didierforever 7,349 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The England national team fascinates me. Here is how I'd manage the bastards:Starting XILallana - Rooney - WalcottGerrard - CarrickBarryBaines - Smalling - Jones - ChambersForster BenchHartShawJagielkaMilnerBarkleyLambertSturridgeReservesRuddyCahillJohnsonLampardRodriguez smalling ahead of cahill and carrick ahead of lamps in the box to box role would be my only doubts cos smalling sucks and carrick is far too immobile for that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 smalling ahead of cahill and carrick ahead of lamps in the box to box role would be my only doubts cos smalling sucks and carrick is far too immobile for that role.I picked Smalling because he has played with Jones a lot.Nobody said anything about Carrick being in the B2B role... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The England national team fascinates me. Here is how I'd manage the bastards:Starting XILallana - Rooney - WalcottGerrard - CarrickBarryBaines - Smalling - Jones - ChambersForster Barry shouldn't get anyway near England again after South Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Barry shouldn't get anyway near England again after South Africa. He has been pretty good for Everton. I couldn't think of any decent DM that could play over him. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 He has been pretty good for Everton. I couldn't think of any decent DM that could play over him.I'd probably go for something like this at Brazil Hart Baines - Jones - Cahil - Johnson Gerrard - Wilshere - Barkley/Henderson Llana - Rooney - Townsend/Sturridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'd probably go for something like this at Brazil Hart Baines - Jones - Cahil - Johnson Gerrard - Wilshere - Barkley/Henderson Llana - Rooney - Townsend/Sturridge Maybe that would work. Johnson and Hart have been fucking awful though. Even Liverpool fans are sick of Johnson.I forgot about Wilshere to be honest. Maybe I could move Carrick to the DM spot and replace Barry with Wilshere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I picked Smalling because he has played with Jones a lot.Nobody said anything about Carrick being in the B2B role...Smalling might have played a lot with jones, but that hardly makes up for his shitiness. You have lined up in a 4-3-3 which has barry in it who can play nothing else than a DM, so by default gerrard and the other midfielder get more mobile. Otherwise it would be the same story for these guys as was against germany, sitting too deep and simply no transitiom from defence to attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Maybe that would work. Johnson and Hart have been fucking awful though. Even Liverpool fans are sick of Johnson.I forgot about Wilshere to be honest. Maybe I could move Carrick to the DM spot and replace Barry with Wilshere.Yer i'd stick with Hart for this tournament at least. I think his dip in form was slightly over-hyped. I'm not a massive fan of Johnson but I'm not going to lie don't think i've ever heard of Chambers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yer i'd stick with Hart for this tournament at least. I think his dip in form was slightly over-hyped. I'm not a massive fan of Johnson but I'm not going to lie don't think i've ever heard of Chambers. He is the RB equivalent of Shaw that hasn't been hyped to fuck. Plays for Soton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Smalling might have played a lot with jones, but that hardly makes up for his shitiness.You have lined up in a 4-3-3 which has barry in it who can play nothing else than a DM, so by default gerrard and the other midfielder get more mobile. Otherwise it would be the same story for these guys as was against germany, sitting too deep and simply no transitiom from defence to attack.Immobility doesn't equate to sitting deep and no transition. Gerrard and Carrick have immense passing range that gets around their immobility.Xavi, Alonso and Busquets isn't the most mobile midfield in the world. But it seemed to work well enough for a World Cup and a Euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Immobility doesn't equate to sitting deep and no transition. Gerrard and Carrick have immense passing range that gets around their immobility.Xavi, Alonso and Busquets isn't the most mobile midfield in the world. But it seemed to work well enough for a World Cup and a Euro.Seriously? Comparing the english mid to spain's. Well the difference would be that barry is not half the player xabi/busquets is. Lalana is compared to iniesta here, walcott is compared to silva/fab. And the worst thing is that while the spanish play tiki-taka to perfection I don't expect england to win the posession stat against any team even in the group stages. Also do not forget that spain had a brilliant defense to accompany their mid, that's hardly what u can say about england's defence. Carrick and gerrard might be great passers of the ball but I think so is frank plus he is a thousand times greater threat to the opposition goal than carrick is plus would definitely give the team a lot more than carrick playing in that mid field 3. I think even walcott would be a better option thab him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,494 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The England national team fascinates me. Here is how I'd manage the bastards:Starting XILallana - Rooney - WalcottGerrard - CarrickBarryBaines - Smalling - Jones - ChambersForster Cahill-Jagielka in defence. Sturridge instead of Walcott since he's injured. but yeah, this looks a lot better than the actual team with Johnson, Welbeck etc Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Seriously? Comparing the english mid to spain's. Well the difference would be that barry is not half the player xabi/busquets is. Lalana is compared to iniesta here, walcott is compared to silva/fab. And the worst thing is that while the spanish play tiki-taka to perfection I don't expect england to win the posession stat against any team even in the group stages.Also do not forget that spain had a brilliant defense to accompany their mid, that's hardly what u can say about england's defence.Carrick and gerrard might be great passers of the ball but I think so is frank plus he is a thousand times greater threat to the opposition goal than carrick is plus would definitely give the team a lot more than carrick playing in that mid field 3. I think even walcott would be a better option thab him.I didn't compare. If you actually read my post you will notice that I never actually compared the two sides. I merely stated the immobility does not equate to a stagnate midfield and I used Spain's midfield as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Cahill-Jagielka in defence. Sturridge instead of Walcott since he's injured. but yeah, this looks a lot better than the actual team with Johnson, Welbeck etcCahill-Jagielka could work. I suppose it's probably better than Smalling - Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I didn't compare. If you actually read my post you will notice that I never actually compared the two sides. I merely stated the immobility does not equate to a stagnate midfield and I used Spain's midfield as an example.well, you used an example to do what? prove a point, right? but using spain's midfield as an example here could not be more inappropriate. the approach to the game that these 2 teams have could not be more different. also spain's team in WC did lack mobility. and that was one of the reasons that they scored 8 goals (i think) in the whole of WC. and like i said before their success had a lot to do with a solid defence which england dont have. add to that the fact that the english mid wont have 10% of the understanding and the overall passing ability that the spanish team have (dont forget that spain literally play 4-6-0 sometimes and each and every1 of those midfield players is a great passer of the ball), i just doubt if the example is a valid one here. anyways, getting too off-topic and off the original point. i just simply cant see the benefit of playing carrick in THAT role (DM i can totally understand) instead of lamps. specially since a 35 year old lamps still has the legs on a 31 year old carrick, has as good a passing ability and definitely is a far greater goal threat (which would be very useful since i cant see where england's goals would come from). so lets just agree to disagree about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,510 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The England national team fascinates me. Here is how I'd manage the bastards:Starting XILallana - Rooney - WalcottGerrard - CarrickBarryBaines - Smalling - Jones - ChambersForsterI think this would be a much more realistic English lineup for Brazil:Starting XILallana - Rooney - Sterling/LennonGerrard - WilshereBarryBaines - Cahill - Jags - WalkerForster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 well, you used an example to do what? prove a point, right? but using spain's midfield as an example here could not be more inappropriate. the approach to the game that these 2 teams have could not be more different. also spain's team in WC did lack mobility. and that was one of the reasons that they scored 8 goals (i think) in the whole of WC. and like i said before their success had a lot to do with a solid defence which england dont have. add to that the fact that the english mid wont have 10% of the understanding and the overall passing ability that the spanish team have (dont forget that spain literally play 4-6-0 sometimes and each and every1 of those midfield players is a great passer of the ball), i just doubt if the example is a valid one here. anyways, getting too off-topic and off the original point. i just simply cant see the benefit of playing carrick in THAT role (DM i can totally understand) instead of lamps. specially since a 35 year old lamps still has the legs on a 31 year old carrick, has as good a passing ability and definitely is a far greater goal threat (which would be very useful since i cant see where england's goals would come from). so lets just agree to disagree about it. Playing Gerrard, Carrick and Barry together are just overkill. I probably will drop either Carrick or Barry and play either lamp/Wilshere. Playing sturidge on the wing is just suicide because he does not want to track back, losing Walcott is a big loss imo Bir_CFC and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Playing Gerrard, Carrick and Barry together are just overkill. I probably will drop either Carrick or Barry and play either lamp/Wilshere.Playing sturidge on the wing is just suicide because he does not want to track back, losing Walcott is a big loss imototally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Intresting accents lolYea you should check his channel out! It's incredible. Saw his video on Sir Alex's retirement and he has brilliant Mourinho videos! (Loved the one where Mourinho rings Moyes after the Everton game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 MotD is such a joke. Watching the highlights of Stoke Man Utd, they made Man utd look better than they were.Not the first time their highlights are biased as hell. I remember watching it after a very good performance by us and they were making the match looked much more even than it was. NishC300 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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