)
Btw, must be awesome witnessing a pro player progression. :P

It was amazing. At age 16 he was ripping the Belgian league a part! Topscorer in his first season. Truly mind blowing for a kid his age! On top of that... he was also already a massive bloke. When I was talking to him ... I just felt like a 12 year old boy who needed to go to the gym asap :)

I was amongst the first to know he signed at Chelsea and I was really happy about that! I just knew he would make it at the top. But he was just to eager to prove himself to the world. Couldn't cope with being dropped into the reserves squad week in and out. I know AVB didn't want to take too many risks... with our 50 million star and didier as ST... he was actually fighting a lost battle. Too eager too soon... should've gone from Anderlecht to West Brom instead. He would have gained an extra season in the EPL and let there be no doubt about his goals scoring abilities. I'm happy he can finally prove himself now to the rest of the world. And you can take my word for granted, his attitude really isn't bad. He's just 1000% ambitious and does/says stupids things because of this sometimes. 

Then again... ambitious people (most of the time) always get where they want. I really have no doubt at all Romelu will be an important striker in one of europe's top 5 teams really soon! He just wants it soo badly he will reach it! 

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Imagine calling our one world-class player a "snake" or a "cunt". He's in a bad spell - but so is the entire club. Seems like the fans have moved on from booing Ivanovic, Cesc, and Diego, and chosen Courtois as the new punchbag,

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7 hours ago, BlueLion said:

Imagine calling our one world-class player a "snake" or a "cunt". He's in a bad spell - but so is the entire club. Seems like the fans have moved on from booing Ivanovic, Cesc, and Diego, and chosen Courtois as the new punchbag,

It has nothing to do with his bad form, you obviously haven't read anything posted before. It's to do with his big mouth and lack of respect towards the club and his teammates.

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53 minutes ago, Polo7 said:

It has nothing to do with his bad form, you obviously haven't read anything posted before. It's to do with his big mouth and lack of respect towards the club and his teammates.

I have, and I've commented on it excessively, which leads me to question whether you've read anything posted before.

 

He could have said the politically neutral response of saying "I love playing behind Gary Cahill and Branislav Ivanovic as much as I love playing in my country's backline where I've kept cleansheets in 12 of my last 23 internationals", but that would be both boring and untrue. A goalkeeper is as good as his defence, so it isn't surprising we're making him look like Ross Turnbull. You concede the number of shots and chances we do in a game and you're bound to be low on confidence and thus let in poor shots.

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3 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

I was one of the first people to criticize Thibaut when he started making regular mistakes, and I sure as hell don't like his 'honesty' talking to the media.

BUT this whole debate will look so petty and knee-jerk when Thiabut returns to his usual world-class form next season. He's objectively one of the best young keepers in the world. There is absolutely no reason he won't get over this bad spell and come out stronger from all of this. 

Well one of two things will happen.

1. He will return to form here, and everyone making a hobby of criticising him will sheepishly avoid this thread, already seen it with Cesc and Costa.

2. He will do it at a new club, which will lead to meltdowns on his thread by the same ones that slated him, especially when the penny drops that (while decent) Begovic isn't fit to lace his boots, just like the reality dawned re Remy vs Costa as up to a few months ago some thought the Frenchman wasn't too far behind Diego, if not on par.

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I think Begovic shouldn't be our permanent number 1, but he definetely deserves some games.

It's not like Courtois didn't make any mistakes and Begovic wasn't too bad when he actually played, was he?

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6 minutes ago, Beigl said:

I think Begovic shouldn't be our permanent number 1, but he definetely deserves some games.

It's not like Courtois didn't make any mistakes and Begovic wasn't too bad when he actually played, was he?

Because of Tibo injury he got more than he would have got otherwise.

He didn't do too bad, how good he did depends on how you judge his run in the team, if i judge the spell as a number two filling in then he was as good as you can possibly hope from a back up.

However if I look at it as what it takes to be a number one here, then I wasn't atall convinced, to me he doesn't have that bit extra the world class or even borderline world class keepers have, even Tibo making a few mistakes has been making world class impossible saves Begovic wouldn't have got near, prime example Martial at Stamford Bridge.

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5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Because of Tibo injury he got more than he would have got otherwise.

He didn't do too bad, how good he did depends on how you judge his run in the team, if i judge the spell as a number two filling in then he was as good as you can possibly hope from a back up.

However if I look at it as what it takes to be a number one here, then I wasn't atall convinced, to me he doesn't have that bit extra the world class or even borderline world class keepers have, even Tibo making a few mistakes has been making world class impossible saves Begovic wouldn't have got near, prime example Martial at Stamford Bridge.

Right off the top of my head I remember Asmir pulling off world-class save after save in the game at City (for example, that Agüero shot in the beginning of the game where he had to go down low in a split second after Agüero had turned one of our abysmal CBs). If it wasn't for him we would have lost 7:0 or 8:0 that day. This is in no way an attempt to claim that Begovic is world-class in general but he has those games in him, too. His consistency to give you at least 7/10 performances in 90% of cases puts him near that elite tier of GKs for sure IMO.

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Every top club should have a clear #1 GK and a very decent #2 replacement.

Out of all positions, the GK is the most sensitive to confidence drops. This is why a #1 GK should ALWAYS have the full support of the club & fans! There is no need in questioning him every time 'he could've done more or better'.

We have one of the best GK in the world at the moment... we might as well give him our full support. He can easily be our #1 for 10years, become a Chelsea legend & become the best GK in the world!

IMO the current situation is perfect. Tibo #1 and Asmir as a very very decent back up when needed! 

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Not sure how reliable theweek is, but apparently barcelona are interested in Tibo.. would you guys want to see a Ter Stagen + cash for Tibo deal?

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Hiddink: "I don't know what Courtois said - I haven't read it. He is under contract and I know he and his family like to be in London."

Hiddink: "It's difficult to react to what has been translated or mistranslated. I like to give a comment when I have talked to the player."

Hiddink: "I like also the opinion of the player because sometimes things can be a little miscommunicated and you get a lot of spin."

 

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Because of Tibo injury he got more than he would have got otherwise.

He didn't do too bad, how good he did depends on how you judge his run in the team, if i judge the spell as a number two filling in then he was as good as you can possibly hope from a back up.

However if I look at it as what it takes to be a number one here, then I wasn't atall convinced, to me he doesn't have that bit extra the world class or even borderline world class keepers have, even Tibo making a few mistakes has been making world class impossible saves Begovic wouldn't have got near, prime example Martial at Stamford Bridge.

Sorry for late reply, very much to do currently.

Yeah, like you stated, it's obvious that Courtois is more talented that Begovic and hopefully he will stay with us for many years like Cech did. But I just don't like it when players can't be touched even when underperforming. Look at some our players (for example the guy in my avatar) after September 2010, when they played very bad for months and rested on their laurels but Ancelotti didn't rotate them which ended in a catastrophic season.

So I think we should give Begovic some games, so that Courtois starts to realise that he has to deliver in order to start.

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5 hours ago, Beigl said:

Sorry for late reply, very much to do currently.

Yeah, like you stated, it's obvious that Courtois is more talented that Begovic and hopefully he will stay with us for many years like Cech did. But I just don't like it when players can't be touched even when underperforming. Look at some our players (for example the guy in my avatar) after September 2010, when they played very bad for months and rested on their laurels but Ancelotti didn't rotate them which ended in a catastrophic season.

So I think we should give Begovic some games, so that Courtois starts to realise that he has to deliver in order to start.

To be honest, any other time I would agree a few games out would do him good, and even tho I'm not as big on Begovic as most he is very good cover.

However, righlty or wrongly, dropping Tibo now would only likely to send him to the exit door, and given a lot of fans moan about short sighted, losing a world class keeper because we dropped him when we have nothing to play for would take short sightedness to whole new dimensions.

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