🇧🇷 Ramires

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When he's the best player on the team, something's wrong.

I love the guy, but he's at his best when the pressure is on and your back is against the wall, but we shouldn't be in that position. We should be dominating teams and with him and Lamps in midfield, we simply don't. I hate to criticise the guy because he always puts in a shift, but he simply doesn't fit into the team we want to be going forward.

[bushman 2,043]

Ramires fits into the team just fine. Personally, I wish he was built a bit stronger.

[Igi26 346]

Ramires fits into the team just fine. Personally, I wish he was built a bit stronger.

He is strong for his size, speed and agility. He is actualy very strong, gets out of challanges as winner mostly, tackling is superb, he is also deadly on counter attacks with his pace. Also if he was heavier he wouldn't have same stamina.

[bushman 2,043]

He is strong for his size, speed and agility. He is actualy very strong, gets out of challanges as winner mostly, tackling is superb, he is also deadly on counter attacks with his pace. Also if he was heavier he wouldn't have same stamina.

Sometimes, I have seen him being bounced off quite easily though.

Perhaps, a bit more muscles on his upper body ?

[bitee 12]

i loved this guy from the beginning. a top player

[Land 331]

When he's the best player on the team, something's wrong.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

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What a ridiculous thing to say.

Did you read the rest of my post? If I had just said the line you quoted then I'd probably agree with you, but taken as a whole I think it's less ridiculous no?

[Land 331]

We completely dominated Le Arse on the first half and thats when he played the best

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We completely dominated Le Arse on the first half and thats when he played the best

I thought he stood out more in the second, when we were pretty woeful.

[bababoom 4,478]

Ramires is brilliant technically, he keeps the ball under control.

Are you talking about Chelsea's Ramires? that doesn't sound like him at all.. haha

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'm serious, what matters is to be efficient and Ramires clearly is, most of the time he has to be fouled because opponents can't recover the ball farily.

There's a kind of urban myth about him, his game has to be put in perspective. He's a quite unique player and efficient at everything he does, even the passing game (players with a much vertical game tend not to know to play sideways, Ramires clearly know how to do so)

I agree that the story of him having weak technical abilities is exaggerated, but to say he is technically brilliant is even more of an exaggeration!

[Rmpr 8,977]

I agree that the story of him having weak technical abilities is exaggerated, but to say he is technically brilliant is even more of an exaggeration!

Definetly! Rambo is a great player and better than people think, but to say he is technically brilliant is just as an overreaction.

I do think he does a fine job in his role, but he lacks some ball control, vision, skills, etc.

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Ramires' creativity and ability to pick an unmarked player at the end of his runs makes him one of the best in his position.

Can we move this thread to the Transfer Talk forum - we should really be looking at signing this 'Ramires' guy.

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Do you think Ramires' assist to Drogba against Barcelona was due to the position of the moon, the fact Ramires slipped on the wet pitch or a genuine eye for the pass ?

And that's the most striking example, the one you're the most likely to recall

Some really should put into perspective their *expectations*

I think that game perfectly encapsulates where Ramires is at his best - when we're playing with out backs against the walls and teams commit men forwards. He's able to exploit the broken field, when players are pulled out of position and transition into defence slowly, and make surging runs.

But that depends on other teams dictating the tempo and dominating possession. My contention is that other options in that position would actually allow us to control the game better.

Some should really put individual performances into the context of the game - that's the game they see on the pitch, not on whoscored.com.

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Possession means nothing if you don't have any options to penetrate at the end of your sequences.

Which is what I think we have through the likes of Hazard, Mata, Moses and the playmaker I'd like to have alongside a DM in midfield. I think Ramires is great at turning defence into attack against teams who commit men forward, but if we had a stronger midfield I don't think they'd be in a position to do that quite so much.

That's what my original point related to. If Ramires is our best player, then chances are we're playing on the back foot and he's either defending well (as he did on Sunday) or leading the charge on the breakaway (as he did against Barca). Ideally, we wouldn't be in that position in the first place though.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Ball control, what about beating several players in a row ? How many times does he crashes on the last man to beat ? ... To be fair, not that often.

Vision, are you kidding ? Given his main playing style, the last deliveries are the most difficult thing to get from that kind of players. There's hundreds of players able to take the ball and beat several opponents, what makes the difference is the end product.

Ramires' creativity and ability to pick an unmarked player at the end of his runs makes him one of the best in his position. How many don't have the composure, lucidity and just gives the ball away? Ramires usually gives great deliveries, through space in instance

Skills, I'm not so sure I get you... Obviously he gets caught when he's static but that's pretty similar than the opposite situation in which you ask a holding player to get on the ball and push forward...

Ramires always gets that last touch that makes him being fouled, getting penalties in instance. For me that's skills that serve his playing style and make the efficiency of his game

(And yes, forget about that rabona at White Hart Lane haha)

Did that come from the same part of your brain that said Torres had a really good movement?

Where are the pics?

Rambo is a very good player, but you are exagerating a lot !

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Did that come from the same part of your brain that said Torres had an really good movement?

Where are the pics?

Rambo is a very good player, but you are exagerating a lot /!

I think what he means to say is that its not often that you have a player who charges forward at a high tempo and can still have an eye for a good pass. Ever heard of Walcott the headless chicken? Ramires can offer thrust, and can also make a good pass at the end of his runs. That can be invaluable to the team.

[The Skipper 20,609]

People think Ramires has poor dribbling because he doesn't have the ability to control the ball closely like Hazard for example.

Dribbling is not only about close control though - its about keeping the ball under control, and there can be different ways in doing this - close control dribbling a la Messi or Hazard or direct dribbling a la Bale, Valencia or our own Ramires. Ramires is one of the best in the league when it comes to direct dribbling.

Ramires' passing being poor is a misconception IMO too. He completed around 85% so far this season - far from being poor. Yes, he might not always provide that killer pass (even though he has shown to do it on various occasions) but he rarely loses the ball via his passing, that's fact.

[Spike 12,049]

I don't get Ramires. He is an enigma to me. He'll pull out a solo goal and beat 4 defenders whilst doing it but the next minute he is struggling with simple passes. Tactically I think he is out of his element outside of a 4-3-3...Mikel, Ramires and Moutinho would be my ideal three man midfield, that'd be perfect in this guy's eyes.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Torres goal in the CS shield against City, that was all Ramires, that was such an underrated play, one of our better goals this year imo. Good run by him, great dribbling and a great final pass which I wasn't expecting. He just looks clumsy with the ball but he actually pulls off some amazing plays with his dribbling and passes in the final third.