Chelsea 0-1 Nottm Forest

[robsblubot 3,595]

Stats suggest Jackson wasn't that clinical in front of the goal--he wasn't... quite disappointing performance. Like I said earlier, it's far more important to me that he can intercept a pass into the box, than drop deep to make a nice runs--let others do that.

Eyeballs suggest we did not create nearly enough against an opposition we should be beating comfortably. We managed to pin them in their own half a few times during the match, but never had the control of the match. Not good enough.

Everything plays a part. Ignoring teamwork, 9+ other players, and focusing on whether 1 or 2 players can kick the ball just right is maddening to me. 😄

I'm not disregarding top quality in front of the goal, but only really a few clubs have that... and certainly not our opposition today.

To be clear I've been saying we lack quality (in numbers) in attack for a while and that our subs for the wings and striker are either too young, not good enough, or both.

Edited September 2, 2023 by robsblubot

[Johnnyeye 7,501]

long season ahead, better not have too much expectations with this lot.

[cdubzcfc86 2]

funny how were always up early on motd when we loose, that spurs twat liniker seemed so smug talking about it too.. last week we won 3 - 0 and we had a short snip 2nd last shown - this week, when we lost, our 0-1 home defeat was played ahead of 4 and 5 goal games.. aul shit the pitch must edit motd as well as present it...

[Mário César 1,249]

16 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

long season ahead, better not have too much expectations with this lot.

our club as a top club ended with the sanctions

Chelsea has been ruined by bohly ideas 

[cosmicway 1,333]

29 minutes ago, Mário César said:

our club as a top club ended with the sanctions

Chelsea has been ruined by bohly ideas 

Or is it ?
Certainly we are -again- in a tight spot but there is more to it.

Ask first what makes teams fall from grace ?
There are three possible causes:

1) Sellout, all the good players are sold.
This happens with teams-firework. They shine for one-two years, can't stand the economic pressure, prefer to sell out.
2) Aging players and a clueless board don't go to the market to find replacements.
3) Can't maintain the budget, accept their fate is to slide downwards (like case 1. but less rapid).

But none of the above is true of Chelsea football club in 2023.
So what ?

I can't accept it is entirely the fault of either Thomas Tuchel, or Graham Potter, or even Frank Lampard.
It is n't the fault of Poch either.
Certainly not to the extent of the total of disastrous results we 've had.

We have to look inside the team.
I don't like it we gave away a goal to Forest yesterday, same as I did n't like it against Southampton late last season.
But those used to be acceptable casualties in battle.
More often than not we would easily come back.

It looks like we have nothing up front and Jackson is not the wonder medicine.
May prove useful but he is not the wonder drug.
For Mudryk I have already stated my case (should be allowed to stay under brexit rules, profession pizza).
Nkunku was a Bundesliga star. But he's currently out.
It was Olivier Giroud the last one who could pull things out of the fire. After him nothing.
Yesterday's attack formation was a 100% Potter team.

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by cosmicway

[Thor 2,692]

3 hours ago, TheHulk said:

A shame Disasi escaped.

Silva has been a lethargy on the teams intensity. He really sets the tempo with his play, but most aren't commenting on it. I'm starting to see it more and more on twitter - which leads me to believe I'm not crazy. 

Our team plays slow, and a large part of it is Silva. It isn't all him, but I see it a lot as far as building from the back. This team is young, and wants to run. Just like Ibra crutched Man United, despite being individually good, he is slowing us down as a team. 

[Gundalf 805]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Check that stat for players instead of clubs. 

1.Jackson 6

2. Watkins 4

Everyone else 3 or less. 

Yeah, we can talk about systems, formation, set up all day long but truth is if we play the same system we have but with Haaland up front instead of Jackson we would be in the top4 rn. 

Football is about scoring goals. We are creating enough to score goals, but we fail to do so.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Gundalf

[cdubzcfc86 2]

9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Or is it ?
Certainly we are -again- in a tight spot but there is more to it.

Ask first what makes teams fall from grace ?
There are three possible causes:

1) Sellout, all the good players are sold.
This happens with teams-firework. They shine for one-two years, can't stand the economic pressure, prefer to sell out.
2) Aging players and a clueless board don't go to the market to find replacements.
3) Can't maintain the budget, accept their fate is to slide downwards (like case 1. but less rapid).

But none of the above is true of Chelsea football club in 2023.
So what ?

I can't accept it is entirely the fault of either Thomas Tuchel, or Graham Potter, or even Frank Lampard.
It is n't the fault of Poch either.
Certainly not to the extent of the total of disastrous results we 've had.

We have to look inside the team.
I don't like it we gave away a goal to Forest yesterday, same as I did n't like it against Southampton late last season.
But those used to be acceptable casualties in battle.
More often than not we would easily come back.

It looks like we have nothing up front and Jackson is not the wonder medicine.
May prove useful but he is not the wonder drug.
For Mudryk I have already stated my case (should be allowed to stay under brexit rules, profession pizza).
Nkunku was a Bundesliga star. But he's currently out.
It was Olivier Giroud the last one who could pull things out of the fire. After him nothing.
Yesterday's attack formation was a 100% Potter team.

 

 

 

mate look at all the comments and reaction going on !! its so entitled and spoilt its unbelievable.. football is football and the club has a culture atm of - buying, hiring and firing. it has infected the team, the management and the fans to an unfortunate, and potentially detrimental extent.. other teams play as teams because they have been created in ways where they create a team environment.. the managers have had to build teams, and the players around each other over time. this is inevitably inclusive of players of all levels of experience and skill which is what creates a team environment.. Jose had a talent where he could create this quickly, but still using existing club players, existing experience and new signings forming a balanced team/squad. were not doing this atm.. tuchel, frank, potter and potch have all done the same thing - are we really saying theyre all wrong ??

its either that or those managers havent been picking the teams and someone else has !!

we have none of this atm    

[Thor 2,692]

34 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Yeah, we can talk about systems, formation, set up all day long but truth is if we play the same system we have but with Haaland up front instead of Jackson we would be in the top4 rn. 

Football is about scoring goals. We are creating enough to score goals, but we fail to do so.

No we wouldn't. 

We'd be saying what is wrong with Haaland. He is too young. We have overspent again. 

We haven't just made 10 mistakes buying all these players. We haven't. These players were great before they came here. It is a confidence and inexperience issue. Not just that a tactical disaster. 

Silva needs to be an option off the bench. He sets a tone as a leader, and he really does slow us down a lot. Chilly needs to never play LW again. Conor should never play that role again. We're trying to make shit fit that doesn't. 

[coolhead23 1,147]

I believe we will have such moments one too many times this season ... we need to remember that there has been a complete restructuring of Chelsea Football Club, i find it hard to recognize it from the near past. 

Players/Owners/Managers/Culture/Vision: everything! Tough times ahead! 

[SomethingSomething 17]

11 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

This. 

I'm surprised that more people are turning on Poch, when the root cause has been the same problem that it's always been for the past year. It's the new administration.

The lack of experience is what makes for results like these. Colwill, Caicedo are all great players that can fulfill their potential in a few years. But there will be mistakes, and without leaders to control the game on the pitch., this will continue to happen.

And the inexperienced squad is down to the club, not Poch 

I keep bringing up Arsenal from Wengers last few seasons and after, because that's a good example for where we are right now. A factory of youth players that won fuck all.

Hopefully players like Enzo can be molded into leaders, that is, if they stick around with us after back to back seasons like this one.

Tbh confidence of Caicedo and others might be at absolute low and they may never pick up again, at least not here.

[gdlk 286]

A comedy of club bar the coach! 

He cant play atacking football 

[milka 3,390]

12 hours ago, Mário César said:

 

jesus christ

we can not sign a single player above 25 years of age?

wtf is going on?

 

 

Yep Academy Football Club .  

They expect to take over the world with inexperienced children .The Yankees are living in a parallel world if they think this will work.

Just talent is not enough if you don't have leaders by your side to push you. When we took  Hazard, Mata, Oscar, they were talented players, but they had leaders to learn from, such as Cech, Terry, Cole, Mikel, Lampard.Now we take talent from all over the world and just throw them

 

[Pizy 18,877]

The blueprint has 100% been set on how to play against Chelsea when we use this formation by both WH & Forest.

1) Sit super deep and congest the box

2) Let us have all of the possession 

3) Hoof long balls repeatedly up to a super physical, athletic striker who can bully our CB’s 1v1

4) Wait for the guaranteed horror show mistake that they pounce on and score

5) Shut the game down again defensively again

Of course, what could destroy this game plan that every small club we come up against will use is to have an actual, natural attacking player instead of Chilly playing high up and most importantly of all SCORE BEFORE THEY DO. If we fucking scored goals before our opponents they’d then have to open up and chase the game. 

[Thor 2,692]

2 hours ago, SomethingSomething said:

Tbh confidence of Caicedo and others might be at absolute low and they may never pick up again, at least not here.

Never pick up again? He is 2 games in... 21 years old.

Where do people come up with this?