Ossie the King 634 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Bielsa is not a good option. We need a long term option. Bielsa has had mixed success on the international level but I think his achievements at club level have been poor. He seems to last a year or two then quit/resign/get sacked. No point going for him or even Sampaoli, who speaks no English and has very little success at club level too. The next move has got to be 100% right, no more AVBs or Di Matteos. You pick the coach based on who fits the philosophy of the club don't you? Either that or you allow him to define it himself (in the way Wenger was allowed to).So here's the question - who defines this club's philosophy? You've defended Emenalo in the other thread and you've praised the purchases made (logic would dictate that the vast majority of signings would be done to service the style of football the team played wouldn't it, otherwise you're just buying appreciating assets which is scattergun and wasting a massive scouting network). Is it him? stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well continuing the trend, old Sparkey should be next Psycho Pearce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRiver 1,512 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 For the sake of the club's identity, I hope Guardiola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,952 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Think even if we offered Pep £15m a season AND offered him total authority on football matters he'd turn us down. Ossie the King, TheIceMan and Ainsley Harriott 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Think even if we offered Pep £15m a season AND offered him total authority on football matters he'd turn us down.Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 he's not even here - and could never be - but only the prospect of Guardiola really coming already changed my heart a bit about him.I hate him with a passion - as the SOB he is and I have a few questions about his quality when he did what he did to that perfect Bayern team in less than 6 months.He's not bad, I just don't think he's as good as people claim him to be.All that said, he's the best option to be our permanent choice. Klopp would have always been my preference, but that ship already sailed.It's unbelievable - I should stop posting my intolerance towards players/managers I hate saying I won't watch the team with them, I always suck in even before they're here. So all my posts about how I'd have a very hard time watching my team managed by Pep? All BS now and the guy could end up not even coming.Once the guy becomes a Blue it becomes very hard to carry on hating them - only Benitez made the exception. Still can't stand his face.My thoughts exactly. The guy is a complete tool of a person and very overrated as a manager.But then Jose was a tool at times and even though Pep is overrated he's still the best manager we could get unless Simeone is available so i'd be happy with him even though I don't like him. I'm sure i'd grow to like him too, especially if I know that it was him or some useless twat like Pellegrini or Rodgers. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 would anyone take AVB back since he has gone away and learnt more?A lot of people always said about him......right man, wrong time TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 would anyone take AVB back since he has gone away and learnt more?A lot of people always said about him......right man, wrong timeFrom what I have seen of Tottenham under him and head about his Zenit side they make LVGs United look entertaining.I'm not that bothered about flashy football, but there's not playing "great" football (Simeone, Mou) then there's LVG and AVB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 From what I have seen of Tottenham under him and head about his Zenit side they make LVGs United look entertaining.I'm not that bothered about flashy football, but there's not playing "great" football (Simeone, Mou) then there's LVG and AVB.so that's a "no" then Muzchap and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,952 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Why?He probably sees us a a classless, rash club who constantly sacks managers and is always in the news for the wrong reasons. Add on to that the fact that we won't be in the CL next season and would need a total rebuild to suit his football and there's just no way he'd take on such a mammoth task.He goes to City who already play attacking, fluid footbal, have unlimited funds, and will be in the CL. Easy job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 He probably sees us a a classless, rash club who constantly sacks managers and is always in the news for the wrong reasons. Add on to that the fact that we won't be in the CL next season and would need a total rebuild to suit his football and there's just no way he'd take on such a mammoth task.He goes to City who already play attacking, fluid footbal, have unlimited funds, and will be in the CL. Easy job.Unless Mourinho's digs about the Gardener being able to win at the club's Pep has managed has touched a nerve?Winning the CL with Chelsea before Mourinho, the self proclaimed Chelsea Hero would be a nice 'poke in the eye' Mana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Chelsea target Diego Simeone would demand control of transfer policy to take charge at Stamford BridgeExclusive: Atletico Madrid manager feels final say on purchases is non-negotiable condition of becoming long-term successor to Jose MourinhoRoman Abramovich will have to change Chelsea’s transfer strategy to make Diego Simeone the club’s next permanent manager as the Argentine would demand the final say over technical director Michael Emenalo on all incoming players.The Chelsea owner has made Simeone one of his top targets, along with Pep Guardiola, to take over at Stamford Bridge at the end of the season, following last week’s decision to sack Jose Mourinho and install Guus Hiddink as caretaker manager.Hiddink made himself popular with the Chelsea players on his first official day of working with them when he changed their Christmas plans to give them Boxing Day night with their families after the game against Watford in an attempt to improve a mood that became tense under Mourinho.While Hiddink attempts to save Chelsea’s season, Abramovich must look for his next permanent appointment and faces a dilemma over Atlético Madrid manager Simeone, who would immediately want at least five new players to follow him as part of a Stamford Bridge rebuild.A source close to Simeone told The Telegraph that he is extremely happy at Atlético and will only consider quitting Spain for Chelsea if all of his conditions are met. The final say over all incoming transfers would be a “non-negotiable”.Emenalo plays a big role in Chelsea’s transfer business and Mourinho even admitted he had nothing to do with the summer signing of central defender Papy Djilobodji.Abramovich essentially backed Emenalo over Mourinho by not signing any of the big-name outfield stars the Portuguese wanted in the summer, other than Radamel Falcao on loan, and then holding the 52-year-old to account for the abysmal Premier League title defence.With no permanent manager at Chelsea, Emenalo will take sole charge of the club’s January transfer window plans and chase targets such as Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy and Shakhtar Donetsk attacking midfielder Alex Teixeira.But Simeone would not stand for any Emenalo signings in the mould of Djilobodji or Michael Hector, who was immediately loaned back to Championship club Reading.Simeone works closely with Atlético sporting director José Luis Caminero but retains the final say and right of veto over any incoming signings and the 45-year-old would not be prepared to give that up.That would put Abramovich in the tricky position of either having to choose between Emenalo and Simeone, or attempting to negotiate some sort of compromise that suits both parties.If Abramovich refuses Simeone’s demands, or cannot convince Guardiola to snub Manchester City, he would turn his attention to Italy coach Antonio Conte or Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri.Hiring Simeone would be an expensive process. The former midfielder earns £4.4 million net at Atlético and his buy-out clause, which would have to be met, is just under £15 million.Abramovich would also have to make big funds available to Simeone, who would want the freedom to make major changes to the first-team squad.Although he has previously shown an interest in managing in the Premier League, Simeone does not speak English.Peter Kenyon, the former Chelsea chief executive, could play a major part in any negotiations between the Blues and Atlético, as he is an official adviser to the Spanish club’s board.Hiddink held a low-key first full training session yesterday, as he discussed the remaining targets for the season in a 3pm team meeting and then put the Chelsea squad through their paces with assistants Steve Holland and Eddie Newton. After Watford, Chelsea face Manchester United at Old Trafford on Dec 28.Meanwhile, Chelsea and Vitesse Arnhem have been cleared of having an improper relationship by the Dutch football association.The independent probe established no undue influence by Chelsea over the Dutch club, to whom they have been regularly loaning players over the past five years, following allegations by former owner Merab Jordania that Chelsea heavily influenced policy at the club.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12065449/Chelsea-target-Diego-Simeone-would-demand-control-of-transfer-policy-to-take-charge-at-Stamford-Bridge.htmlNo way that Simeone, Guardiola or any manager should get the full say on transfers over Chelsea's number one legend Emenalo Essien19, Tautvix, the wes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 You pick the coach based on who fits the philosophy of the club don't you? Either that or you allow him to define it himself (in the way Wenger was allowed to).So here's the question - who defines this club's philosophy? You've defended Emenalo in the other thread and you've praised the purchases made (logic would dictate that the vast majority of signings would be done to service the style of football the team played wouldn't it, otherwise you're just buying appreciating assets which is scattergun and wasting a massive scouting network). Is it him?Regardless of who picks the philosophy or whatever, the next manager has to be the right one that fits whatever direction the club want to go. Ideally it would be Pep but again I don't think Pep will come here, I feel his style has also gotten to the point where even at Bayern they are starting to regress slightly which has me worrying. Mourinho was never going to have us playing brilliant attacking football, even with the squad we have, anyone who thought we'd be able to maintain the style from the first 12 games of last season has to be serious it was Jose in charge, it wouldn't last. The last few years the recruitment has been good, Emenalo has been a big part of that, obviously they had a bigger picture for Chelsea regarding the style and philosophy but Mourinho was never going to have his team playing that overly expansive football week in week out, its just not his forte, they wouldn't be exactly on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! stroey 2,525 Posted December 23, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted December 23, 2015 For the sake of the club's identity, I hope Guardiola.If you meant identity in terms of attacking/possession/dominant football I'd say OK Guardiola will give you that. If you meant identity in terms of having a ''gentlemen'' as the club's manager, I'd suggest you look at this video: He did this to his medical team and after that they resigned. So if people think Jose is an asshole, then Pep is also one. Special, Tautvix, Green Lantern18 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 If you meant identity in terms of attacking/possession/dominant football I'd say OK Guardiola will give you that. If you meant identity in terms of having a ''gentlemen'' as the club's manager, I'd suggest you look at this video: He did this to his medical team and after that they resigned. So if people think Jose is an asshole, then Pep is also one. Mourinho is an arrogant git who doesn't know how to lose or acknowledge his own mistakes.Based on what many people - players and staff - that worked with Pep brought to the public, he's simply a snake. stroey, Green Lantern18 and Essien19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSunshine 672 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Thierry Henry on Guardiola's philosophy Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Roman Abramovich will have to change #Chelseas transfer strategy to make Diego Simeone the clubs next permanent manager. [Telegraph]Diego Simeone will demand the final say over technical director Michael Emenalo on all incoming players at #Chelsea. [Telegraph]Abramovich has made Simeone one of his top targets, along with Pep Guardiola, to take over at Stamford Bridge in the summer. [Telegraph]Diego Simeone's extremely happy at Atlético and will only consider quitting Spain for #Chelsea if all of his conditions are met. [Telegraph]Peter Kenyon, the former #Chelsea chief executive, is an official adviser to Atléticos board and could play a major role. [Telegraph]If Abramovich refuses Simeones demands, or cannot convince Guardiola to snub City, he'd turn his attention to Conte or Allegri. [Telegraph] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Didier Drogbas agent has confirmed that #Chelsea have made an offer to the 37-year-old to return to Stamford Bridge. [standard] Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky 739 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 With all the top managers having their difficult moments and getting the sack or just staying at a club 3 years max you have to respect Alex Ferguson for the success and longevity he had with Man Utd as much as I dislike his personality and club.Seriously will there ever me another manager that will stay at one club bringing success over the many team rebuilds he saw through with consistent success? I don't think is going to be one in today's dynamic modern game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Pep Guardiola will be the coach of Manchester City. The Bayern coach has already found a new Club. (via @kicker_bl_li) #CFC #MCFCDubai Sports Channel reporter in Abu Dhabi : "It is 99.99999% certain that Pep Guardiola will coach City." (via @hamed_alharthi) #MCFC #CFCKicker.de confirm the Pep Guardiola to #MCFC deal is “clear” and it’s been rubber stamped by “reliable English sources”.Bild now also reporting Manchester City have tied up the services of Pep Guardiola. #MCFC #CFC Essien19, stroey and Fernando 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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