The Next Manager?

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, ulsterchelsea said:

Not sure how anyone can find fault in Frank being willing to give an insight to what he's witnessed during his time here. I dare say there's a lot frank could tell poch with regards to mentality or effort of some of this lot. I'd personally like the new manager to go in with as much Intel as possible 

I dont think it takes a genius to figure out some of the main problems with the club looking from the outside? Do you? There are some pretty glaringly obvious ones on and off the pitch. But yeah sure Frank’s such a good guy for pointing out the obvious.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see the mentality or effort of this mob. They don’t care enough. The standards aren’t there from top to bottom. Clearly defined by the fact the interim manager isn’t good enough and the guy before him wasn’t good enough. Plus then theres the clusterfuck of idiots running the show above. That much is clear. Do I need to be in the building to see that? 

The new manager could of got as much intel as possible had the club just appointed him instead of fucking about with this PR stunt that is Lampard’s return.

I mean was there ever a Benitez would be a good guy if he gave Jose an insight to this current group of players conversation when he came back for his second spell? Or Hiddink would be if he gave Conte bla bla bla? Just another meaningless sympathy point for Frank from the British media. “He is helping Chelsea out” oh what a saint, is he really doing us such a favour as opposed to the other way around? He would probably be sitting at home waiting for a championship club to make a move for him if we didn’t reappoint him. Maybe he should focus on winning some games first and foremost to boost the groups confidence as opposed to diluting his focus to talk to Poch (who’s not even officially in the door yet) about things that he is more than qualified to work out for himself. 

Again, I would rather Poch made his own deductions in the same way Erik ten Haag did at Man United. He went in, didn’t speak to Ragnick, wasn’t bothered he was there and done his own thing - which clearly put no doubts in his mind about what he wanted to do. 

Edited April 25, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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53 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

didn’t speak to Ragnick

that fucker told Nagelsmann to stay a million light years away from Chels and the EPL, unless it was Citeh if/when Pep leaves (which, unless Citeh get the smashing for cheating I cannot see happening until Håland leaves at least, as Pep seems driven to not just win the CL, but to do a Barca if they win it this year and just bulldoze it multiple times thereafter)

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26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that fucker told Nagelsmann to stay a million light years away from Chels and the EPL, unless it was Citeh if/when Pep leaves (which, unless Citeh get the smashing for cheating I cannot see happening until Håland leaves at least, as Pep seems driven to not just win the CL, but to do a Barca if they win it this year and just bulldoze it multiple times thereafter)

He has taken a shot at trying to convince Nkunku and his father to not honor their pre-contract. Loathsome man.

[Vegetable 830]

Whoever they will come up with, I hope they won't toss a ten year contract on him because "they like the energy and share a common vision for the project". 

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1 hour ago, Vegetable said:

Whoever they will come up with, I hope they won't toss a ten year contract on him because "they like the energy and share a common vision for the project". 

Unless like to throw money away which does seem likely from what we've seen 

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I dont think it takes a genius to figure out some of the main problems with the club looking from the outside? Do you? There are some pretty glaringly obvious ones on and off the pitch. But yeah sure Frank’s such a good guy for pointing out the obvious.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see the mentality or effort of this mob. They don’t care enough. The standards aren’t there from top to bottom. Clearly defined by the fact the interim manager isn’t good enough and the guy before him wasn’t good enough. Plus then theres the clusterfuck of idiots running the show above. That much is clear. Do I need to be in the building to see that? 

The new manager could of got as much intel as possible had the club just appointed him instead of fucking about with this PR stunt that is Lampard’s return.

I mean was there ever a Benitez would be a good guy if he gave Jose an insight to this current group of players conversation when he came back for his second spell? Or Hiddink would be if he gave Conte bla bla bla? Just another meaningless sympathy point for Frank from the British media. “He is helping Chelsea out” oh what a saint, is he really doing us such a favour as opposed to the other way around? He would probably be sitting at home waiting for a championship club to make a move for him if we didn’t reappoint him. Maybe he should focus on winning some games first and foremost to boost the groups confidence as opposed to diluting his focus to talk to Poch (who’s not even officially in the door yet) about things that he is more than qualified to work out for himself. 

Again, I would rather Poch made his own deductions in the same way Erik ten Haag did at Man United. He went in, didn’t speak to Ragnick, wasn’t bothered he was there and done his own thing - which clearly put no doubts in his mind about what he wanted to do. 

You can guess all you want about who's nit giving their all but that doesn't mean you'd be right. So you have the currant manager prepared to give you their insight, which you can take on board or not. Fail to see how that's a negative? 

Edited April 25, 2023 by ulsterchelsea

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

that fucker told Nagelsmann to stay a million light years away from Chels and the EPL, unless it was Citeh if/when Pep leaves (which, unless Citeh get the smashing for cheating I cannot see happening until Håland leaves at least, as Pep seems driven to not just win the CL, but to do a Barca if they win it this year and just bulldoze it multiple times thereafter)

Tbf I don’t blame him. I am genuinely worried that regardless of our manager if Boehly & Eghbali are hugely involved like they have been in footballing terms this last year, that its not going to be as attractive an option as it was before. Either way, there will be people who will say to other’s don’t go there. Re City - at least their infrastructure is there, theres a strategy/plan in place and doesn’t involve their owners going into the dressing room every week or making idiotic decisions - so no wonder he recommended Nagelsmann wait for City if any PL team.
 

36 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said:

You can guess all you want about who's nit giving their all but that doesn't mean you'd be right. So you have the currant manager prepared to give you their insight, which you can take on board or not. Fail to see how that's a negative? 

Don’t see why someone as qualified or highly regarded as Poch (or any elite manager) would be coming into this club if he and his staff didn’t already have their own insights or ideas on whats going wrong, which players he likes, who to keep, who to not keep etc though? I mean why else would the club hire him? He’s not come here on a whim, we’ve basically narrowed down a list of however many managers to get to here, so its not like Frank’s insights going to completely change his way of thinking or fill any huge blanks.

He should just let Poch make his own deductions and get on with winning the remaining matches. Realistically come the end of the season not one person is going to care what Frank thinks about what is going wrong, who we should keep or shouldn’t keep etc because he wont be here. And he’s part of the problem too so sooner the seasons over with, the better. Not good enough.

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10 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I don’t blame him. I am genuinely worried that regardless of our manager if Boehly & Eghbali are hugely involved like they have been in footballing terms this last year, that its not going to be as attractive an option as it was before. Either way, there will be people who will say to other’s don’t go there. Re City - at least their infrastructure is there, theres a strategy/plan in place and doesn’t involve their owners going into the dressing room every week or making idiotic decisions - so no wonder he recommended Nagelsmann wait for City if any PL team.
 

Don’t see why someone as qualified or highly regarded as Poch (or any elite manager) would be coming into this club if he and his staff didn’t already have their own insights or ideas on whats going wrong, which players he likes, who to keep, who to not keep etc though? I mean why else would the club hire him? He’s not come here on a whim, we’ve basically narrowed down a list of however many managers to get to here, so its not like Frank’s insights going to completely change his way of thinking or fill any huge blanks.

He should just let Poch make his own deductions and get on with winning the remaining matches. Realistically come the end of the season not one person is going to care what Frank thinks about what is going wrong, who we should keep or shouldn’t keep etc because he wont be here. And he’s part of the problem too so sooner the seasons over with, the better. Not good enough.

Aye good enough

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[Seymop 90]

To me “Poch” is the best we are going to get. Why would people queue up to come to us — people at the top who don’t know the game, a bloated squad, out of Europe, crap record of hiring and firing !! At least Poch has a decent record , a reputation that our big time Charlie’s will respect and good at interaction with media etc. I just hope we get it done quickly 

 

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

The PR campaign has been successful, get it done and announce he will start at season’s end.

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Mauricio Pochettino is reportedly prepared to offer Romelu Lukaku the chance to revive his Chelsea career if the Argentinian takes over at Stamford Bridge.

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9 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

While I think from Nags point of view it makes sense to turn us down as the job would come too early for him, he would be mad to join spuds instead. Honestly I d rather explain some yank amateurs how football works than be enchained by stingy Levy 

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Levy would agree to it, appease him in the first window, and then revert back to being Levy.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

21 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

While I think from Nags point of view it makes sense to turn us down as the job would come too early for him, he would be mad to join spuds instead. Honestly I d rather explain some yank amateurs how football works than be enchained by stingy Levy 

Hardly too early 🤣 Your post really just screams the typical if he goes to Spurs he isn’t good enough for us mentality - which is ironic d considering the fact we are basicslly hiring an ex Spurs manager specifically for what he did at Spurs.

On Nagelsmann - I mean its fair to say he was maybe harshly sacked from one of the best and biggest jobs in world football - which he deserved to be in. We did consider him so its not like the club felt he wasn’t ready for the job in some degree - they just weren’t willing to give him the control he wanted by the sounds of it (Enrique also). 

It’s also clear he wont get full control at Spurs so maybe it won’t happen (hopefully). I mean they wouldn’t give ‘box office’ managers like Mourinho and Conte more control for whatever reasons (some may be right some may be wrong) with Levy there so can’t see it changing. 

It does seem a bit ridiculous we basically hired some major cogs of the RB model to implement it, only to basically either be rejected by or reject their most successful clubs golden boy manager though.

Edited April 26, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Cosmin 2,484]

33 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

I guess we know why he's refused to join us. On the other hand, I don't think a 35 y.o. manager that is still to prove that he's top class has the right to ask for such things, especially since there're so many new football people in our structure now.

You have to be Guardiola-level to afford asking for full control at a club like Chelsea.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Cosmin

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

6 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

I guess we know why he's refused to join us. On the other hand, I don't think a 35 y.o. manager that is still to prove that he's top class has the right to ask for such things, especially since there're so many new football people in our structure now.

You have to be Guardiola-level to afford asking for full control at a club like Chelsea.

Tbf it depends on the owners. And their model.

If the new model was proven to work and was successful, you could at least justify it but it doesn’t and if it doesn’t again - then it has to be questioned why aren’t we given them more of a say/more control?

Just look at Klopp’s transfers at Liverpool. Ok we can’t get our main target this window, don’t buy anyone else and we will go again next time. Thats proof of a manager getting total control and it being successful.

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