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[gdlk 272]

Totenhams team play is way better than our madness

[DH1988 1,331]

7 minutes ago, gdlk said:

Totenhams team play is way better than our madness

Low bar.

[Vesper 29,197]

great outcome for us

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19 minutes ago, Strike said:

From where did Spurs unearth Udogie and Porro ? They’re both great 

I was pushing for Destiny as a drop down from Nuno Mendes, Alphonso Davies

Porro is better than I thought except his defence is weak

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15 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I was pushing for Destiny as a drop down from Nuno Mendes, Alphonso Davies

Porro is better than I thought except his defence is weak

Destiny is quality would have been nice to have him on our left and gusto on the right. So dynamic attacking and defending

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11 hours ago, Vesper said:

Dai Yongge is a POS.

Goddamn shame what Reading is going through. 153 seasons of football and some crim is flushing them down the shitter. I would rebel too.

Surely there must be some rich Brit who could bale them out. Great location, just west of London, decent 24,500 seater stadium. Loyal AF fanbase. 

Absolutely. Been there a few times its definitely PL ready, and also bit of a soft spot for them as we had one of best ever players from there

Mr Kerry Dixon

Absolute scenes scoring at the Clock End

 

[Reddish-Blue 2,396]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

From where did Spurs unearth Udogie and Porro ? They’re both great 

Think Udogie was brought in by Conte before he parted ways with Spurs

Porro was quality for Sporting, sort of surprised other clubs didn't go in for him as a RWB. 

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Absolutely. Been there a few times its definitely PL ready, and also bit of a soft spot for them as we had one of best ever players from there

Mr Kerry Dixon

Absolute scenes scoring at the Clock End

 

[Vesper 29,197]

50 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Think Udogie was brought in by Conte before he parted ways with Spurs

Porro was quality for Sporting, sort of surprised other clubs didn't go in for him as a RWB. 

Pedro Porro slammed after Tottenham debut as Tim Sherwood questions Daniel Levy: ‘So bad it’s unbelievable’

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/pedro-porro-tim-sherwood-daniel-levy-tottenham-signing-b1059835.html

13 FEBRUARY 2023

Tim Sherwood claimed Tottenham’s new signing Pedro Porro “doesn’t want to defend” as he slammed the wing-back’s display on debut against Leicester.

Spurs spent the entirety of the January transfer window chasing the 23-year-old, with negotiations dragging on before a deal was eventually agreed late on deadline day.

Porro had to wait for his debut, after Emerson Royal got the nod last week against Manchester City and produced one of the best performances of his Spurs career.

That was still not enough for the Brazilian to keep his play though, as Porro came into the side for the trip to Leicester on Antonio Conte’s return to the touchline.

It proved to be a miserable debut for the defender, who was run ragged by the likes of Harvey Barnes and James Maddison. Spurs fell to a 4-1 defeat at the King Power, bringing a swift end to any momentum picked up against City.

Former Spurs boss Sherwood was less than impressed with what he saw from Porro.

“I don’t want to keep picking on the kid but he needs to be relieved of his duties at the moment,” Sherwood told Sky Sports during the match.

“I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt because it’s his debut but Pedro Porro is so bad it’s unbelievable.

“His positioning is absolutely disgusting, Barnes and Maddison are destroying him down the left hand side. He’s just ran inside him, he hasn’t even seen him, he gets the ball played in and lets him run inside him.”

Sherwood also took aim at Daniel Levy, as he already questioned the decision to spend in the region of £40million on Porro.

“Daniel Levy said this week they’ve spent a lot of money, yes they have, but their recruitment has been very, very poor and this is the latest addition,” he continued.

“Let’s not make any conclusions yet, but what I’m looking at is a player who doesn’t want to defend, Conte has complained about the defending and this player is struggling to defend, very disappointing.”

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• The Premier League’s Player of the Month for December is Dominic Solanke.

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[robsblubot 3,580]

9 hours ago, Strike said:

Werner is just as we remember him 

He is and yet he helped his team got a point at SB. So, not really sure what we are celebrating here. For me warts and all, he's still twice the player Mudryk is, esp in tight contested matches like this. Yeah, we all want to know what Nkunku can do, but it is Mudryk who ends up playing, not Nkunku.

Edited January 15, 2024 by robsblubot

[Strike 7,298]

59 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

He is and yet he helped his team got a point at SB. So, not really sure what we are celebrating here. For me warts and all, he's still twice the player Mudryk is, esp in tight contested matches like this. Yeah, we all want to know what Nkunku can do, but it is Mudryk who ends up playing, not Nkunku.

I think Nkunku is not playing because he's injured again - hip injury. I doubt Mudryk would play over Nkunku at any point. 

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9 hours ago, Vesper said:

• The Premier League’s Player of the Month for December is Dominic Solanke.

• 

It's a shame he didn't get to play much for Chelsea, definitely the best finisher we had in the academy in the past few years. 

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Nottingham Forest and Everton face points deduction after Premier League spending breach charges

Forest understood to have made losses in excess of £105m over three years, while Everton face new penalty after previous points deduction

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/15/nottingham-forest-everton-premier-league-charged-points/

Nottingham Forest and Everton have been hit with new Premier League charges for allegedly breaching financial regulations.

 

With Everton already fighting to overturn a separate 10-point deduction, the crisis-hit club now face the prospect of being docked again.

 

Both clubs, however, believe they have strong cases to fight the prospect of fresh penalties under the new fast-track punishment model. Everton, who are already fighting to get their current sanctions overturned, believe their imminent appeal hearing will effectively render the new charge groundless.

 

They have already argued any overspend was due to loan repayment costs that were entirely incurred from stadium development costs.

 

Forest, meanwhile, will argue for dispensation to include profits from the sale of Brennan Johnson two months after the end of the period in question.

 

Both clubs were informed just hours before the official announcement that they were facing charges.

 

During talks between the league and the clubs, Forest are understood to have confirmed they were effectively in breach of rules which allow losses of £105 million across three years.

 

Only the “most exceptional cases”, including the 115 charges facing Manchester City, are exempt from new Premier League rules that any club charged with a standard financial rule breach must be completed within 12 weeks.

 

The new rules compelled Everton, Forest and all other clubs to file 2022-23 accounts by December 31, instead of March under the old rules.

 

Their defences have already been prepared by top lawyers as beleaguered club executives are now referred to an independent commission.

 

In Everton’s case, stadium costs rather than player trading will be cited as the root cause of the overspend.

 

The club’s net spend on players among teams has been among the lowest in the Premier League for consecutive years.

 

Everton sold the likes of Richarlison and Anthony Gordon, but the cost of their new £550 million ground at Bramley-Moore Dock is blamed within the club for pushing them over the edge.

 

Allowable stadium costs have been a matter of fierce debate between Everton and the Premier League for years.

 

When the club was hit with a 10-point deduction for the previous cycle, a major factor in the league’s case was that loans were working capital needs, which are not deductible. 

 

Everton will continue to maintain, however, that these payments should be classified as infrastructure costs and therefore excluded.

 

Although infrastructure costs are generally not applicable to Premier League profit and loss calculations, the competition has previously claimed associated loans at Everton could not be discounted.

 

Forest, meanwhile, have enlisted leading sports lawyer Nick De Marco as they attempt to avoid becoming the third top-flight club to be punished over alleged breaches.

 

A total of 30 new players arrived in the season after Forest secured promotion to the Premier League in 2022, ending an absence of 23 years from the top division.

 

The team’s record signing had been Morgan Gibbs-White from Wolves at £25 million, which increased to £30 million when the club avoided relegation.

 

Other significant buys included Taiwo Awoniyi (£17.5 million from Union Berlin), Neco Williams (£17 million from Liverpool) and Danilo (£16 million from Palmeiras).

 

Yet it was the signings of free agent Jesse Lingard (who was earning a basic £80,000 a week before bonuses), Paris St-Germain goalkeeper Keylor Navas and a litany of players who never featured which appeared to be calculated, yet expensive, gambles.

 

Clubs are permitted to make financial losses of £105 million over a three-year period, with Forest reporting an annual loss of £45.6 million in their last accounts. In the previous year, ending June 2021, they recorded a loss of £34.4 million, reduced to a loss before tax of £15.5 million.

 

In providing Forest’s defence sports lawyer De Marco will focus on the sale of Johnson to Tottenham, as Telegraph Sport reported on January 2.

Johnson was sold for £47.5 million on deadline day – a record sale for the club – and Forest will insist that they would have received a far lower fee if they had accepted an offer earlier in the summer.

 

Brentford failed with two offers of £30 million and £35 million for the Wales international in June and July respectively.

 

Sources close to Everton also maintain privately that they believe the Merseyside club are within this year’s limits. The club is also still waiting to find out whether its proposed takeover by 777 Partners is to get the green light.

 

At Goodison Park, the departure of £250,000-a-week James Rodríguez had been a major relief for the wage bill as he left the club in the autumn of 2021.

 

Over the ensuing year, Richarlison was sold to Tottenham for around £50 million, while Gordon fetched more than £40 million from Newcastle.

 

However, Amadou Onana, Dwight McNeil and Neal Maupay arrived for multi-million pound fees, and there were other unforeseen factors in the last campaign that caused headaches.

 

Everton’s original deduction centred on interest payable on loans to build their new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. The club calculated £18 million headroom within spending limits, but the Premier League argued they had overspent by £7.9 million.

 

To offset costs amid a global spending squeeze since, sanctions brought against then sponsor Alisher Usmanov in March 2022 may have proven costly last season. That said, Everton did secure their biggest sponsorship deal to date in June 2022.

 

To offset some of those losses, Everton secured a “club record main partner agreement” with Stake.com, the online casino, in June 2022.

 

Everton were handed the biggest punishment in Premier League history by an independent commission in December.

 

They have appealed against the decision to dock them 10 points, which will be heard and concluded before the end of the season.

 

There is deep resentment behind the scenes at smaller clubs around the rapid punishments facing the likes of Forest and Everton while bigger clubs still await their fate in connection with more complex cases.

 

Manchester City were charged in February with 115 alleged breaches and that case remains ongoing with the club strongly denying the charges.

 

Chelsea are also being investigated after referring evidence to the Premier League in connection with transfer deals struck during the Roman Abramovich era.

 

Forest are currently 15th in the Premier League, while Everton are a point and a place above the relegation zone.

[DDA 9,727]

So we haven't broke the FFP rules for last year which is great news and apparently we could avoid any points reduction due to the rules being broken under Romans stewardship.

[robsblubot 3,580]

On 14/01/2024 at 21:11, Strike said:

I think Nkunku is not playing because he's injured again - hip injury. I doubt Mudryk would play over Nkunku at any point. 

Agreed, but that was my point: for whatever reason, Nkunku does NOT play and has not played for us this season yet...we are in January! He has only had short cameos--perhaps a full half? The options available is also quality in a team, not just its starting XI.
We can question Werner, Mount, and Pulisic, who were hardly world beaters, but together they offered good options on the left--different characteristics too! Pulisic and Mount more mercurial (former even more so), while Werner was that consistent 6.5-7 rating.

For me the drastic drop in quality is fairly palpable, esp on the wings. Madueke for ex IMO wouldn't sit on the bench for any top PL club.

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