The Next Manager?

[YorkshireBlue 3,126]

12 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

So, now people really think that Potter would magically win the last 3 games and go on ungodly streak after months of suffering and losing if only he wasn't sacked? 😶

Performance-wise we are just shit as we would be under him and play the same players we would be playing. The unquestionable upside of the situation is that Boehly will hopefully let go of an idea of hiring Lampard full time as another Potter-esque attempt to prove some dumb point, instead of appointing real manager.

Do you think it's a good idea to bring in your main target this season with the massive squad and morale down to nothing? Is it worth potentially fucking it up for the sake of a few worthless games? 

[Blue Armour 4,323]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Do you think it's a good idea to bring in your main target this season with the massive squad and morale down to nothing? Is it worth potentially fucking it up for the sake of a few worthless games? 

Well the games are worthless now, but before that first leg against Madrid, there were at least a couple of games worth fighting for.

9 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

If Enrique came instead on lampard it would of been a disaster, and that's no way to start of a coaching job, nothing to fight for, players have given up this would be no quick fix, so 2 options either bring in your main target and watch it crumble before it even gets started, or do damage limitation stick a caretaker in and get this season over with and start a fresh with a pre season a clear head and a new coach, this move was actually very smart, we weren't winning anything this season and we won't get relegated so why start with a new manager now? And it's blatantly obvious why GP was sacked it was far to toxic, frank deserve atleast some credit for having the bollocks to take this impossible task on, because for all we know, no one eles might.

When you say toxic, do you mean the stadium atmosphere? I agree with that, but I don't think it affected the team.

Because I don't think the players were really up in arms about Potter remaining till the end of the season.

We can speculate whether Enrique would have really been worse, but we are at 3 losses out of 3, and we're not just losing. We're being battered.

I will never blame Lampard for coming back., but I will take issue with the people who decided to appoint him as a scapegoat.

Anyway it's done. As long as this appointment doesn't pull us into a relegation battle, it doesn't matter anymore.

[Vegetable 830]

7 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Do you think it's a good idea to bring in your main target this season with the massive squad and morale down to nothing? Is it worth potentially fucking it up for the sake of a few worthless games? 

I don't know if I could say with 100% confidence when player's morale was actually high after TT hitting the slump, but I doubt it was actually very good under GP, despite of what he was saying. Parting with him could only mean improvement, but I guess appointing Frank afterwards didn't really had an effect the board thought it will have. And tbh, I was saying it for a long time - I doubt there was anything more destructive, than constant lowering of expectations and bringing in the excuse culture by the board itself. They were first to actually agree upon the fact of season being lost and giving up is ok, long before it was actually lost. Potter was just playing to their narrative (and fitting it quite well btw).

[YorkshireBlue 3,126]

27 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I don't know if I could say with 100% confidence when player's morale was actually high after TT hitting the slump, but I doubt it was actually very good under GP, despite of what he was saying. Parting with him could only mean improvement, but I guess appointing Frank afterwards didn't really had an effect the board thought it will have. And tbh, I was saying it for a long time - I doubt there was anything more destructive, than constant lowering of expectations and bringing in the excuse culture by the board itself. They were first to actually agree upon the fact of season being lost and giving up is ok, long before it was actually lost. Potter was just playing to their narrative (and fitting it quite well btw).

That wasn't the question lol, GP isn't involved in the question, I'll ask again, do you think bringing in the top target this season after GP was sacked would have been worth potentially fucking it up for worthless games? 

 

28 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Well the games are worthless now, but before that first leg against Madrid, there were at least a couple of games worth fighting for.

There wasn't, we all knew Madrid was the end of the CL and a.manager like Enrique couldn't have an effect on that game, his style of play isn't an overnight thing, it's weeks of hard practice.

Edited April 15, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[didi007 69]

1 hour ago, Gundalf said:

Just look at Bayern atm. Tuchel is considered a world class manager, people here were defending him a lot. And since he is in charge of Bayern, their results and also performances got even worse a lot. 

Football games are won in the head, not on the tactic board. 

yet Tuchel came in and won us the Champions League in 6 months. Each situation is different but a world class manager is always world class and Tuchel will come good at Bayern eventually

[Gundalf 804]

15 minutes ago, didi007 said:

yet Tuchel came in and won us the Champions League in 6 months. Each situation is different but a world class manager is always world class and Tuchel will come good at Bayern eventually

Yes the difference back then was that the players seemed to be very hungry for success and to play well. You cant say that at the moment. I somehow feel that after the CL triumph some players got very complacent and the new ones got infected by that. It started under Tuchel (remember how he slaughered them in preseason) and got worse over time. These guys need a mental reset and the best reset can be done after the season is officially finished. 

[Cosmin 2,484]

1 minute ago, Gundalf said:

Yes the difference back then was that the players seemed to be very hungry for success and to play well. You cant say that at the moment. I somehow feel that after the CL triumph some players got very complacent and the new ones got infected by that. It started under Tuchel (remember how he slaughered them in preseason) and got worse over time. These guys need a mental reset and the best reset can be done after the season is officially finished. 

Some of them just need to fuck off. Pulisic, Ziyech and many others.

[Gundalf 804]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

There wasn't, we all knew Madrid was the end of the CL and a.manager like Enrique couldn't have an effect on that game, his style of play isn't an overnight thing, it's weeks of hard practice.

Exactly, with this busy schedule a new manager wouldnt even have the time to teach them his tactics, his style, with games every 3 days its all about managing training load, u dont do anything new. That would damage Enriques reputation immediately, since, as some of here tell us, world class coaches are supposed to have an "immediate impact". 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Gundalf

[Vesper 29,076]

Luis Enrique ‘disappointed’ by Chelsea decision after Todd Boehly talks

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/15/Chelsea-news-luis-enrique-disappointed-todd-boehly-decision-18618018/

Luis Enrique was left ‘disappointed’ by Chelsea’s decision to appoint Frank Lampard as caretaker manager as he wanted to take over immediately and have a shot at Real Madrid.

Chelsea resisted the temptation to appoint a new permanent manager after sacking Graham Potter at the start of the month, opting to bring back Lampard to Stamford Bridge as interim boss until the end of the season.

Managerial target Julian Nagelsmann – recently sacked by Bayern Munich – was reportedly keen to wait until the summer to make a decision on his next job, but Enrique wanted to take over at Chelsea immediately, according to AS.

It is claimed Chelsea’s decision to hire Lampard on a temporary basis ‘disappointed’ Enrique, who wanted the chance to take on Real Madrid in the Champions League.

Under Lampard, Chelsea suffered a 2-0 defeat to Champions League holders Madrid at the Bernabeu and now face an uphill battle to qualify for the semi-finals.

Enrique had two spells at Spain after spending three years at Barcelona, in which he won two La Liga titles and the Champions League.

Despite Enrique’s frustration that he was unable to join Chelsea as soon as last week, the former Barca boss remains one of the frontrunners to be Potter’s long-term replacement.

Enrique, 52, had a video call with Stamford Bridge bosses last week before travelling to London for in-person talks with the Chelsea hierarchy, including Todd Boehly.

Nagelsmann could yet beat Enrique to the Chelsea job but Blues captain Cesar Azpilicueta has hinted he wants his former Spain boss to take over.

Speaking to Spanish outlet EFE, the defender was keen not avoid direct questions about the managerial situation at Chelsea, saying: ‘There are parts [of the club] who negotiate, that we trust with doing what is best for the club. We will see what happens.’

But asked if he liked the idea of Enrique or indeed any Spanish manager being appointed, the 33-year-old did say: ‘My best games with the national team were with him as coach.’

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

[Gundalf 804]

6 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

Nagelsmann is quite the opposite of a yes man. According to BILD, one of the reasons he got fired was the lack of communication with the board. 

[didi007 69]

25 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

Another big mistake! These guys never learn! These players need a tough talking hard coach who will command respect from day one. In the mould of Pep, Mourihno and Enrique and Conte. Multi-trophy winning coaches who have seen and done it with galacticos! 

[didi007 69]

yes and he fought with the players to

[gdlk 272]

Enrique is everything but not a tought coach lel.. In prime Barcelona everything was led by Messi so i dunno who is yes man! 

[Clockwork 1,794]

16 minutes ago, gdlk said:

Enrique is everything but not a tought coach lel.. In prime Barcelona everything was led by Messi so i dunno who is yes man! 

You know nothing.

[gdlk 272]

I dont pretend to know everything but from football i do understand it better than you.. 

[Vegetable 830]

2 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

That wasn't the question lol, GP isn't involved in the question, I'll ask again, do you think bringing in the top target this season after GP was sacked would have been worth potentially fucking it up for worthless games? 

Misunderstood lol 😂

Honestly, don't know. Until recently I believed the top manager could hit the ground running and along proper tacfic and boost of enthusiasm we could actually rebound and create a good foundation for next season. But now, looking how badly pretty much everyone had given up and what a mess the club is I started to doubt it honestly…

[Blue Armour 4,323]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

That is pretty much the reason they likely held off on Enrique, for.

They want to wait until Naggelsman comes in and he's very likely taking a break until the summer. Hence the wait.

Fucking hell. If Naggelsman is the next appointment and he also ends up being a dud, that'll be it for this club.