Official - Carlo sacked

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 07/02/2011 at 17:57, eldo said:

Wait, Carlo was playing? Isn't he too old for that?

I hope you know that it just doesnt make sense. When won the double last season because of him, now the "bad spell" is because of the players...:goodpost:

  On 07/02/2011 at 22:48, Madmax said:

He is in a no win situation. If he plays the youth and results suffer, it's his fault for giving them too much responsibility. If he continues with the established order and results suffer, it's his fault he can't motivate them. Basically there will be grumblings if we lose, no matter if the youth play or not. If he plays the same first eleven every week and we win every game, nobody will complain.

This argument also dosent make sense: "you cant give the youngster too much responsabilty". It can be aplied to every young player in every big club in the world. Pedro started a World Cup final, because Torres was having a fucking awful tournament. If Carlo was the manager I bet Pedro wouldnt had started one single game. There is only one good argument to let Carlo stay until the end of his contract: the money we would pay to him.

[Madmax 9,219]

  On 08/02/2011 at 00:00, Henrique said:

This argument also dosent make sense: "you cant give the youngster too much responsabilty". It can be aplied to every young player in every big club in the world. Pedro started a World Cup final, because Torres was having a fucking awful tournament. If Carlo was the manager I bet Pedro wouldnt had started one single game. There is only one good argument to let Carlo stay until the end of his contract: the money we would pay to him.

Yes sure let's compare the English league to the World Cup. That makes so much sense

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 08/02/2011 at 00:51, Madmax said:

Yes sure let's compare the English league to the World Cup. That makes so much sense

But you must understand his point? Example; Lampard was poor on Sunday, lost the ball a lot and couldn't keep up the pace. Why did Carlo not recognise this and throw on Josh? Especially when we went a goal down. He would've been the most logical replacement. Just imagine he was 19 (since age is a big factor for some people) and take into account his skill and maturity levels

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

I hate these stupid fucking moron threads... we lose one game and it's a disaster... get real, it fucking happens :moaning:

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 08/02/2011 at 00:55, Gianfranco_Z said:

I hate these stupid fucking moron threads... we lose one game and it's a disaster... get real, it fucking happens :moaning:

I urge you read the points please.

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

Points taken and IMO Bullshit. What the fuck are we? Real Madrid, sacking a manager every season, no thanks give him a chance and he will grow into this job even more... This is mental, if we beat Fulham 4-0 on Monday you'll be calling him King Carlo etc etc... so fickle

[Madmax 9,219]

  On 08/02/2011 at 00:54, LDN Blue said:

But you must understand his point? Example; Lampard was poor on Sunday, lost the ball a lot and couldn't keep up the pace. Why did Carlo not recognise this and throw on Josh? Especially when we went a goal down. He would've been the most logical replacement. Just imagine he was 19 (since age is a big factor for some people) and take into account his skill and maturity levels

I understand the point of giving youth a chance when they couldn't be doing any worse than the regulars. But it will only take one bad performance from them to get people on their backs. Then people will say 'oh why is he playing kids when we need the experience of that other guy.' It's a thankless job - that was what I was pointing out. Example - Torres wasn't exactly playing well so Carlo brought on Kalou. And he got stick for that. But he would've gotten stick even if he had kept Torres on because then people would have said he's playing people who're not cutting it.

He brought Josh on in that Villa away game in October. Josh almost gave away 3 points when Reo Cocker nicked the ball off him in injury time and went through on goal but fortunately fluffed his shot. Would Josh and Carlo have escaped criticism had the guy scored? No. We wouldn't hear the end of how he lost us the game.

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I'll say we should keep him atleast untill his contract expires. But it would be nice having Jose here again...one can only dream. . I dont think Guardiola is a bad choice either i bet he would be able to turn our youth academy players into stars, also he likes to play good football, and thats always a plus.

[Madmax 9,219]

  On 08/02/2011 at 00:57, LDN Blue said:

I urge you read the points please.

You're unwilling to listen to equally pertinent points made by me and the rest of us who want him to stay.

Nobody will deny that the guy has made mistakes. But he really isn't as clueless and useless as some are painting him out to be.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 08/02/2011 at 01:05, Madmax said:

You're unwilling to listen to equally pertinent points made by me and the rest of us who want him to stay.

Nobody will deny that the guy has made mistakes. But he really isn't as clueless and useless as some are painting him out to be.

No I'm simply addressing those who come in this thread without reading the points first and understanding this isn't knee-jerking.

I even thought the notion of sacking Carlo was invalid, but having read the points I see where they're coming from. My point of view depends on when we rebuild the squad. I'd like Carlo to stay until then because when the time comes for rebuilding I'd like our next long-term manager to have his squad. With this squad, I want Carlo here.

  On 08/02/2011 at 01:01, Madmax said:

I understand the point of giving youth a chance when they couldn't be doing any worse than the regulars. But it will only take one bad performance from them to get people on their backs. Then people will say 'oh why is he playing kids when we need the experience of that other guy.' It's a thankless job - that was what I was pointing out. Example - Torres wasn't exactly playing well so Carlo brought on Kalou. And he got stick for that. But he would've gotten stick even if he had kept Torres on because then people would have said he's playing people who're not cutting it.

He brought Josh on in that Villa away game in October. Josh almost gave away 3 points when Reo Cocker nicked the ball off him in injury time and went through on goal but fortunately fluffed his shot. Would Josh and Carlo have escaped criticism had the guy scored? No. We wouldn't hear the end of how he lost us the game.

I actually wasn't fussed about Kalou for Torres by the way

But even with the Villa example I don't think anyone would've looked to Josh as being responsible. We would've appreciated him trying something new and positive for the club in the direction we want them to head. I know in hindsight this seems a bit fake, but I genuinely believe this

  On 08/02/2011 at 01:01, Gianfranco_Z said:

if we beat Fulham 4-0 on Monday you'll be calling him King Carlo etc etc... so fickle

Sigh, no.

We are not plastic fans. This thread is proof of this..

[Madmax 9,219]

  On 08/02/2011 at 01:36, LDN Blue said:

But even with the Villa example I don't think anyone would've looked to Josh as being responsible. We would've appreciated him trying something new and positive for the club in the direction we want them to head. I know in hindsight this seems a bit fake, but I genuinely believe this

Yeah but you only need to look at the general doubting that followed Kakuta's first few performances where he didn't do anything special.

[Kostas 1,468]

Gotta love the attempts to ruin what started as an excellent thread.

[Madmax 9,219]

Gotta love people trying to be smart while having nothing concrete to contribute.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 08/02/2011 at 05:41, Madmax said:

Gotta love people trying to be smart while having nothing concrete to contribute.

People like you ?

[Madmax 9,219]

  On 08/02/2011 at 06:16, Henrique said:

People like you ?

Hello troll Stop trying to kick up arguments

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 08/02/2011 at 06:26, Madmax said:

Hello troll Stop trying to kick up arguments

Yeah, people like you...

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  On 07/02/2011 at 22:48, Madmax said:

He is in a no win situation. If he plays the youth and results suffer, it's his fault for giving them too much responsibility.

No. You don't get it do you?

If he had tried every possible option,tactics,formation and giving our 1 and only youth player left a chance.Then people wouldn't blame Carlo because he's exhausted every possibility. As it stands he's tried nothing,never dropped anybody,never given any youth a chance and never changed a game with a substitution.

  On 07/02/2011 at 22:48, Madmax said:

If he plays the same first eleven every week and we win every game, nobody will complain.

Worst point ever. If we win every week of course we'll be happy.

  On 08/02/2011 at 00:55, Gianfranco_Z said:

I hate these stupid fucking moron threads... we lose one game and it's a disaster... get real, it fucking happens :moaning:

Didn't realise this was our first loss of the season. I take it we played really well against Liverpool and were just unlucky then?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 08/02/2011 at 04:34, Madmax said:

Yeah but you only need to look at the general doubting that followed Kakuta's first few performances where he didn't do anything special.

Yes, good point there. However I fail to write him off. There was, understandably, a lot of hype for him here because he'd demonstrated great skill on the ball and looked like he could walk into the squad. Of course, we can't judge him yet, but yes he hasn't grasped his chances properly as such.

However the difference between him and Josh is. Josh has demonstrated he is more than capable when he comes on. So Carlo should use this, right?