Chelsea 0-1 Nottm Forest

[Gundalf 804]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Check that stat for players instead of clubs. 

1.Jackson 6

2. Watkins 4

Everyone else 3 or less. 

Yeah, we can talk about systems, formation, set up all day long but truth is if we play the same system we have but with Haaland up front instead of Jackson we would be in the top4 rn. 

Football is about scoring goals. We are creating enough to score goals, but we fail to do so.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Gundalf

[cdubzcfc86 2]

9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Or is it ?
Certainly we are -again- in a tight spot but there is more to it.

Ask first what makes teams fall from grace ?
There are three possible causes:

1) Sellout, all the good players are sold.
This happens with teams-firework. They shine for one-two years, can't stand the economic pressure, prefer to sell out.
2) Aging players and a clueless board don't go to the market to find replacements.
3) Can't maintain the budget, accept their fate is to slide downwards (like case 1. but less rapid).

But none of the above is true of Chelsea football club in 2023.
So what ?

I can't accept it is entirely the fault of either Thomas Tuchel, or Graham Potter, or even Frank Lampard.
It is n't the fault of Poch either.
Certainly not to the extent of the total of disastrous results we 've had.

We have to look inside the team.
I don't like it we gave away a goal to Forest yesterday, same as I did n't like it against Southampton late last season.
But those used to be acceptable casualties in battle.
More often than not we would easily come back.

It looks like we have nothing up front and Jackson is not the wonder medicine.
May prove useful but he is not the wonder drug.
For Mudryk I have already stated my case (should be allowed to stay under brexit rules, profession pizza).
Nkunku was a Bundesliga star. But he's currently out.
It was Olivier Giroud the last one who could pull things out of the fire. After him nothing.
Yesterday's attack formation was a 100% Potter team.

 

 

 

mate look at all the comments and reaction going on !! its so entitled and spoilt its unbelievable.. football is football and the club has a culture atm of - buying, hiring and firing. it has infected the team, the management and the fans to an unfortunate, and potentially detrimental extent.. other teams play as teams because they have been created in ways where they create a team environment.. the managers have had to build teams, and the players around each other over time. this is inevitably inclusive of players of all levels of experience and skill which is what creates a team environment.. Jose had a talent where he could create this quickly, but still using existing club players, existing experience and new signings forming a balanced team/squad. were not doing this atm.. tuchel, frank, potter and potch have all done the same thing - are we really saying theyre all wrong ??

its either that or those managers havent been picking the teams and someone else has !!

we have none of this atm    

[Thor 2,392]

34 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Yeah, we can talk about systems, formation, set up all day long but truth is if we play the same system we have but with Haaland up front instead of Jackson we would be in the top4 rn. 

Football is about scoring goals. We are creating enough to score goals, but we fail to do so.

No we wouldn't. 

We'd be saying what is wrong with Haaland. He is too young. We have overspent again. 

We haven't just made 10 mistakes buying all these players. We haven't. These players were great before they came here. It is a confidence and inexperience issue. Not just that a tactical disaster. 

Silva needs to be an option off the bench. He sets a tone as a leader, and he really does slow us down a lot. Chilly needs to never play LW again. Conor should never play that role again. We're trying to make shit fit that doesn't. 

[coolhead23 1,146]

I believe we will have such moments one too many times this season ... we need to remember that there has been a complete restructuring of Chelsea Football Club, i find it hard to recognize it from the near past. 

Players/Owners/Managers/Culture/Vision: everything! Tough times ahead! 

[SomethingSomething 17]

11 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

This. 

I'm surprised that more people are turning on Poch, when the root cause has been the same problem that it's always been for the past year. It's the new administration.

The lack of experience is what makes for results like these. Colwill, Caicedo are all great players that can fulfill their potential in a few years. But there will be mistakes, and without leaders to control the game on the pitch., this will continue to happen.

And the inexperienced squad is down to the club, not Poch 

I keep bringing up Arsenal from Wengers last few seasons and after, because that's a good example for where we are right now. A factory of youth players that won fuck all.

Hopefully players like Enzo can be molded into leaders, that is, if they stick around with us after back to back seasons like this one.

Tbh confidence of Caicedo and others might be at absolute low and they may never pick up again, at least not here.

[gdlk 272]

A comedy of club bar the coach! 

He cant play atacking football 

[milka 3,347]

12 hours ago, Mário César said:

 

jesus christ

we can not sign a single player above 25 years of age?

wtf is going on?

 

 

Yep Academy Football Club .  

They expect to take over the world with inexperienced children .The Yankees are living in a parallel world if they think this will work.

Just talent is not enough if you don't have leaders by your side to push you. When we took  Hazard, Mata, Oscar, they were talented players, but they had leaders to learn from, such as Cech, Terry, Cole, Mikel, Lampard.Now we take talent from all over the world and just throw them

 

[Pizy 18,368]

The blueprint has 100% been set on how to play against Chelsea when we use this formation by both WH & Forest.

1) Sit super deep and congest the box

2) Let us have all of the possession 

3) Hoof long balls repeatedly up to a super physical, athletic striker who can bully our CB’s 1v1

4) Wait for the guaranteed horror show mistake that they pounce on and score

5) Shut the game down again defensively again

Of course, what could destroy this game plan that every small club we come up against will use is to have an actual, natural attacking player instead of Chilly playing high up and most importantly of all SCORE BEFORE THEY DO. If we fucking scored goals before our opponents they’d then have to open up and chase the game. 

[Thor 2,392]

2 hours ago, SomethingSomething said:

Tbh confidence of Caicedo and others might be at absolute low and they may never pick up again, at least not here.

Never pick up again? He is 2 games in... 21 years old.

Where do people come up with this?  

[Mário César 975]

bohley is playing football manager

[NikkiCFC 7,955]

[DDA 9,690]

23 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Saw this yesterday. Silva needs to chill.

[Mário César 975]

3 hours ago, milka said:

Yep Academy Football Club .  

They expect to take over the world with inexperienced children .The Yankees are living in a parallel world if they think this will work.

Just talent is not enough if you don't have leaders by your side to push you. When we took  Hazard, Mata, Oscar, they were talented players, but they had leaders to learn from, such as Cech, Terry, Cole, Mikel, Lampard.Now we take talent from all over the world and just throw them

 

exactly

mudryk and madueke alone cost 100M and neither is ready

the management is betting everything on youngsters with potential and that has proven to be a mistake

it's good to buy a few players like that, but that's it. it's not about living off them.

they're ruining the club. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,306]

They'll never be ready if all they see is the bench and a LB starting over them for fucks sake. 

[Vesper 28,856]

14 hours ago, Vesper said:

I have little problem with is at all

let's look at my dream wants ages from the last two windows 

by position

(not listing pipedreams who are also under 26: Mbappe (24), Håland (23), Vini Jr (23), Bukayo Saka (21), Phil Foden (23), Pedri (20), Donnarumma (23), William Saliba (22), Bastoni (24), Rodrygo (20), Martin Ødegaard (24), or Martinelli (22))

ALL of these are 25 or under (and lower down in my 'too old' list you will see that only SEVEN non GKers are over 26. and of those 7, only Skriniar was actually possible)

Diogo Costa    
Goalkeeper
23

Giorgi Mamardashvili   
Goalkeeper
22

Josko Gvardiol   
Centre-Back
21

Ronald Araújo
Centre-Back
24

António Silva
Centre-Back
19

Alphonso Davies
Left-Back
22   

Nuno Mendes
Left-Back
21  

Theo Hernández  
Left-Back
25

Achraf Hakimi
Right-Back
24

Jeremie Frimpong   
Right-Back
22

Aurélien Tchouaméni
Defensive Midfield
23

Bruno Guimarães   
Defensive Midfield
25

Manuel Ugarte
Defensive Midfield
22

Jude Bellingham
Central Midfield
20

Federico Valverde
Central Midfield
25   

Gavi  
Central Midfield
19   

Eduardo Camavinga  
Central Midfield
20

Jamal Musiala 
Attacking Midfield
20    

Florian Wirtz   (IF healthy) 
Attacking Midfield
20

Xavi Simons 
Attacking Midfield
20

Rafael Leão
Left Winger
24    

Khvicha Kvaratskhelia
Left Winger
22

Federico Chiesa  (if healthy)
Left Winger
25

Moussa Diaby  
Right Winger
24

João Félix  
Second Striker
23

Victor Osimhen  
Centre-Forward
24    

Randal Kolo Muani   
Centre-Forward
24   

Julián Álvarez   
Centre-Forward
23

Dusan Vlahovic   
Centre-Forward
23    

 

The only 26yo or older players I rated to buy (very few and many are impossible, and FIVE are GKers and many (8) are 26yo, so missed it by months)

no 30yo and up non GKers (only Kane, De Bruyne, and Salah are excluded, guck Neymar, I never wanted him once he left Barca, he was a pipedream and is poison)

only 15 non GKers and of those 15, EIGHT are 26yo

bold are the only 27yo and up who are non GKers, and only one of those 7 (Skriniar), was actually available

Thibaut Courtois   
Goalkeeper
31    

Ederson
Goalkeeper
30    

Jan Oblak    
Goalkeeper
30

Alisson   
Goalkeeper
30    

Mike Maignan 
Goalkeeper
28 

Rúben Dias   
Centre-Back
26    

Marquinhos  
Centre-Back
29    

Milan Skriniar   
Centre-Back
28    

Rodri    
Defensive Midfield
27   

Joshua Kimmich    
Defensive Midfield
28

Frenkie de Jong   
Central Midfield
26    

Nicolò Barella  
Central Midfield
26

Lucas Paquetá   
Attacking Midfield
26

James Maddison   
Attacking Midfield
26

Luis Díaz  
Left Winger
26   

Kingsley Coman   
Left Winger
27

Leroy Sané  
Right Winger
27   

Ousmane Dembélé  
Right Winger
26   

Serge Gnabry  
Right Winger
28

Lautaro Martínez    
Centre-Forward
26

I wanted to revisit this and vastly narrow it down

first off the ONLY 27 and older actually available WC players we could have bought and passed on were just 2, (maybe 3 if you add Maignan, which I listed but did not call a vital WC buy above), and 2 were GKers (Oblak (30) and possibly Maignan (28) ), plus Skriniar (28), with Oblak and Skriniar the 2 players of I have begged for us to buy for years

now that said

the board said no one over 25 

IF that is true

they should have said 26

I will admit that only ONE YEAR did make a difference, to a point, (albeit a narrow one, but potentially massive) on the following

as IF 26 (not 25) and under we could have went for these 26yo players (all listed in my original post)

only 6 names, but all would have been extremely beneficial buys, especially either of the 2 26yo AMFs (my first 3 AMFs, all who are well UNDER the 25yo cutoff, so not affected by it, were all impossible this window)

(I will add, of these 6 total players, I know many here do not rate Dembele and Lautaro as much as I do, but they are 26 as well)

Frenkie de Jong   
Central Midfield
26    

Nicolò Barella  
Central Midfield
26

Lucas Paquetá   
Attacking Midfield
26

James Maddison   
Attacking Midfield
26

Ousmane Dembélé  
Right Winger
26   

Lautaro Martínez    
Centre-Forward
26

 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Vesper

[Vytis33 1,144]

 Yesterday was demoralizing

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,306]

I don't want to hear about transfers. It's done. 

All I want to hear is tactics and how Poch will develop this lot. 

[NikkiCFC 7,955]

2 hours ago, Mário César said:

mudryk and madueke alone cost 100M and neither is ready

For that money we could have got Leao.