milllz 43 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 This is the sneijder topic isnt it?..... Just checking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 RUBBISHthe year before Carlo came 34 league appearancesthe year previous 29 An ANC yearhis first season 22RUBBISHThe year before Carlo came, aka the years Essien was injured most part of the season.And most part of his appearances in previous years were as substitute, not as a starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Wrooooooooooong. Mikel was not starting XI under Hiddink. Since Essien recovered from his injury, Mikel went to bench. The midfield was Ballack, Essien, Lampard.The fact is that Mikel became a starting XI under Carlo and must because Ballack left.Zolayes and superfrank have answered your question perfectly. nothing more to add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Zolayes and superfrank have answered your question perfectly. nothing more to addNo, they haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 RUBBISHThe year before Carlo came, aka the years Essien was injured most part of the season.And most part of his appearances in previous years were as substitute, not as a starting XI.But no one said Mikel is better than Essien in his prime. so what exactly is the basis for your argument?I'm only objecting to your stance regarding Mikel being rubbish. He's one of the finest DM's in the premiership mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortilla9 390 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 This is the sneijder topic isnt it?..... Just checkingIt's a Sneijder topic with a little Lampard/Essien/Mikel/Ramires thrown in to keep us on our toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) RUBBISHThe year before Carlo came, aka the years Essien was injured most part of the season.And most part of his appearances in previous years were as substitute, not as a starting XI.check the real facts ....they are available...he played 47 games in the Hiddink yearthe year before Essien played 27 one final stat he is 24 in 5 seasons he has made 158 appearances ...without ANC it would have 170 Edited June 8, 2011 by zolayes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 The only player who worked with 3 and said something about it was Belletti, who said days ago that Hiddink was the best manager he worked with. Checkmate.To be fair with Hiddink incharge i wont be scared one bit of facing Jose in the Champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RX8 40 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 The 3 reasons why Guus is Good at Chelsea is because 1- he is not a coach who you can mess with, he does not care if you are a big Pay player if you don't do it right you are out.2- he can make player play with hearth for the team and help to recover players in bad moments.3- is the owner men of thrus and advisor, so you better do your best or your ass will be in the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Now we are going really off topic...1.I remember Essien or Ramires often being brought on for Mikel at HT.How do you comment that ?I'd say he is slow in transition,doesn't provide the pace that our play desperately requires(check last season).2.It wasn't always both of them.Ballack-Essien-Lampard was our midfield for many seasons.Mikel was never the first choice because we don't have the possibility to play with holding midfielder since Makelele left.Obi was presented as a new Maka,but never proved it on the pitch.2.He gets booked for a meaningless faul while Vieira gets a yellow card to prevent the opposition to create a quick counter-attack and score.It all comes down to this:Mikel or Essien ?Essien- 3 years agoMikel- presently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 check the real facts ....they are available...he played 47 games in the Hiddink yearthe year before Essien played 27Your stats are terrible wrong.League appearances as starting:06/07 - 10 - Jose07/08 - 20 - Jose08/09 - 33 ( when Essien was injured half of the season, he player not because the manager wanted to do so, but because they had to ) - Scolari/Hiddink09/10 - 21 - Carlo10/11 - 28 - CarloAs I said, he played more under Carlo and after Ballack left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Your stats are terrible wrong.League appearances as starting:06/07 - 10 - Jose07/08 - 20 - Jose08/09 - 33 ( when Essien was injured half of the season, he player not because the manager wanted to do so, but because they had to ) - Scolari/Hiddink09/10 - 21 - Carlo10/11 - 28 - CarloAs I said, he played more under Carlo and after Ballack left.How could a mediocre/rubbish player have managed an average of 20 league appearances every season since 2007 under 5 different managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Did he really only start 10 in 06/07? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 How can a mediocre/rubbish player make an average of 20 league appearances every season since 2007 under 5 different managers?Maybe thats why in this period we won only one Premier League trophy and never managed to won a CL.We need a better player than Mikel if we want to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Maybe thats why in this period we won only one Premier League trophy and never managed to won a CL.We need a better player than Mikel if we want to do better.Thats it. Everyone, its been solved. The reason we only won one league title and no Champions League's in the last while is because of John Obi Mikel. He bribbed Overbro, he made JT slip. He was secrectly playing for United and winning them matches while making us play shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thats it. Everyone, its been solved. The reason we only won one league title and no Champions League's in the last while is because of John Obi Mikel. He bribbed Overbro, he made JT slip. He was secrectly playing for United and winning them matches while making us play shite. :D :D You are evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thats it. Everyone, its been solved. The reason we only won one league title and no Champions League's in the last while is because of John Obi Mikel. He bribbed Overbro, he made JT slip. He was secrectly playing for United and winning them matches while making us play shite.Dont need to bitch.The fact he played at least 20 matches in past seasons doesn't mean he is a superb mid.He is good to be used as sub, as a squad player. Mikel is not the future of Chelsea nor our midfielder maestro, as I read it here. He is not sublime or awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Dont need to bitch.The fact he played at least 20 matches in past seasons doesn't mean he is a superb mid.He is good to be used as sub, as a squad player. Mikel is not the future of Chelsea nor our midfielder maestro, as I read it here. He is not sublime or awesome.In layman's term, why is Mikel Obi not good enough for Chelsea (starting 11) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 In layman's term, why is Mikel Obi not good enough for Chelsea (starting 11)Why ?Classless player.--------------------------------------------------------------------We need more creative and classy players like Sneijder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Did he really only start 10 in 06/07? in all comps that year made 24 starts and 17 from the bench ...bear in mind he was 19 ...can't recall anyone that age making that many appearancesfor us since Ray Wilkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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