Vesper 30,170 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, killer1257 said: How many years are we looking in the past though? AC Milan had for instance Pirlo as a DLP and Cafu as a RB going forward, while also Jankulovski went forward. Maldini and Nesta were very comfortable even when they were both old. Maldini, Nesta or Baresi could defend, could dribble past players, play great passes and score high level goals with their feet. You can't ask for more than that Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk totally agree killer1257 and Atomiswave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, killer1257 said: How many years are we looking in the past though? AC Milan had for instance Pirlo as a DLP and Cafu as a RB going forward, while also Jankulovski went forward. Maldini and Nesta were very comfortable even when they were both old. Maldini, Nesta or Baresi could defend, could dribble past players, play great passes and score high level goals with their feet. You can't ask for more than that Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk That's kind of my point, there's elite defenders then just like there is now only then there appeared to be more due to the systems, just like today wingers look better due to being able to play close to goal compared to back then and alas produce better numbers. Any defender who can stand out in this era playing for teams that play high split defenders football deserve all the praise they get, VVD's peak may have been a bit later/shorter (depending on whether you think his current form is just a rut or him bottoming out) but for 18 months he was almost flawless. I hate Liverpool as much as the next Chelsea fan but people sound silly by being so dismissive of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Everton looking very good on the ball here. Very nice balance to their side. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 richarlison doing the torres Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 What in the absolute fuck was that from Richarlison!? 😂😂😂 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 shameful last touch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Looks like he tried to hammer it in the net when all he had to do was gently tap it in. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D2 368 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Is that guy with yellow hair Dele? I don't even recognize him anymore. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomo said: Yesteryears defenders by inlarge played in deeper lines with one sometimes two defensive midfielders. Most teams these days especially at the top ask fullbacks to push on, CB's to split and have a preference for a more DLP infront of them as opposed to a "traditional DM". The demands of a CB in this day in age are infinity times higher. Last generation could do this as well imo, but the style yes might have been different but they were still a quality above in the art of defending, timing, positional sense etc. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prehuman 119 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Another game to fall asleep. If it weren't for Bielsa, all the games so far would be soporific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Tomo said: That's kind of my point, there's elite defenders then just like there is now only then there appeared to be more due to the systems, just like today wingers look better due to being able to play close to goal compared to back then and alas produce better numbers. Any defender who can stand out in this era playing for teams that play high split defenders football deserve all the praise they get, VVD's peak may have been a bit later/shorter (depending on whether you think his current form is just a rut or him bottoming out) but for 18 months he was almost flawless. I hate Liverpool as much as the next Chelsea fan but people sound silly by being so dismissive of him. not being dismissive of him, he is still the best CB on the planet, but not an all-time great he is in a rut I will not yet call it a perma-slide though, that will take a lot more games to make that big of a call Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, prehuman said: Another game to fall asleep. If it weren't for Bielsa, all the games so far would be soporific. no, this has been a great watch, sorry to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, Pizy said: Looks like he tried to hammer it in the net when all he had to do was gently tap it in. or pass it back to Calvert-Lewin for the easy tap-in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Dele Alli been pulled I have a feeling Jose will be feeding him to the lions soon. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, prehuman said: Another game to fall asleep. If it weren't for Bielsa, all the games so far would be soporific. I saw a lot of people saying Liverpool were very poor defensively against Leeds and Chelsea will have a field day against them next week. But they don't see that it is the high pressing tactics of Bielsa that did all that. Just the way Bayern in the Champions League made defences look amateur, it's the same high pressing tactics of Leeds. Leeds with that style can beat any top team in the league easily. I hope Lampard can implement that style of play, just like he tried to do at the beginning of last season before abandoning it later. High-pressing with quick passers and off the ball runners is a dominant style of football we should emulate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 weeeeeee 1 nil now get that second!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 What a cross from Digne. Everton look a seriously decent side. Carlo has them very well set up and coached. All 3 of their new signings look like they've been there for years already. Hopefully our new boys slot straight in and look comfortable like this. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Everton are comfortably the much better team here. Spurs are going to finish mid table this season. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Spuds look like the same kind of stale side they did last year. Not horrendous but just...meh. Mou already looks miserable and pissed off. And their fans probably can't stand seeing a side like Everton coming to their house and bossing it. killer1257 and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Beautiful header that was the top. So deserved for Everton should be up higher. at least one result is going our way. That is if we consider spuds a rival lol Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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