Stamford Bridge Thread

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Exciting news, just a bit.. hmm.. not worried but concerned as the area is really a limiting factor us. The real estate around SB is an absolute fortune, let alone the compensation costs the club would have to pay the borough or basically do something for the council to compensate.

Be great if we can extend to 60k though.

The allianz, what a stadium. I'd love it if we can light the stadium!

Allianz Arena landed in the middle of nowhere like a spaceship though..

Doubt we could do the same in a residential area, for the reasons aforementioned.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-birds-nest-architects-build-new-stamford-155930746--sow.html

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^ That would be the equivalent of Mr Burns blocking out the sun for the people of Springfield in that Simpsons episode.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-birds-nest-architects-build-new-stamford-155930746--sow.html

We should ask Messi if this kind of stadium fits him, or maybe a Camp Newesque design is better for him.

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https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-birds-nest-architects-build-new-stamford-155930746--sow.html

Why in the world would we build something that hideous?!

[supporter 3,088]

I think that maybe we should ask us to change the location of Stamford Bridge. I'm not saying we have to move, but maybe it's a good possibility to think about building a new stadium, with much larger capacity and where we can create commercial places in the new stadium and build a great museum our history. We are the first and only team in the City of London which has won the Champions League.

I understand it is emocionamente difficult to talk about this. For me it is also difficult to think of this, but if we want to compete with Real Madrid, Bayern and Barcelona, we have to obtain new economic income.

This is a very difficult subject to talk, Stamford Bridge is part of our history, we are the Stamford Bridge, but think about a change could give us the opportunity to improve our own history.

I remember the project of building a new stadium at Battersea Power Station (I think that possibility is totally discarded by the club, but I do not know if it's safe). But focusing on the architecture of the proposed stadium at Battersea Power Station was beautiful and with a similar culture to the English style buildings, so if we we did a new field, we, in my opinion, maybe we could mimic the type architecture Battersea Power Station and become the new Stamford Bridge part of the reference buildings in London.

I live in Madrid, and perfectly know the Santiago Bernabeu stadium of Real Madrid. This stadium is a real moneymaking machine. The Santiago Bernabeu has many of the most important restaurants in Madrid, an impressive museum (which is visited each year by 1 million people and is a tourist reference) with a tour of the entire field which is great and they have a capacity 81,000 seats.

But Real Madrid will rebuild their country and they will make a real revolution, which will make them earn them three times as many each year in economic income the amount they win now with their stadium. Its revenues are going to shoot and economic performance that they will take to rebuild their stadium will be spectacular.

In Spain the legal norms in construction of buildings are not like in England and in Spain is much easier to rebuild the Santiago Bernabeu stadium. That is why they do not have to change the location of the stadium Santiago Bernabeu.

I leave you a video of the new stadium if anyone wants to comment on this topic. I believe that the Financial Fair Play can destroy us if we do not make changes in our Club.

I know this topic is a very sensitive issue for any fan of Chelsea, but I think we all could speak quietly.

I hope I have spoken without offending anyone.

Regards.

[We Hate Scouse 10,327]

supporter, the only issue is that there is very limited space to move in London to accommodate us. Our options are very limited and as football fans are very territorial. If Chelsea were to move to North or East London a lot of fans would be furious and the Chelsea Pitch Owners wouldn't allow such a move. (If we were to move without the CPO's permission we would be forced to change our name from Chelsea FC.)

There are only about 2-3 feasible locations that we could move to, but we'd have to act fast. Many sites in London are quickly being acquired as the development and property market is booming.

There was talk that if we were to move from Stamford Bridge that the stadium itself could sell for up to £1 billion due to the location. That in itself would completely fund a new state of the art 60k stadium and we'd still have profit.

It'll be interesting to see how it develops as something is bound to happen soon.

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supporter, the only issue is that there is very limited space to move in London to accommodate us. Our options are very limited and as football fans are very territorial. If Chelsea were to move to North or East London a lot of fans would be furious and the Chelsea Pitch Owners wouldn't allow such a move. (If we were to move without the CPO's permission we would be forced to change our name from Chelsea FC.)

There are only about 2-3 feasible locations that we could move to, but we'd have to act fast. Many sites in London are quickly being acquired as the development and property market is booming.

There was talk that if we were to move from Stamford Bridge that the stadium itself could sell for up to £1 billion due to the location. That in itself would completely fund a new state of the art 60k stadium and we'd still have profit.

It'll be interesting to see how it develops as something is bound to happen soon.

Thank you very much for your information, We Hate Scouse.

If I do not live in London and I know well the London culture (I think that to know the culture of a city or country, you have to live there a long time). Sounds complicated this issue, and certainly build a new stadium in a big city is practically impossible.

I hope and believe that Roman Abramovich and his advisers know how to manage change of the property market which is undergoing a big change now in London by what you have told me.

In Spain happened something very similar to this, early last decade one house could cost € 200,000 and a year later that same house cost € 1 million, and only two years later that same house was going to cost € 100,000. There were people who were ruined for that reason and others have become millionaires.

Maybe our team is waiting for the most opportune moment to make this great operation.

Thanks for the info, it's very interesting to learn more About London culture and About London.

Regards.

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supporter, the only issue is that there is very limited space to move in London to accommodate us. Our options are very limited and as football fans are very territorial. If Chelsea were to move to North or East London a lot of fans would be furious and the Chelsea Pitch Owners wouldn't allow such a move. (If we were to move without the CPO's permission we would be forced to change our name from Chelsea FC.)

There are only about 2-3 feasible locations that we could move to, but we'd have to act fast. Many sites in London are quickly being acquired as the development and property market is booming.

There was talk that if we were to move from Stamford Bridge that the stadium itself could sell for up to £1 billion due to the location. That in itself would completely fund a new state of the art 60k stadium and we'd still have profit.

It'll be interesting to see how it develops as something is bound to happen soon.

Your Source?

[We Hate Scouse 10,327]

Your Source?

No, it's been in the news over the past few years. The club have constantly made it clear they either want to expand (if possible) or move. The fact they now have architects in means news is pretty imminent. I'd expect to hear something before the start of next season.

[strong centreback 157]

I wouldnt be against chelsea moving to kingston/esher that kind of way as a last resort to be honest, affluent up market and probably the second best place to be if sw6 is ruled out as a complete impossibility to rebuild, I have a feeling we are gonna try and do a complete rebuild of the ground and if the council cant make good on its promise to help the club expand then we are gonna be looking at where to move after that, as the club wont give up on expanding and as far as im concerned I do not want to move from upmarket to anywhere else unless it is upmarket, thats part of our tradition/dna/history what ever you want to call it, its also close to where the club chose to build our state of the art training facility, and there is plenty of easily bought land to build a new ground on.

[We Hate Scouse 10,327]

I wouldnt be against chelsea moving to kingston/esher that kind of way as a last resort to be honest, affluent up market and probably the second best place to be if sw6 is ruled out as a complete impossibility to rebuild, I have a feeling we are gonna try and do a complete rebuild of the ground and if the council cant make good on its promise to help the club expand then we are gonna be looking at where to move after that, as the club wont give up on expanding and as far as im concerned I do not want to move from upmarket to anywhere else unless it is upmarket, thats part of our tradition/dna/history what ever you want to call it, its also close to where the club chose to build our state of the art training facility, and there is plenty of easily bought land to build a new ground on.

Wouldn't be such a bad thing moving into Surrey at all. Majority of people support Chelsea, there's plenty of vacant land, plenty of railway that we could link up to and build a new station specifically for the club and there's no other teams based there.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

I wouldnt be against chelsea moving to kingston/esher that kind of way as a last resort to be honest, affluent up market and probably the second best place to be if sw6 is ruled out as a complete impossibility to rebuild, I have a feeling we are gonna try and do a complete rebuild of the ground and if the council cant make good on its promise to help the club expand then we are gonna be looking at where to move after that, as the club wont give up on expanding and as far as im concerned I do not want to move from upmarket to anywhere else unless it is upmarket, thats part of our tradition/dna/history what ever you want to call it, its also close to where the club chose to build our state of the art training facility, and there is plenty of easily bought land to build a new ground on.

I'd be in favour of that too. I'd love the club to have the room, and the planning permission, to build a prestige stadium which excites fans and players alike. I get the feeling that whatever we do at The Bridge would be no better than a serious compromise.

Out in the Kingston area transport is already good with rail links, many bus routes and the A3 & A24 linking with each other as well as with the M25. There might also be the opportunity for the club to build a dedicated branch extension of the tram service which currently runs between Wimbledon and Croydon. Lot's of political support for the Greens in that area and they'd probably love stuff like that.

One question in my mind though, is there really the room out there for building? I thought the restrictions were quite tight there too.

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Wouldn't be such a bad thing moving into Surrey at all. Majority of people support Chelsea, there's plenty of vacant land, plenty of railway that we could link up to and build a new station specifically for the club and there's no other teams based there.

I'd be in favour of that too. I'd love the club to have the room, and the planning permission, to build a prestige stadium which excites fans and players alike. I get the feeling that whatever we do at The Bridge would be no better than a serious compromise.

Out in the Kingston area transport is already good with rail links, many bus routes and the A3 & A24 linking with each other as well as with the M25. There might also be the opportunity for the club to build a dedicated branch extension of the tram service which currently runs between Wimbledon and Croydon. Lot's of political support for the Greens in that area and they'd probably love stuff like that.

One question in my mind though, is there really the room out there for building? I thought the restrictions were quite tight there too.

The problem is.. Chelsea Pitch Owners, right?

[We Hate Scouse 10,327]

I'd be in favour of that too. I'd love the club to have the room, and the planning permission, to build a prestige stadium which excites fans and players alike. I get the feeling that whatever we do at The Bridge would be no better than a serious compromise.

Out in the Kingston area transport is already good with rail links, good bus services, the A3 & A24 linking with each other as well as the M25 plus the opportunity for the club to build a dedicated branch extension of the tram service which currently runs between Wimbledon and Croydon. Lot's of political support for the Greens in that area and they'd probably love stuff like that.

One question in my mind though, is there really the room out there for building? I thought the restrictions were quite tight there too.

Kingston would be difficult, we should buy those horrible tower blocks and knock them down. That'd be nice.

We'd most likely have to move further out to Tolworth/Epsom/Chessington way.

[We Hate Scouse 10,327]

The problem is.. Chelsea Pitch Owners, right?

Exactly, any move needs to be approved by them. If they don't approve and we still move Chelsea FC will be no longer and we'll have to rename to something like AFC Chelsea or Chelsea Athletic or some pony name like that.

I don't think the CPO would win a vote this time around though. Last time hundreds of shares were bought by club members to vote in favour of the move and the move was rejected by just under 15% IIRC

The club know how many more they need to buy now and I imagine the move this time around would be approved.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

The problem is.. Chelsea Pitch Owners, right?

Well, let's not forget that 61% voted in favour of selling their shares to the club in 2011 and did so in full expectation that this would eventually lead to the club relocating. Granted we're now talking about moving further away from SB than was imagined at the time, but the size of that vote suggests people could be open to persuasion if a good case is made.

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Exactly, any move needs to be approved by them. If they don't approve and we still move Chelsea FC will be no longer and we'll have to rename to something like AFC Chelsea or Chelsea Athletic or some pony name like that.

I don't think the CPO would win a vote this time around though. Last time hundreds of shares were bought by club members to vote in favour of the move and the move was rejected by just under 15% IIRC

The club know how many more they need to buy now and I imagine the move this time around would be approved.

Probably another black mark on Ron Gourlay too.

I do think you're right though, they'll have to have recognised now that for Chelsea to keep growing it requires larger streams of revenue.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

Exactly, any move needs to be approved by them. If they don't approve and we still move Chelsea FC will be no longer and we'll have to rename to something like AFC Chelsea or Chelsea Athletic or some pony name like that.

I don't think the CPO would win a vote this time around though. Last time hundreds of shares were bought by club members to vote in favour of the move and the move was rejected by just under 15% IIRC

The club know how many more they need to buy now and I imagine the move this time around would be approved.

The move just couldn't happen without CPO agreement, full stop. Without that agreement the land at SB could not be sold/used for redevelopment. Without that income to fund the new development, the whole scheme would be an economic non starter. Mind you this might put The CPO under serious financial pressure. They already can't repay their debt, I don't see who they could reasonably expect to sell many more shares to if the club moved out.

Although Chelsea Holdings wouldn't admit it, I don't doubt that the economics of the whole thing weigh heavy among the reasons the club would probably prefer to relocate rather than rebuild. Since the costs of a new stadium, on a new site, can be offset, or even covered entirely, by the profits from redeveloping The Bridge, moving is actually likely to be much cheaper. Perhaps to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds. That, plus the possibility of creating a super new home which will serve the club for the next fifty years, at a super new site where we could be based into the distant future, sells me on the move. I know I'm in a minority on this however.

[strong centreback 157]

Well the thing is with the cpo how water tight is it exactly? To us mere mortals we expect it to be just, to Bruce buck an acquisitions lawyer and the rest of Romans legal dept I'm sure a loophole has been found and NOT exploited yet, it would look terrible if the club didn't liase withe cpo bad pr, but crucially I think if it came to it they could do something, I'd imagine it would be to do with the cpo not servicing the debt and forcing them to liquidate the company.

The cpo is a complicated business as they don't own the ground just the land it's on and I'm sure the name change thing won't fly either if challenged enough in court, I don't want to make out that the cpo has less power than it thinks but I'm pretty sure most of not all points will be able to be challenged and won by the club if they really wanted to go down that route.