The Next Manager?

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:24, Rmpr said:

Not true at all. You are comparing one of oour most unbalanced teams ever with Atleticos best year in the last couple of decades. Which is neither indicative nor fair in the comparison between the two managers.

Mourinho's first squad would tear that Atletico apart...

Mourinho would of done the same this season and last season. The way we set up at PSG, Simeone would never be that defensive. The counter attacking approach would of been much more incisive.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:24, Rmpr said:

Mourinho's first squad would tear that Atletico apart...

The same team that struggled against Benitez's Liverpool? We would definitely have been in with a better shout but to suggest we'd have torn that Atletico side apart is a huge disservice.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:37, Stats said:

Mourinho would of done the same this season and last season. The way we set up at PSG, Simeone would never be that defensive. The counter attacking approach would of been much more incisive.

Sorry, you just cant say that. You simply dont know. You are basing all of this because of ONE work of his in Atletico. You cant sit and say Simeone wouldnt be as defensive had he our squad to manage instead of Altetico's.

If you looked at our team in 04-07 we also werent nearly as defensive. But that is because we had a killer team. Back then Mourinho wasnt as defensive (just like you are arguing Simeone isnt), but that is because he had a squad to do so.

Anyways, what I am trying to say and it is true is that in the first pressure moment Simeone has here in CFC he will turn all defensive. Plus the fact he has a personality very, very similar to Jose and boom...2015 all over again. Sorry if you cant see it but its true.

Now, if we change 90% of our squad Simeone might be the perfect Manager but then if we do that I will ask you, what was the point of firing Jose?

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:49, Rmpr said:

Sorry, you just cant say that. You simply dont know. You are basing all of this because of ONE work of his in Atletico. You cant sit and say Simeone wouldnt be as defensive had he our squad to manage instead of Altetico's.

If you looked at our team in 04-07 we also werent nearly as defensive. But that is because we had a killer team. Back then Mourinho wasnt as defensive (just like you are arguing Simeone isnt), but that is because he had a squad to do so.

Anyways, what I am trying to say and it is true is that in the first pressure moment Simeone has here in CFC he will turn all defensive. Plus the fact he has a personality very, very similar to Jose and boom...2015 all over again. Sorry if you cant see it but its true.

Now, if we change 90% of our squad Simeone might be the perfect Manager but then if we do that I will ask you, what was the point of firing Jose?

I think he gets the right balance right. Time will tell if he could replicate his style at Atletico if he was to be appointed here but for one I think he develops a greater rapport with players. I never have liked Jose's idea of playing Azpi at LB and having Ivan at RB for long term. If Simeone came here when Luis was here, no way would he of allowed him to depart. Also I just prefer his general attitude and think he would get the best out of our players. What he has done with Atletico is nothing short of sensational and he is at it again this season.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:49, Rmpr said:

Sorry, you just cant say that. You simply dont know. You are basing all of this because of ONE work of his in Atletico. You cant sit and say Simeone wouldnt be as defensive had he our squad to manage instead of Altetico's.

If you looked at our team in 04-07 we also werent nearly as defensive. But that is because we had a killer team. Back then Mourinho wasnt as defensive (just like you are arguing Simeone isnt), but that is because he had a squad to do so.

Anyways, what I am trying to say and it is true is that in the first pressure moment Simeone has here in CFC he will turn all defensive. Plus the fact he has a personality very, very similar to Jose and boom...2015 all over again. Sorry if you cant see it but its true.

Now, if we change 90% of our squad Simeone might be the perfect Manager but then if we do that I will ask you, what was the point of firing Jose?

Assuming we keep all these

------------Courtois-----------

Cesar----?????---Zouma----Baba

--------Matic---??????------

Willian-----Oscar--------Hazard

-----------Costa--------------

That's a line up to fit Simeone before we get players in. Pedro could easily replace one of them 3 AMs also.

He will also probably keep Terry, Cahill, Ramires, Begovic and maybe even Mikel and Amelia as squad players aswell as likely give Kennedy, RLC and maybe another couple of young players a squad place.

Ivanovic, Cesc, Remy and Falcao will likely be the casulties if Diego comesin. Only Remy because at 29 the club might want to get a decent fee while they still can.

So that already accounts for 18-19 squad places, he will probably want 4-5 quality additions to improve the first Xl and squad depth but all things considered, that isn't an unreasonable demand.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:49, stroey said:

Dave O’Connell ‏@DaveOCKOP

Pep Guardiola's brother has confirmed he is taking the Man City job. (BeIN Sports)

damn! Roman FFS why u don't talk to him!!!

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  On 20/12/2015 at 17:59, Stats said:

I think he gets the right balance right. Time will tell if he could replicate his style at Atletico if he was to be appointed here but for one I think he develops a greater rapport with players. I never have liked Jose's idea of playing Azpi at LB and having Ivan at RB for long term. If Simeone came here when Luis was here, no way would he of allowed him to depart. Also I just prefer his general attitude and think he would get the best out of our players. What he has done with Atletico is nothing short of sensational and he is at it again this season.

Ok, I get what you are saying but I still disagree and I think the two examples you gave me are really terrible.

1. Mourinho tried to find a LB. Filipe Luis and Baba were signed but both didnt impress him. I dont think Jose really thought Azi as LB and Iva as RB were long term solutions. I am not excusing him for failing to adress it or anything. But its not like he didnt try or thought they were long term solutions.

2. Luis is not even a top defender, he makes too many mistakes. Plus the money was absurd. The true mistake was not signing anyone to replace him. But selling him was excellent business. Just like Simeone didnt hesitate to sell Falcao and then Costa. The difference is he replaced them with the proper personel.

Now, again to the Simeone thing. He works best when he has players of strong character and will in his squad. Jist like Didier, JT, Lampard, Cole and Cech were for us in the past decade. However, this squad we have is different. Hazard Fabregas, Zouma, William and Oscar dont have leadership and strong character. They are great players but they arent built to work with a manager on the style of Simeone, Mourinho, Ferguson, etc. It wont work.

The only way Simeone would work on Chelsea is if he comes and changes the whole squad. Buuuuuut that is where I questioned you in my previous quote. If we would need to change the majority of our squad for Simeone to come, why didnt we just let Jose keep the job and let him rebuild in the next two windows?

So, I honestly think its better to try to find a manager that fits what works with the players that we have rather than to try to create another conflict between those players and a new manager. Thats why I dont want Simeone. I want someone like Bielsa, San Paoli or even Guus if he can do a great job.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 10:14, Thendo said:

This is quite interesting:

Jokanovic confirmed by #bbc5live on Sportsweek as next #ffc manager subject to agreeing compensation with Maccabi…

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:06, Tomo said:

Assuming we keep all these

------------Courtois-----------

Cesar----?????---Zouma----Baba

--------Matic---??????------

Willian-----Oscar--------Hazard

-----------Costa--------------

That's a line up to fit Simeone before we get players in. Pedro could easily replace one of them 3 AMs also.

He will also probably keep Terry, Cahill, Ramires, Begovic and maybe even Mikel and Amelia as squad players aswell as likely give Kennedy, RLC and maybe another couple of young players a squad place.

Ivanovic, Cesc, Remy and Falcao will likely be the casulties if Diego comesin. Only Remy because at 29 the club might want to get a decent fee while they still can.

So that already accounts for 18-19 squad places, he will probably want 4-5 quality additions to improve the first Xl and squad depth but all things considered, that isn't an unreasonable demand.

1. Neither Cesar or Baba fit the type of full backs Simeone usually plays with.

2. You want to go into a new season with Oscar, William and Hazard as our AMs again? Havent they show enough flaws as a unity already? Simeone would NEVER build a midfield with so little physicality, speed and quick passing. It will just not happen, EVER.

3. I dont believe Costa can regain form. Referees hate him, he seems completely uninterested and I dont even know if Simeone would want to work with him again. He is the kinda of manager who utilises a player but isnt afraid to move on to younger prospects.

So, with the 2 positions you already pointed out plus a new AM and a ST that would be 4 markee 30m+ signings. Which, honestly, is quite a lot. And then, by this point, even Jose would succeed with 4 bew starting players...

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:06, Tomo said:

Assuming we keep all these

------------Courtois-----------

Cesar----?????---Zouma----Baba

--------Matic---??????------

Willian-----Oscar--------Hazard

-----------Costa--------------

That's a line up to fit Simeone before we get players in. Pedro could easily replace one of them 3 AMs also.

He will also probably keep Terry, Cahill, Ramires, Begovic and maybe even Mikel and Amelia as squad players aswell as likely give Kennedy, RLC and maybe another couple of young players a squad place.

Ivanovic, Cesc, Remy and Falcao will likely be the casulties if Diego comesin. Only Remy because at 29 the club might want to get a decent fee while they still can.

So that already accounts for 18-19 squad places, he will probably want 4-5 quality additions to improve the first Xl and squad depth but all things considered, that isn't an unreasonable demand.

Would you want to see more changes to the starting 11? I would.

Baba has a lot to prove now and hopefully he gets an extended run.

Matic has been struggling for a long time, and the same goes for both Oscar and Costa.

Courtois, Azpi (at RB), Zouma, Willian and Hazard are great pieces to build around.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:24, Rmpr said:

1. Neither Cesar or Baba fit the type of full backs Simeone usually plays with.

2. You want to go into a new season with Oscar, William and Hazard as our AMs again? Havent they show enough flaws as a unity already? Simeone would NEVER build a midfield with so little physicality, speed and quick passing. It will just not happen, EVER.

3. I dont believe Costa can regain form. Referees hate him, he seems completely uninterested and I dont even know if Simeone would want to work with him again. He is the kinda of manager who utilises a player but isnt afraid to move on to younger prospects.

So, with the 2 positions you already pointed out plus a new AM and a ST that would be 4 markee 30m+ signings. Which, honestly, is quite a lot. And then, by this point, even Jose would succeed with 4 bew starting players...

I was just using the base of what we already have, that was up for change with the signings and players getting pushed down the pecking order.

With good scouting and transfer brain we could always find not great but very good players who fit the system perfectly, look at how Alderwierld has transformed Tottenhams defence almost by himself.

Plus its too early to write off Costa, if he's still shitting it in May ot latest this time next year then he's done, but I ain't writing him off right now.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:13, xPetrCechx said:

damn! Roman FFS why u don't talk to him!!!

Pellegrini is another back up option:

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Chelsea have contacted Pellegrini about taking over there next summer, with Guardiola likely to replace him at City. [Mirror + Radio COPE]

He also plays attacking football, the players will love that more than Jose/Simeone's type of football.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:32, stroey said:

Pellegrini is another back up option:

City Watch ‏@City_Watch 3 u

Chelsea have contacted Pellegrini about taking over there next summer, with Guardiola likely to replace him at City. [Mirror + Radio COPE]

He also plays attacking football, the players will love that more than Jose/Simeone's type of football.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:26, Styles said:

Would you want to see more changes to the starting 11? I would.

Baba has a lot to prove now and hopefully he gets an extended run.

Matic has been struggling for a long time, and the same goes for both Oscar and Costa.

Courtois, Azpi (at RB), Zouma, Willian and Hazard are great pieces to build around.

Absolutely agree, and relegate some of those nine to squad players/competition which this squad seriously lacks. That line up was basically a nucleas of players that could work under Simeone.

Jury is still out on Matic and Costa for me, I remember Drogba struggling all through 2008 then recovered under Hiddink, here's hoping these two can benefit from the Dutchman aswell.

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Pellegrini?

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:32, stroey said:

Pellegrini is another back up option:

City Watch ‏@City_Watch 3 u

Chelsea have contacted Pellegrini about taking over there next summer, with Guardiola likely to replace him at City. [Mirror + Radio COPE]

He also plays attacking football, the players will love that more than Jose/Simeone's type of football.

Pellegrini and his type of manager is the last type we should look at.

Tactically inflexible football purists are what's ruining the game.

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  On 20/12/2015 at 18:37, Tomo said:

Pellegrini and his type of manager is the last type we should look at.

Tactically inflexible football purists are what's ruining the game.

Think he's a bit underrated, at Real he finished above 90+ points with Madrid.

With City he could've won 2 premier leagues by the end of the season, it's them or Arsenal as I don't expect Leicester to keep it up.

Tomorrow will be a great game: Arsenal - City.

He also loves attacking football, all his teams he managed were great in attack. Silva, Aguero, KDB, Sterling etc are all shining under him and all players can express themselves attacking wise, quite the opposite of Mou. Think the likes of Baba, Oscar, Hazard, Willian and Cesc will love to play for him.

This season he even will have a chance in the CL, the second round is against CSKA, with some luck they can go far.