The English Football Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Tbh we also played a lot without one. Lukaku and Werner are the only ones in the squad.

But they don't have one, period. 

We have those 2 plus Havertz, who Tuchel considers as a #9. 

[Laylabelle 9,754]

3 minutes ago, Jase said:

Another team suddenly having COVID cases after playing us recently - Leeds, Everton, Wolves. 

Yeah thats true! 

Crazy..least it seems learnt lesson from the Watford Burnley game and giving fans notice rather rather 2 hours before..

[Vesper 31,181]

2021-22 English Premier League

Brighton & Hove Albion           
Brentford                                    

http://www.sportnews.to/sports/2021/premier-league-brighton-hove-albion-vs-brentford-s1/

https://www.totalsportek.com/brighton-hove-albion-one/

[Blue Armour 4,759]

Arsenal in good form.

I hope for once these guys can turn up against a top side and nick points off them. Home game too, so no excuses.

[Mário César 1,525]

16 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Arsenal in good form.

I hope for once these guys can turn up against a top side and nick points off them. Home game too, so no excuses.

and they will not play against wolves. so more time to rest their players

[LAM09 7,100]

11 hours ago, Jase said:

But they don't have one, period. 

We have those 2 plus Havertz, who Tuchel considers as a #9. 

I'd count Jesus as a number 9.

[Jase 43,479]

25 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I'd count Jesus as a number 9.

I would too but then Guardiola has been playing him on the RW as well.

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4 hours ago, Jase said:

I would too but then Guardiola has been playing him on the RW as well.

Pep plays players in positions no other manager does

his brain is at a different level

and he is a gambler, a big one

Edited December 27, 2021 by Vesper

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Vesper said:

Pep plays players in positions no other manager does

his brain is at a different level

and he is a gambler, a big one

Well, Tuchel does that a bit too but to not great effect. 

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1 minute ago, Jase said:

Well, Tuchel does that a bit too but to not great effect. 

we simply are not even close to the attacking talent Citeh, Bayern, and Pool (albeit less depth than those other two) have

PSG should be there, but they have injuries and I am not convinced on Poch

no one else does

RM is a really a solid team BUT they have such little depth up front,

take away Vinicius and especially Benz (the single most important one player to a team on the planet), they are FUCKED

 

Manure looks super on paper, but in practice they have been a mess

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

we simply are not even close to the attacking talent Citeh, Bayern, and Pool (albeit less depth than those other two) have

Kinda disagree. On paper, we have the talent to rival those teams but on the pitch, for one reason or another, they aren't performing to a high level that they can or should be. 

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@Jase

Bayern attackers

Marcel Sabitzer    
Jamal Musiala   
Leroy Sané   
Serge Gnabry   
Kingsley Coman  
Thomas Müller   
Robert Lewandowski  
Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (injured atm, before you laugh, he has 8 goals and 3 assists in only 248 minutes, granted 4 goals on 90 minutes against a shit Bremen team, but still has 4 other league (3) and CL (1) goals in only 150 minutes)

 

Citeh attackers

Phil Foden   
Ilkay Gündogan   
Kevin De Bruyne   
Bernardo Silva 
Raheem Sterling    
Jack Grealish  
Ferran Torres  (soon gone it looks like) 
Riyad Mahrez    
Kayky   
Gabriel Jesus  

 

madness

Edited April 25, 2022 by Vesper

[Vesper 31,181]

22 minutes ago, Jase said:

Kinda disagree. On paper, we have the talent to rival those teams but on the pitch, for one reason or another, they aren't performing to a high level that they can or should be. 

disagree

Mason Mount   (not a huge scorer)
Kai Havertz   
Hakim Ziyech   (has moments, but he has NEVER come close to the Ajax days)
Christian Pulisic   (has overall been a bust IMHO)
Callum Hudson-Odoi   (has his moments but is hardly a consistent scorer at all)
Romelu Lukaku   
Timo Werner  

 

we have overrated players (atm) for the most part who never put up big EPL numbers other than Rom at times, and the big dig on him was he feasted on poor teams

Werner presents problems with his deep runs, but he is terrible shooter

Kai is arguably our best offensive player, but has yet to truly explode

 

RLC and Barkley are CMF's with poor, poor end product when they play advanced roles

Edited December 27, 2021 by Vesper

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

disagree

Mason Mount   (not a huge scorer)
Kai Havertz   
Hakim Ziyech   (has moments, but he has NEVER come close to the Ajax days)
Christian Pulisic   (has overall been a bust IMHO)
Callum Hudson-Odoi   (has his moments but is hardly a consistent scorer at all)
Romelu Lukaku   
Timo Werner  

 

we have overrated players (atm) for the most part who never put up big EPL numbers other than Rom at times, and the big dig on him was he feasted on poor teams

Werner presents problems with his deep runs, but he is terrible shooter

Kai is arguably our best offensive player, but has yet to truly explode

 

RLC and Barkley are CMF's with poor, poor end product when they play advanced roles

That is why I said on paper, we rival those teams but on the pitch, we aren't because our players don't perform to a high level that they can or should be.

[Vesper 31,181]

1 minute ago, Jase said:

That is why I said on paper, we rival those teams but on the pitch, we aren't because our players don't perform to a high level that they can or should be.

the on paper stats are nowhere near those other two teams

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Vesper said:

the on paper stats are nowhere near those other two teams

What I meant by "on paper" is just looking in general terms. 

But yes, if you go deeper and look into the stats on paper, it's obvious others higher because their players perform consistently. 

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3 minutes ago, Jase said:

What I meant by "on paper" is just looking in general terms. 

But yes, if you go deeper and look into the stats on paper, it's obvious others higher because their players perform consistently. 

just thus year

Bayern has the following production (tracking over a full season)

simply doubling:

Sane 22 goals, 22 assists

Müller 16 goals 34 assists (insanity at his age)

Lewa 60 (maybe more) goals, 6 assists

then

Jamal Musiala (if he played 3800 or so minutes) 24 goals, 20 assists

Gnabry, if played a full season minutes, tracks to 33 goals, 21 assists

Coman, if a reduced season (as there just are not enough minutes to go round), but more minutes than now, would still be around 16 goals and 8 assists

we have NOTHING like that

and none of those Bayern minutes are remotely close to the crazy amounts CR7 and Messi played at their peak, well over a thousand less in some cases, over 2000 less in Coman's case

to get to those numbers, all but Lewa and Müller are under 4000, and those 2 are barely above

Messi was rocking 5000 to 5200 or so minutes at times when he was at peak (and if counting all preseason, comps and national team games, around 6000 in a couple seasons)

[Vesper 31,181]

2021-22 English Premier League

Newcastle United            
Manchester United          

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[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Stuck a fiver on the barcodes at 7/1. 🙃

[Vesper 31,181]

lol, Slabhead lit up again, so was Varane

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