The English Football Thread

[Vesper 27,282]

31 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/cas-urteil-manchester-city-financial-fair-play-uefa-1.4983035

 

Sadly, I have got it from a German source.

After making some research

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/28/uefa-claim-against-manchester-city-over-sponsor-money-time-barred-cas-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

I think this article says the same thing. City chose 2 of the 3 judges. One chosen judge's name was Rui Santos and the other was McDougall

 

Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk

 

 

 

thanks!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

ManCity acquittal:

If the plaintiff is allowed to choose his judge

The Cas verdict in favor of Manchester City is 2: 1 judge votes - and two of the judges had proposed the football club itself. The case further damages the compromised trust in sports law.

 

The controversial judgment with which three sports lawyers on behalf of the International Sports Court Cas now push the Manchester City football club and its owners from Abu Dhabi back to the Champions League money locks has 93 pages. That explosive detail that also on Wednesday at Europe's football union UefaAttention only needs four lines of it - it is hidden on page 14 in paragraph 34. On 30 March 2020, it is said that the plaintiff - Manchester City - "suggested" that "Mr. Rui Botica Santos ( Portugal) is nominated for the present case as chair of the panel ". And this is how it actually happened: On April 3, Botica Santos was named. Which now raises urgent questions, because City had already been able to select another lawyer for the three-member judges panel, Andrew de Lotbinière McDougall, who works in Paris. And lo and behold: The Cas slogan, which received Uefa's decision to exclude City from the Champions League for two years due to gross violations of the financial fair play rules, this verdict was given with 2: 1 votes.

How does sports law work: The plaintiff chooses the judges?

Word has got around that there has always been a conflict of interest about law and injustice at the Cas in Lausanne: it is misleading to speak of "Cas judges" alone. The lawyers who are listed as possible "judges" at the Cas often act as party representatives in other Cas cases. So there is an interest in continuing to exercise sports law in the role of judge - and then invoking it as an accuser or defender. And beyond the Cas world, these lawyers often work in those large law firms that players in the sports business like to commission with highly paid expertise. A self-nurturing system, of course, far away from any impression of bias.

 

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 

[Vesper 27,282]

In fact, the judgment recites, the AC found that ADUG had funded the payments, and that: “The management of [MCFC] was well aware that the payments … made by [a third party on behalf of ADUG] were made as equity funding, not as payments for the sponsor on account of genuine sponsorship liabilities.” The judgment notes that although City and Etisalat had agreed a sponsorship deal in principle in 2012, the actual contract was concluded only in January 2015, and was stated to be retrospectively effective, from 1 February 2012.

 

fucking COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

so it was only time-barred because Shitty said it was so (the phoney retroactivity)!!

AND

CAS admits Shitty CHEATED, it was NOT the case that UEFA failed to prove it!!!!

fucking raging here

[Jase 43,479]

Oh my...

[kellzfresh 7,226]

For those who like tactical discussions. Here's steve Holland discussing how the last 3 champions have won the league using surprisingly similar tactics. Maybe Lamps is planning the same with a DM and two number 8's.

[Vesper 27,282]

11 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

For those who like tactical discussions. Here's steve Holland discussing how the last 3 champions have won the league using surprisingly similar tactics. Maybe Lamps is planning the same with a DM and two number 8's.

great video

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

In fact, the judgment recites, the AC found that ADUG had funded the payments, and that: “The management of [MCFC] was well aware that the payments … made by [a third party on behalf of ADUG] were made as equity funding, not as payments for the sponsor on account of genuine sponsorship liabilities.” The judgment notes that although City and Etisalat had agreed a sponsorship deal in principle in 2012, the actual contract was concluded only in January 2015, and was stated to be retrospectively effective, from 1 February 2012.

 

fucking COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

so it was only time-barred because Shitty said it was so (the phoney retroactivity)!!

AND

CAS admits Shitty CHEATED, it was NOT the case that UEFA failed to prove it!!!!

fucking raging here

Why are the FA, PL clubs, English media so silent about it? 

Why are German tabloids doing all the work, why is Bayern owner speaking up or the la liga chairman speaking up, but no balls, no statements from any PL manager/owner except Jose.

This is so fucked up. The level of incompetence (or just corruption if they bottled it on purporse) is baffling.

The complete and total indifference of all PL clubs is even more baffling. 

[Special Juan 27,093]

Mike Ashley is like the turd that won't flush....The Geordies can get back in their box now and carry on being mediocre fuckers.

[kellzfresh 7,226]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

great video

It really is. Hopefully we as a team can be better tactically as we would greatly benefit from good positioning like conte's chelsea or Liverpool and mancity.

[Atomiswave 6,072]

5 hours ago, killer1257 said:

So new information came out about City CAS situation. So City chose 2 out of 3 judges. One of them used to work in Abu Dhabi from 2016 to 2018 and had City as one of his clients. At the end, two judges were in favour of City and one, the judge that was not chosen by City, was against City. So basically, the system is garbage

Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk
 

Disgusting how footy has shaped. I did say long time ago that the massive money in fooy will hurt the game badly later on. Shameful.......everything around us rigged, you cant depend on anyone anymore.

2 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

Why are the FA, PL clubs, English media so silent about it? 

Why are German tabloids doing all the work, why is Bayern owner speaking up or the la liga chairman speaking up, but no balls, no statements from any PL manager/owner except Jose.

This is so fucked up. The level of incompetence (or just corruption if they bottled it on purporse) is baffling.

The complete and total indifference of all PL clubs is even more baffling. 

Beacuse EPL itself is corrupt to the core, if they can buy their way at CAS then its a wrap really.

 

[Puliiszola 519]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/football-leaks-mancity-emails-hacked-18690117.amp

 

God bless der Spiegel

[Vesper 27,282]

2019-20 English League Championship, Promotion Semifinals

Fulham v Cardiff City HD Streams 

http://www.dubsstreamz.com/ta.php

http://www.bfst.xyz/one.php

http://4kstreams.net/embed/soccer1.php

http://hdstreams.club/hd/ch5.php

https://www.totalsportek.com/efl-championship/

[Atomiswave 6,072]

35 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/football-leaks-mancity-emails-hacked-18690117.amp

 

God bless der Spiegel

Shameful that Spiegel busted them, this shit should have been taken care off long ago by some independent organization. This only again proves that you can buy yourself out of any danger.

[Vesper 27,282]

fuck, Cardiff scored

[Vesper 27,282]

nice

Fulham immediately scored

3 1 aggregate

[Atomiswave 6,072]

The Saudi take over of NC is seemingly not going to happen

[Jase 43,479]

Fulham v Brentford in the play-off final. Another London club in the PL next season.

[Vesper 27,282]

Newcastle takeover: Saudi Arabian-backed consortium pulls out of bid

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53598846

 

[Vesper 27,282]

I am fixated on this, SHITTY MUST BE PUNISHED!!!

FUCK

I swear this is football (as run under a UEFA superstructure) in the bloody balance

I am really going mental here, sorry 

 

Der Spiegel claims new Manchester City emails cast doubt on CAS verdict

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/30/der-spiegel-claims-new-manchester-city-emails-cast-doubt-on-cas-verdict

New ‘leaked’ emails relate to City’s sponsorship by Etihad
Club refuse to comment on emails but have denied wrongdoing

The German magazine Der Spiegel has published new “leaked” emails relating to Manchester City’s past sponsorships by Abu Dhabi state companies, which it claims cast doubt on the court of arbitration for sport judgment that overturned City’s ban by Uefa.

In one of the emails, a City director, Simon Pearce, who was also a senior executive in an Abu Dhabi government authority, set out that he was “forwarding” the airline £91m of £99m that Etihad owed to the club for its sponsorship, with Etihad providing only £8m.

City refused to comment on the substance of the new emails, maintaining as the club has since the first “leaks” in November 2018 that their emails were “criminally obtained”. Spiegel’s source, Rui Pinto, who is charged with computer hacking in his native Portugal, which he denies, has denied that he obtained the emails by criminal means.

City have vehemently denied that the Etihad sponsorship was subsidised by the club’s owner, Sheikh Mansour of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, or any other Abu Dhabi entity, since Spiegel first published the emails, and throughout the subsequent investigation and ultimate guilty finding by Uefa’s Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) adjudicatory chamber (AC). Pearce and senior Etihad executives gave evidence at the Cas hearing, categorically denying the finding, largely based on the published emails, that the airline did not pay the sponsorships in full.

The emails considered by the CFCB and Cas included three from City’s then financial officers to Pearce, a City board member and senior adviser on the Executive Affairs Authority (EAA), a strategic Abu Dhabi government authority. The finance officers set out that in 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2015-16 Etihad paid only £8m of sponsorship deals City stated to be £35m, £65m and £67.5m respectively. The rest, they wrote, was being paid by Mansour’s company ownership vehicle, the Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG).

City had refused requests from the CFCB for Pearce and other senior people to give evidence, and Cas severely criticised the club and imposed a €10m (£9m) fine for their failure to cooperate and obstruction of the investigation. Pearce did appear before Cas, as did James Hogan, the former Etihad chief executive, and other senior figures, and based largely on their evidence, the Cas panel overturned by a 2-1 majority the CFCB conclusion that Mansour “disguised” his own funding as Etihad sponsorship.

Spiegel published the new emails two days after Cas released the full 93-page judgment that detailed its reasons.

One of the new emails was sent by Pearce in December 2013, from his Executive Affairs Authority address to Peter Baumgartner, then Etihad’s chief commercial officer, with the subject “payments”. Pearce set out that under its sponsorship agreement Etihad had owed City £31.5m for the 2012-13 season, and £67.5m for the £2013-14 season, a total of £99m.

“So we should be receiving a total of £99m – of which you will provide £8m,” he wrote to Baumgartner. ”I therefore should have forwarded £91m and instead have sent you only £88.5m. I effectively owe you £2.5m.”

Pearce offered Baumgartner two options to reconcile the missing £2.5m. The first was for Etihad to pay only £65m of the £67.5m sponsorship for 2013-14 and pay the £2.5m the following year. The second option, Pearce wrote, was: “You pay the £65m now and I will forward the £2.5m in a couple of months – at which point you can forward it on.”

Pearce apologised to Baumgartner for the missing £2.5m he had not sent, writing: “As I am sure you knew, embarrassingly it would seem that rather than overpaying you I have underpaid you!”

The figure of £88.5m Pearce apparently sent to Etihad for forwarding to City tallies with the same figure, £88.5m, set out to Pearce in one of the previously published emails. That was sent five days earlier by Jorge Chumillas, City’s then chief financial officer, who said the breakdown of Etihad’s sponsorship of City was £88.5m from ADUG, while Etihad was paying £8m.

Pearce’s evidence to Cas about the City’s finance officers writing in their emails that only £8m was coming from Etihad, was that the arrangements had caused “some confusion among individuals at the club” and “a misunderstanding that ADUG was making funds available to Etihad”.