The English Football Thread

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19 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Thats only fair otherwise better deeper squads will benefit big time.

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23 hours ago, Tomo said:

Doesn't this kind of back up the point I've made that attack signings should be considered just as important as defense for us now if not more?

United conceded as many goals last year as we have this, they prioritized their defense and while they did concede less goals they still ultimately needed an attacking signing in January to be able to even match their previous season's point's tally.

 

9 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Exactly, when building up a team, the attack is the most important first step. Klopp and Guardiola knew their defence was poor when they came in, but they first of all got their attack firing by making strong signings. Then they signed defenders to challenge for the title.

Lampard needs to solidify his attacking pattern. I know that the way we played in the begining of the season is the way Lamps wants us to attack, but he realized we were not ruthless/clinical enough. So he reduced the intensity of our attacking football.

If we have better players, making better decisions and with more technique/quality in the final third im sure Lamps will be more confident in maintaining a high tempo attacking intensity so that we blow out teams early in the match.

Why not both? 

After all we had transfer ban so this summer we can do for what they needed two, three transfer windows.

After Havertz our attack looks amazing and everything suggest we will still buy GK, LB and CB.

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Why not both? 

After all we had transfer ban so this summer we can do for what they needed two, three transfer windows.

After Havertz our attack looks amazing and everything suggest we will still buy GK, LB and CB.

There's absolutely no problem having both. But we should know where our priorities lie. Follow the successful patterns of Klopp and Guardiola by improving the attack first

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On 8/6/2020 at 2:00 PM, kellzfresh said:

Exactly, when building up a team, the attack is the most important first step. Klopp and Guardiola knew their defence was poor when they came in, but they first of all got their attack firing by making strong signings. Then they signed defenders to challenge for the title.

Lampard needs to solidify his attacking pattern. I know that the way we played in the begining of the season is the way Lamps wants us to attack, but he realized we were not ruthless/clinical enough. So he reduced the intensity of our attacking football.

If we have better players, making better decisions and with more technique/quality in the final third im sure Lamps will be more confident in maintaining a high tempo attacking intensity so that we blow out teams early in the match.

That is noy exactly true. How you build depend on player availability and your current team condition. Finding good cb for reasonable fee is very2 difficult. On the other hand good wide forward is so much easier to find. 

In term of attacking,The way we play in the beginning of the season were fun to watch but it was crazy. Against Norwich and Leicester, we created ton but they also created ton. Getting better back 4 will hep  but defending is not just on defender. 

 

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16 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Why not both? 

After all we had transfer ban so this summer we can do for what they needed two, three transfer windows.

After Havertz our attack looks amazing and everything suggest we will still buy GK, LB and CB.

But we also need to be realistic. In this Covid world there's only so much even we can do in one go.

Unless we somehow get rid of a lot of deadwood a LB and GK is probably as much as we can realistically expect all things considered (unless we skimp out on a CB somewhere).

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

But we also need to be realistic. In this Covid world there's only so much even we can do in one go.

Unless we somehow get rid of a lot of deadwood a LB and GK is probably as much as we can realistically expect all things considered (unless we skimp out on a CB somewhere).

What if we are able to sell the dead wood?

Alonso - Sevilla

Emerson - inter

Barkley - WHU

Michy - Leeds

Bakayoko - ac milan

Jorginho - juve

Don't think selling any of Rudi, zouma, AC would be a massive issue.

Despite buying "big" with werner and ziyech, we have net spent just 20m €. 

So in case we are able to sell all the above mentioned players plus Zappa, kenedy, baba, brown, baker etc. What would be an ideal window?

For me, it would be 2 LBs (reguilon, tagliafco), 1 GK (onana) and Rice. 

 

 

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Just now, Puliiszola said:

What if we are able to sell the dead wood?

Alonso - Sevilla

Emerson - inter

Barkley - WHU

Michy - Leeds

Bakayoko - ac milan

Jorginho - juve

Don't think selling any of Rudi, zouma, AC would be a massive issue.

Despite buying "big" with werner and ziyech, we have net spent just 20m €. 

So in case we are able to sell all the above mentioned players plus Zappa, kenedy, baba, brown, baker etc. What would be an ideal window?

For me, it would be 2 LBs (reguilon, tagliafco), 1 GK (onana) and Rice. 

Tbh i wouldn't want to sign 2 LB's, especially when both will sign expecting to start. Furthermore as much as Alonso's flaws have prevented him truly nailing down a starting place, he's perfect as a horses for courses second choice.

I think a mix of teams being cautious with their money added to Marina's valuation's will make selling them all tricky, i hope i'm wrong.

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46 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Tbh i wouldn't want to sign 2 LB's, especially when both will sign expecting to start. Furthermore as much as Alonso's flaws have prevented him truly nailing down a starting place, he's perfect as a horses for courses second choice.

I think a mix of teams being cautious with their money added to Marina's valuation's will make selling them all tricky, i hope i'm wrong.

I feel given the exertions of a modern day FB and the next to impossible scheduling of next season, it's almost imperative to have good depth. Alonso is a good lwb, but a downright pathetic LB. Will we change our formation every 3rd game to a back 3? Given the whole situation, I seriously want to sell both alonso and emerson. 

Marina's evaluation seems to be on point to just let these players go, cover their "remaining amortized value" and let go off their wages. Let's be honest, Leeds getting michy for 20m is a bargain which they will be stupid to not take. He will score 15 goals as he is a good goal scorer, and that's what clubs at lower end would want, goals for survival. They are not going to care that michy can't hold the ball up with his back to the goal. 

Moreover, while every club will suffer due to covid, some are much better placed. Sevilla are self sustaining, with match dat revenue around 12% of overall revenue, very similar to ours. Some clubs face far worse, like arsenal, rm who have a massive stadium and match day rev is a massive part of their revenue. I can see teams being frugal but also going for cut prices deals which we can give them a chance for. Lets hope for it though.

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7 hours ago, communicate said:

In term of attacking,The way we play in the beginning of the season were fun to watch but it was crazy. Against Norwich and Leicester, we created ton but they also created ton. Getting better back 4 will hep  but defending is not just on defender. 

I agree that defending is not just on one defender, that it requires a team effort to close gaps. But this is exactly why it is important to get the right attack first. Buying a top defender with a broken system would make him look like an amateur in this team. With a proper system of attack, with better quality up top, the team is settled in knowing how they go forward and the type of players they have upfront. I quite remember Liverpool with Klopp buying salah, mane and having a lot of 4-3 matches against Norwich and Bournemoth, we laughed at them at the time. Then he got Fabinho, Vandijk and Alisson to replace Milner, Lovren and Karius. 

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That is noy exactly true. How you build depend on player availability and your current team condition. Finding good cb for reasonable fee is very2 difficult. On the other hand good wide forward is so much easier to find. 

Our teams condition right now still doesn't look right in attack for me. We are a pulisic injury away from being a midtable attacking side. We need better decision making and quality (final pass and shooting) in the box to truly elevate our side and make it scary. Arsenal creating more chances than us does not sit well with me when we're aspiring to be title challengers. 

Once the system is right and we are more free-flowing, an improvement in the defense could shoot us straight to the title.

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Arsenal have passed on consequences wrought by a bloated sense of status

Everyone knew an extended period playing behind closed doors would be damaging but 55 redundancies have no parallels among the club’s peers

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/aug/06/arsenal-staff-redundancies-coronavirus

When Arsenal announced in April that the majority of their players and coaching staff had agreed to take wage cuts, a section of their statement shed telling light on the tone of the negotiations. “In these conversations there has been a clear appreciation of the gravity of the current situation caused by the Covid-19 pandemic and a strong desire for players and staff to show their backing for the Arsenal family,” it read.

The squad believed they would be helping to protect other employees, most of whom enjoy nothing like footballers’ levels of financial security, from being plunged into a job market whose brutality seems likely to be unmatched in modern times. So it is no surprise that eyebrows have been raised, to put it mildly, among Mikel Arteta’s players at the news on Wednesday that 55 redundancies are proposed across the club. The players can argue they have done their bit off the pitch – and on it to a certain extent, through winning the FA Cup and reaching the Europa League – and are entitled to question what has changed.

That is particularly the case given, in April, Arsenal could foresee a certain degree of the medium-term hit they would take during the shutdown. They knew their matchday income, which was around £96m in the 2018-19 season, constituted a quarter of their revenue and that no other Premier League club could point to a similar reliance on that cash stream. With that, they were aware an extended period playing behind closed doors would be damaging.

While nobody knows how long it will be until the Emirates Stadium corporate suites are wining and dining again, there was never any serious suggestion they would be back by the start of next season. The hospitality department is one of several believed to be in line for cuts when the details are fine-tuned.

There is a point at which raking over knowns and unknowns becomes harsh: in a global pandemic of indeterminate length it is hard to plan with confidence. But club owners should be expected to take decisions responsibly and it is no surprise many feel that, in opting to cut around 10% of Arsenal’s permanent staff, the Kroenkes have sold theirs short.

The knife taken to the scouting department has occupied particular attention, and will apply to a number of the roles that are being discontinued. That may prove to be part of a longer-term plan, regardless of the logic and much as it is no comfort to anyone affected. But it is striking that, viewed en masse, these redundancies have no parallels among Arsenal’s peers and perhaps the more relevant question is how has it come to this.

In 2013, when Arsenal signed Mesut Özil, the then-chief executive Ivan Gazidis was moved to hail the “commercial capability of the club to deliver the consistent revenues and financial strength required to compete for the world’s best players”. It was a fair enough statement at the time, borne out by Özil’s arrival and the subsequent move for Alexis Sánchez, and came on the back of several years’ aggressive recruitment of sharp executives who could unlock vast international revenue streams.

For it to remain the case, though, Arsenal had to remain stable on the pitch. Instead they nosedived, a chaotic succession to Arsène Wenger and several backroom areas only exacerbating matters, while showing little genuine desire to cut their cloth. It is why Josh Kroenke admitted last year that they were running a “Champions League wage bill on a Europa League budget”, words uttered a fortnight before they spent a club record £72m in Nicolas Pépé.

David Luiz joined on £120,000-a-week wages seven days after that. Even after their worst league finish in 25 years, eighth place, they will soon sign Willian for a similar salary and then double that figure in, as seems increasingly likely, securing the future of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

There seems little genuine appetite to scale back and it is worth remembering the brutal honesty with which Arteta addressed their plight in mid-July. “If you are not in the Champions League and you say: ‘OK, I don’t invest because I don’t have the financial ability to do it,’ but the others invest, then the gap becomes bigger,” he said, questioning whether Arsenal should “go for it” in order to make up the ground they have lost.

It was striking to read in the club statement on Wednesday the tone-deaf reassurance that roles were being cut “to enable us to continue to invest in the team”. The sentiment appeared troublingly populist; as if, when the dust has settled, a fan’s biggest care is the success of their side. While it is natural to seek improvement, that quest surely goes beyond the pale when it affects the livelihoods of hardworking employees.

That is the bind in which Arsenal have found themselves and it is hard to make a case that they have hit on the correct answer. Staff on five-figure salaries, many of them relatively low, will take the rap for an inability to accept reality that long predates coronavirus. In streamlining their numbers, the club pass on the consequences wrought by a bloated sense of self.

“Remember who you are, what you are and who you represent,” Ian Wright tweeted on Thursday, using a phrase associated with the late David Rocastle. Perhaps a similar utterance by the current squad would make the necessary impression during the 30-day consultation period that the proposed cuts will undergo; even if it does, Arsenal have no easy way out of a moral quandary that is ultimately of their own making.

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Ajax keen to take Ryan Sessegnon on loan from Tottenham

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/07/ajax-keen-to-take-ryan-sessegnon-on-loan-from-tottenham-fulham

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How Manchester United plan to use Jadon Sancho

https://theathletic.com/1980977/2020/08/08/jadon-sancho-manchester-united-dortmund-woodward/

Having strained forlornly for creativity at various stages in the last 12 months, the burst of fluency that carried Manchester United to a happy conclusion for Champions League qualification has provoked a curious debate regarding plans for summer strengthening.

Where, exactly, would Jadon Sancho fit into Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s team?

The question, posed by many observers, is fair in context of the 22 goals scored in six victories and three draws in the final nine Premier League matches after football’s resumption.

Mason Greenwood’s emergence as a super-effective threat from the right wing has also clouded earlier clarity that United require enhancement in that position — a priority outlined to intermediaries a number of weeks ago.

It is worth saying at this stage that Sancho’s prospective arrival is far from assured. Negotiations with Borussia Dortmund are creeping along through agents, there is a valuation gap, and personal terms remain to be agreed. But Solskjaer has pinpointed the 20-year-old as the ideal piece of recruitment this window, so exploring why feels worthwhile.

The basic answer is that a club with aspirations of challenging for the title cannot rely on the same front three for the course of a campaign when one is 18 years old and susceptible to ebbs of form like any young player.

Daniel James is the alternative for that role but after a blistering start to his United career, his performances have plateaued to levels that, in all honesty, were to be expected of a player with one previous season of senior football behind him, at Swansea in the Championship. He has good potential and is very useful as a counter-attacking option, especially if he can improve his decision-making in the final third, as is being worked on at Carrington.

James has also been asked to play on the opposite flank to where he had his success at Swansea. His goals against Crystal Palace and Southampton last August show a winger who prefers to cut in from the left but that channel belongs to Marcus Rashford now, and such has been his productivity United’s attacking areas have leaned distinctly to the left — 41.45 percent to 34.77 percent, as this graphic relating to the Premier League shows.

The dots represent where assists came from, and although 16 are located in the right third compared to nine in the left third (excluding corners), a further 10 in the left half of the middle third compared to five in the right half of the middle third highlight those occasions when Rashford and Anthony Martial have linked up to penetrative effect. The idea, as far as United are concerned, is creating the same level of threat on the right so the overall areas of attack are spread more evenly.

As one source close to the club put it, Sancho’s signing would give Solskjaer “total unpredictability” for his forward unit. United see him primarily playing on the right but as illustrated by his Bundesliga heat map, supplied by Wyscout, he is equally adept on the left.

Such dexterity opens up the prospect that Sancho, who has 30 goals and 33 assists in 78 games in Germany’s top flight, could not only lift United’s right wing to elite standards but provide various options across the frontline.

There is even a thought at Old Trafford, pretty terrifying for opposition defenders, that Sancho, Rashford, Martial and Greenwood could all play in the same side. Greenwood would likely shift central to accommodate Sancho on the right, in what would be a similarly loaded line-up to those which populated United’s treble season, or more recently the 2008-09 campaign of Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez, and Dimitar Berbatov.

Admittedly that foursome may only have been on the pitch at the same time infrequently — to positive effect from half-time of the 5-2 comeback win over Tottenham Hotspur and to lesser success for the last 24 minutes of the 2-0 loss to Barcelona in that season’s Champions League final — but they also opened up opportunities for rotation with no drop-off in quality.

With Paul Pogba and Bruno Fernandes most likely in the middle, it would place a burden on the defence but when the title has been won with 100, 98, and 99 points in the past three seasons the emphasis for United to even think of challenging will be through scoring plenty of goals.

“Sancho would be a massive leg up for United to chasing City and Liverpool in terms of firepower,” says an informed source.

The prospect of Sancho’s arrival allowing Greenwood to move to a central role would suit the teenager best, according to one of his former coaches. “I still think at the moment we are playing Mason in the wrong place, we should be playing him down the middle, not so much as a target man, but as a forward connecting to the midfield,” says Clayton Blackmore, who worked in United’s academy when Greenwood was first emerging.

“It should be a two up front, for me, but people don’t like that. It could be one up front, one behind. Mason needs to be in the middle of the field, really. He can run at people. He showed the other night, one little stepover, he’d lost the defender for a split second to set up a good chance.”

The notion of Greenwood in tandem with Martial may seem a throwback to a bygone era but in other ways it would reflect how Pep Guardiola has redefined what is required on a consistent basis. Liverpool, under Jurgen Klopp, have kept pace and overtaken with a side of beautiful synchronicity and this could be United’s own response.

It would require Rashford and Sancho to track back on the wings but their statistics in this regard are encouraging. The heat map from earlier gives indication of Sancho’s work in his own half and he has recorded an average of two interceptions and 3.4 recoveries per 90 minutes in the Bundesliga.

Rashford’s Premier League heat map (below) demonstrates a similar willingness to do the less glamourous parts of the game and per 90 minutes in the Premier League he has recorded 1.8 interceptions and 2.1 recoveries.

Admittedly these fall someway short of Nemanja Matic’s 5.39 interceptions and 10.01 recoveries per 90 minutes in the Premier League but his role is almost exclusively defensive.

Undeniably though, offence is the reason for United’s serious interest in Sancho. He is both an excellent carrier of the ball and a player capable of opening up chances through his passing.

Per 90 minutes in the Bundesliga, Sancho completes 7.7 dribbles at a 48.6 per cent success rate and averages 3.6 progressive runs (either 10-metre carries in the opposition half or 30-metre carries in a player’s own half.)

Rashford, who is an expert in this aspect of the game, averages 6.3 dribbles per 90 minutes in the Premier League at a 44.2 per cent success rate and two progressive runs. Greenwood averages 3.3 dribbles at a 56.1 per cent success and 1.4 progressive runs. James, meanwhile, averages 5.3 dribbles at a 56.9 per cent success rate and 3.5 progressive runs.

The Premier League has greater depth of quality than the Bundesliga, of course, so that disparity has to be factored in, but Sancho’s numbers stay steady in the Champions League. Per 90 minutes he has 6.7 dribbles at a 50 per cent success and 3.5 progressive runs. The pitch map below marks where Sancho has started his take-ons or been fouled in the Champions League. Again, it shows his activity across both flanks and in his own half.

In 15 appearances in Europe’s elite club competition, Sancho has scored three goals and provided three assists. One of these came against Inter, when playing as a right-sided attacking midfielder, to cap a comeback win from 2-0 down.

He moved into a pocket of space outside the area and called for possession from Achraf Hakimi, who played the ball sharply and ran towards the box.

Sancho took one touch to control and threaded a weighted pass with his second so Hakimi could finish first time on the run.

It was one of three successful through-balls — defined as a pass into the empty spaces behind the defensive line, leaving the attacking player alone against the goalkeeper — Sancho has provided in the Champions League, and is of the same technical quality to Greenwood’s goal against West Ham, or Martial’s against Sheffield United, assisted respectively by sharp passes from Martial and Rashford. It is easy to see how Sancho’s way of thinking would slot in.

A similar pass came against Barcelona in the Nou Camp from the left wing, playing in Julian Brandt for a shot that was saved by Marc-Andre ter Stegen and, in the Bundesliga, Sancho averages 1.4 through balls per 90 minutes, with a 38.4 per cent accuracy. Those numbers are higher than Rashford, Greenwood and James, while for context Fernandes — the crown prince of lock-picking — averages 3.4 through balls per 90 minutes of Premier League football at a lower success rate of 10.4 per cent.

Sancho’s pass map from the Champions League (337 completed from 395 attempts, 295 in the opposition half, 100 in his own half, and 208 in the final third) indicates his willingness to try things and get involved.

In the Bundesliga, Sancho averages 81.1 actions per 90 minutes at a 65.8 per cent success rate, a comparable figure to Fernandes, whose busy work rate has seen him average 83.3 actions per 90 minutes in the Premier League at a 59.7 per cent success rate.

Sancho has 1.6 shots per 90 minutes in the Bundesliga, with 4.2 touches in the penalty area, and his hybrid style of dribbling, passing and finishing helps explain why Sancho (with 17) is behind only Robert Lewandowski (34) and Timo Werner (28) for goals scored in the Bundesliga in 2019-20 and for assists (16) has only Thomas Muller (21) ahead of him.

Germany is different to England of course, but Sancho’s history at City’s academy makes those who want him at United feel he will be “ready-made” for the Premier League. He would specifically appear an exciting fit for Solskjaer’s side. There are more talks between clubs ahead.

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On 8/5/2020 at 11:52 PM, NikkiCFC said:

What is funny even with this they won same amount of points 66.

We need next season to have similar influence from our new defensive signings.

That is 130 m pound signing. 

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On 8/7/2020 at 9:59 PM, kellzfresh said:

I agree that defending is not just on one defender, that it requires a team effort to close gaps. But this is exactly why it is important to get the right attack first. Buying a top defender with a broken system would make him look like an amateur in this team. With a proper system of attack, with better quality up top, the team is settled in knowing how they go forward and the type of players they have upfront. I quite remember Liverpool with Klopp buying salah, mane and having a lot of 4-3 matches against Norwich and Bournemoth, we laughed at them at the time. Then he got Fabinho, Vandijk and Alisson to replace Milner, Lovren and Karius. 

Our teams condition right now still doesn't look right in attack for me. We are a pulisic injury away from being a midtable attacking side. We need better decision making and quality (final pass and shooting) in the box to truly elevate our side and make it scary. Arsenal creating more chances than us does not sit well with me when we're aspiring to be title challengers. 

Once the system is right and we are more free-flowing, an improvement in the defense could shoot us straight to the title.

My point is that I personally don't care how he improve and "fix" our team, signing defender or attacker or midfield first does not really matter to me, because like i said player before availability play massive factor.

But I don't believe if we played like we did early in this season we can achieve balance unless we signed top class player everywhere in midfield and defense and that is very2 difficult to do. 

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1 hour ago, communicate said:

My point is that I personally don't care how he improve and "fix" our team, signing defender or attacker or midfield first does not really matter to me, because like i said player before availability play massive factor.

But I don't believe if we played like we did early in this season we can achieve balance unless we signed top class player everywhere in midfield and defense and that is very2 difficult to do. 

Honestly I am more concerned with our midfielders than the defenders if I'm being honest. 

Look at yesterday, so many times the defenders were 1 on 1 with gnabry/Lewandowski/Muller. Several times.... No centre back can take that kind of pressure for 90minutes without a mistake. Our midfielders were no where to be found. No single protection, no tackles, no shield in front of the defenders. Once Bayern had the ball, one pass from thiago and Lewandowski is in front of christensen..   we know who wins that battle 90% of the time. 

Mancity made Varane look ordinary the other day. If the midfielders are not shielding the defence, then it's all for naught. No matter how good the defender is he'll be ordinary facing a tricky attacker every 5 minutes. 

I don't know if it was just a tactical problem, but there was just so much space in between the lines to find Muller and lewa easily. Under Conte you would see a very clear shape of 5 at the back and matic and Kante protecting the space in between the lines. But it just seems so disorganized against Liverpool, Arsenal and Bayern. 

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16 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Honestly I am more concerned with our midfielders than the defenders if I'm being honest. 

Look at yesterday, so many times the defenders were 1 on 1 with gnabry/Lewandowski/Muller. Several times.... No centre back can take that kind of pressure for 90minutes without a mistake. Our midfielders were no where to be found. No single protection, no tackles, no shield in front of the defenders. Once Bayern had the ball, one pass from thiago and Lewandowski is in front of christensen..   we know who wins that battle 90% of the time. 

Mancity made Varane look ordinary the other day. If the midfielders are not shielding the defence, then it's all for naught. No matter how good the defender is he'll be ordinary facing a tricky attacker every 5 minutes. 

I don't know if it was just a tactical problem, but there was just so much space in between the lines to find Muller and lewa easily. Under Conte you would see a very clear shape of 5 at the back and matic and Kante protecting the space in between the lines. But it just seems so disorganized against Liverpool, Arsenal and Bayern. 

Glad you said that. I didn't watch our game vs bayern but the reason of our defensive problem is genral quite obvious (other than individuals mistake). 

We are not really good at pressing, bar kante we have no ball winner in our midfield, our front line can't keep the ball, our midfield are not technical monster, our d line are just ok, and we want to play fast. 

You combine all of that you have current Chelsea. 

 

 

 

 

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The relegated Stoke squad of 2017-18 had players who played in the 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2019 and 2020 [Big Cup] semi-finals.’ The list is: 2005 Glen Johnson, 2007 Peter Crouch, 2008 Darren Fletcher, 2009 Fletcher, 2010 Bojan, 2011 Fletcher, 2013 Xherdan Shaqiri, 2015 Jesé, 2016 Jesé, 2019 Shaqiri, 2020 Choupo-Moting. 

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On 8/6/2020 at 2:18 PM, Jason said:

 

Thank god for that. It was ridiculous when they were bringing players on every 5 minutes. Now it will be back to more tactical substitutions.