The Next Manager?

[the wes 7,212]

3 hours ago, milka said:

 

Juan Familio-Castillo wants to stay at Chelseathis summer as a result of Frank Lampard's imminent appointment as manager

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7183561/Juan-Castillo-makes-contract-U-turn-Chelsea-Frank-Lampard.html

[the wes 7,212]

Chelsea appointment ‘not a done deal’, says Derby County owner Mel Morris

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/frank-lampard-chelsea-manager-appointment-derby-county-owner-mel-morris-not-a-done-deal-a8975701.html

 

[Vesper 28,779]

Just now, the wes said:

Juan Familio-Castillo wants to stay at Chelseathis summer as a result of Frank Lampard's imminent appointment as manager

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7183561/Juan-Castillo-makes-contract-U-turn-Chelsea-Frank-Lampard.html

great news, he is a baller

hopefully is our LB of the future

Lampard has zero qualms about playing young fullbacks

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

I am going to take off my blue tinted glasses and say what some people are afraid to say because they fear the back lash. Frank Lampard is not good enough to be the manager of Chelsea at the moment, he is only getting the role due to nepotism and his name, if you are going to be getting a Chelsea man why not appoint Steve Holland who was with the club for more than 10 years and is very experienced. This is a publicity stunt from the board again to get season ticket holders to buy tickets in what will potentially be a terrible season due to the board's mishandling of the club. (The transfer ban is clearly the board's fault, after the Kakuta incident how the fuck did we get ourselves back into the same mess? These are questions I dont hear the main stream media question) The club and every dog in the street knew the transfer ban was coming, Hazard was leaving and our squad was not good enough and they didnt invest during the January transfer window, another massive fuck up no one is asking. Frank Lampard is being led to the slaughter house under the impression of playing the youth, the simple fact is our youth 70% of them are not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea that is supposed to be in the Champ League semi final every season. I love  Frank Lampard's but he has no credentials to be taking over at Chelsea, had the club looked into appointing Gus Poyet or Javi Garcia there would have been an uproar. He might eventually be good enough for Chelsea but he simply isn't right now and he is being appointed as a token. His Derby was outplayed in the Championship by Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds for example, so why not appoint Bielsa? I bet you Rafa will take over either before the season ends or start of next season. You can not teach an old dog new tricks, if we lose 12-15 games there is no way Roman keeps his patience. He fired Di Mateo after 3 months having led us to our best ever night. We are pretty much reliving 2013 again again expect this time we are transfer banned. (Remember the positivity created by Mourinho's return?) In addition, the reason Sarri left is because he wasnt really backed by the board as well as the impending transfer ban. he knew he had overachieved and the only way was down after last season, I doubt he would have left if we had given him full backing and if we were not transfer banned. The man chose to destroy his Napoli legacy just to get out of Chelsea for crying out loud.  I know its a hard pill to swallow, but if you take off your blue tinted glasses for a minute you will realize whats going on. 

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Thats all good but what if he succeeds? What will you say then?

My word some people can't even support Frank Lampard. Of course he is here because of his status, he has given so much to this club, hell he played a few days after his mother died. It is now time for the club to give little bit back and present him with a decent opportunity to prove himself as a manager.

 

[Fernando 6,454]

35 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

I am going to take off my blue tinted glasses and say what some people are afraid to say because they fear the back lash. Frank Lampard is not good enough to be the manager of Chelsea at the moment, he is only getting the role due to nepotism and his name, if you are going to be getting a Chelsea man why not appoint Steve Holland who was with the club for more than 10 years and is very experienced. This is a publicity stunt from the board again to get season ticket holders to buy tickets in what will potentially be a terrible season due to the board's mishandling of the club. (The transfer ban is clearly the board's fault, after the Kakuta incident how the fuck did we get ourselves back into the same mess? These are questions I dont hear the main stream media question) The club and every dog in the street knew the transfer ban was coming, Hazard was leaving and our squad was not good enough and they didnt invest during the January transfer window, another massive fuck up no one is asking. Frank Lampard is being led to the slaughter house under the impression of playing the youth, the simple fact is our youth 70% of them are not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea that is supposed to be in the Champ League semi final every season. I love  Frank Lampard's but he has no credentials to be taking over at Chelsea, had the club looked into appointing Gus Poyet or Javi Garcia there would have been an uproar. He might eventually be good enough for Chelsea but he simply isn't right now and he is being appointed as a token. His Derby was outplayed in the Championship by Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds for example, so why not appoint Bielsa? I bet you Rafa will take over either before the season ends or start of next season. You can not teach an old dog new tricks, if we lose 12-15 games there is no way Roman keeps his patience. He fired Di Mateo after 3 months having led us to our best ever night. We are pretty much reliving 2013 again again expect this time we are transfer banned. (Remember the positivity created by Mourinho's return?) In addition, the reason Sarri left is because he wasnt really backed by the board as well as the impending transfer ban. he knew he had overachieved and the only way was down after last season, I doubt he would have left if we had given him full backing and if we were not transfer banned. The man chose to destroy his Napoli legacy just to get out of Chelsea for crying out loud.  I know its a hard pill to swallow, but if you take off your blue tinted glasses for a minute you will realize whats going on. 

True point. About Bielsa, that guy is a master. Lampard is just starting. 

One thing I like about Lampard is his mental ability to learn quickly. I'm sure he would have learned a lot from those encounter with Bielsa. 

That being said the fact that many youth are wanting to stay is a positive. Because for AGES and I mean ages I been wanting a manger that will do youth. 

Even if we crash and burn I will be happy with that. I remember wanting a manager that will do just that since after RDM. But instead we went for big names in Mourinho, Conte and Sarri. And by that we got stuck with dead wood and lost time on youth. 

 

[BigMabz 61]

1 hour ago, Vybz Kartel said:

I am going to take off my blue tinted glasses and say what some people are afraid to say because they fear the back lash. Frank Lampard is not good enough to be the manager of Chelsea at the moment, he is only getting the role due to nepotism and his name, if you are going to be getting a Chelsea man why not appoint Steve Holland who was with the club for more than 10 years and is very experienced. This is a publicity stunt from the board again to get season ticket holders to buy tickets in what will potentially be a terrible season due to the board's mishandling of the club. (The transfer ban is clearly the board's fault, after the Kakuta incident how the fuck did we get ourselves back into the same mess? These are questions I dont hear the main stream media question) The club and every dog in the street knew the transfer ban was coming, Hazard was leaving and our squad was not good enough and they didnt invest during the January transfer window, another massive fuck up no one is asking. Frank Lampard is being led to the slaughter house under the impression of playing the youth, the simple fact is our youth 70% of them are not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea that is supposed to be in the Champ League semi final every season. I love  Frank Lampard's but he has no credentials to be taking over at Chelsea, had the club looked into appointing Gus Poyet or Javi Garcia there would have been an uproar. He might eventually be good enough for Chelsea but he simply isn't right now and he is being appointed as a token. His Derby was outplayed in the Championship by Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds for example, so why not appoint Bielsa? I bet you Rafa will take over either before the season ends or start of next season. You can not teach an old dog new tricks, if we lose 12-15 games there is no way Roman keeps his patience. He fired Di Mateo after 3 months having led us to our best ever night. We are pretty much reliving 2013 again again expect this time we are transfer banned. (Remember the positivity created by Mourinho's return?) In addition, the reason Sarri left is because he wasnt really backed by the board as well as the impending transfer ban. he knew he had overachieved and the only way was down after last season, I doubt he would have left if we had given him full backing and if we were not transfer banned. The man chose to destroy his Napoli legacy just to get out of Chelsea for crying out loud.  I know its a hard pill to swallow, but if you take off your blue tinted glasses for a minute you will realize whats going on. 

Whats wrong with that mate? This is as good a time as any to throw a publicity stunt. Transfer ban, academy as good as its ever been, results have been okay. Why not spend a year or two raising money and excitement around Chelsea with a publicity stunt? 

I think this is a better option than sitting on our arses for a year waiting for a transfer ban. Great to build excitement around a season which would otherwise be dull. Steve Holland is great but he wouldnt create the same type of buzz that Lamps will.

What you probably should do is take off your pessimism glasses and hold on to your hat and get ready for a wacky season.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

39 minutes ago, Bosnian Blue said:

Thats all good but what if he succeeds? What will you say then?

My word some people can't even support Frank Lampard. Of course he is here because of his status, he has given so much to this club, hell he played a few days after his mother died. It is now time for the club to give little bit back and present him with a decent opportunity to prove himself as a manager.

 

It's not like we won't support him as manager. We're realists. Good vibes and memories don't translate to a good coach. It's not like we are going to be unhappy  if he wins. But if shit hits the fan because we relied on youth in a premier league with a reinvigorated City, Liverpool and Spurs, we can't his our heads in the sand. 

[Blue Armour 4,278]

 'There is no-one better than Frank... it's the right time for him to come home': John Terry backs Lampard to succeed at Chelsea... and says he's the man to bring through a new era of academy stars

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7183813/John-Terry-backs-close-friend-Lampard-prosper-Chelsea-manager.html

 

[Nicco 927]

1 hour ago, Bosnian Blue said:

Thats all good but what if he succeeds? What will you say then?

My word some people can't even support Frank Lampard. Of course he is here because of his status, he has given so much to this club, hell he played a few days after his mother died. It is now time for the club to give little bit back and present him with a decent opportunity to prove himself as a manager.

 

What a load of tosh, were supposed to be a top team not some charity experience for managers and players. Bar CHO, RLC and James rest aren't even Chelsea level yet somehow complain about lack of chances, if you are good enough you play but it's a fact no manager thinks any of them are up to it as Mourinho, Conte, Sarri showed bar the few exception here and there.

[Jase 43,479]

15 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said:

I am going to take off my blue tinted glasses and say what some people are afraid to say because they fear the back lash. Frank Lampard is not good enough to be the manager of Chelsea at the moment, he is only getting the role due to nepotism and his name, if you are going to be getting a Chelsea man why not appoint Steve Holland who was with the club for more than 10 years and is very experienced. This is a publicity stunt from the board again to get season ticket holders to buy tickets in what will potentially be a terrible season due to the board's mishandling of the club. (The transfer ban is clearly the board's fault, after the Kakuta incident how the fuck did we get ourselves back into the same mess? These are questions I dont hear the main stream media question) The club and every dog in the street knew the transfer ban was coming, Hazard was leaving and our squad was not good enough and they didnt invest during the January transfer window, another massive fuck up no one is asking. Frank Lampard is being led to the slaughter house under the impression of playing the youth, the simple fact is our youth 70% of them are not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea that is supposed to be in the Champ League semi final every season. I love  Frank Lampard's but he has no credentials to be taking over at Chelsea, had the club looked into appointing Gus Poyet or Javi Garcia there would have been an uproar. He might eventually be good enough for Chelsea but he simply isn't right now and he is being appointed as a token. His Derby was outplayed in the Championship by Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds for example, so why not appoint Bielsa? I bet you Rafa will take over either before the season ends or start of next season. You can not teach an old dog new tricks, if we lose 12-15 games there is no way Roman keeps his patience. He fired Di Mateo after 3 months having led us to our best ever night. We are pretty much reliving 2013 again again expect this time we are transfer banned. (Remember the positivity created by Mourinho's return?) In addition, the reason Sarri left is because he wasnt really backed by the board as well as the impending transfer ban. he knew he had overachieved and the only way was down after last season, I doubt he would have left if we had given him full backing and if we were not transfer banned. The man chose to destroy his Napoli legacy just to get out of Chelsea for crying out loud.  I know its a hard pill to swallow, but if you take off your blue tinted glasses for a minute you will realize whats going on. 

Can you folks just spare us this doom and gloom posts already? There have been so many in recent weeks! The season hasn't even started - hell, pre-season hasn't even started - and people are already predicting all kinds of disaster for the coming season!

Maybe you have been away for some time and have not been reading the thread but lots of people have raised the reasons - valid reasons TBF - on why we shouldn't hire Lampard now and I think we all know he is a risky appointment, riskier than most. He might not do well or hey, he might actually do well...who knows for certain at this point! But at the same time, if you are not at the very least interested or intrigue by this new (or unusual) direction the club are seemingly taking, about next season, then maybe you should find something else to do. If we had appointed someone like Javi Gracia, Max Allegri or Laurent Blanc, it would feel like we're just going back to the same old, pragmatic route that's gotten us nowhere in the long term! For the first time in ages, the club look like they might have set out a plan, a clear direction they want to go in - hire someone with football knowledge for a position at board level (Cech), get a manager who is going to integrate the youth players (with the transfer ban, this seems like something the board are heavily insisting on, going by the various stories out there), get a manager - a young manager, an unknown quantity - who is going to continue the playing style Sarri was brought in to implement. Said it in a recent post, it's time the club press the reset button - the transfer ban might actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise - rather than stick a band aid and just go through the motion like we've done for years! If we have to take a step back to take two-three steps forward, then so be it. Never mind the trophies, if Lampard can help rebuild the squad, integrate the younger players into the team, build a platform from which we can improve on in years to come, then I think he can be considered a success.

15 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said:

the simple fact is our youth 70% of them are not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea that is supposed to be in the Champ League semi final every season.

Do you even actually watch our youth players play consistently or are you just generalizing it without any points to back it up?

Yes, in an ideal world, we should be competing for every major trophy every season - the Champions League, the Premier League - but in case you haven't noticed, we haven't been GREAT for years now and are nowhere good enough to challenge for major honors on a consistent basis. The recent years' plan of buying random players, hiring different kind of managers with different ideas has got to stop somewhere. It's time we actually have a plan and go from there, which we certainly seem to be doing this time. As I said above, if we need to take a step back to take two-three steps forward, then so be it (Liverpool, Spurs did that years ago and look where/how they are now). The sooner people readjust the expectation levels, lower them a little, on the club in the next 2-3 years, the better. 

15 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said:

His Derby was outplayed in the Championship by Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds for example, so why not appoint Bielsa?

Are you really suggesting we should hire a manager just because he outplayed another manager? EVERY manager can get outplayed by another manager! If we're going by that logic, we should have hired Wenger to replace Conte since he got the better of Conte on so many occasions!

And speaking of Bielsa, I'm not sure why people are obsessed with him. Has anyone actually noticed that he has rarely been linked with the major clubs? He has been getting jobs in the 2nd/3rd tier clubs for years now. He's a difficult character to handle and his teams have tended to "crash" in the second half of the season - happened with Athletic Bilbao, Marseille, Leeds. Furthermore, if people said our squad isn't suited to playing Sarri's football, imagine the same lot trying to play Bielsa's football and the club can't even sign anyone this summer! The results will be even worse than with Sarri last season!

15 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said:

You can not teach an old dog new tricks, if we lose 12-15 games there is no way Roman keeps his patience. He fired Di Mateo after 3 months having led us to our best ever night. We are pretty much reliving 2013 again again expect this time we are transfer banned.

Sarri lost 11 games last season, had us suffer some of the worst and embarrassing results ever (remember the 0-6 at City? or the 0-4 at Bournemouth?) but Roman never pulled the trigger, did he?

Sure, he fired Di Matteo few months after winning the FA Cup and Champions League but what people seem to constantly forget is that Roman was never convinced about him to begin with, he didn't want to give him the permanent manager role but there weren't other alternatives, fans were clamoring for Di Matteo to be given the job. In the end, Roman did so and given Di Matteo's subsequent jobs' failures, perhaps Roman had a point to doubt to begin with...

This idea that Roman happily sacks managers is blown out of proportion. Out of all the managers, only Ancelotti arguably didn't deserve to be sacked but the rest, there were certainly good reasons to do so and in recent years, Roman has given the managers time/chance to turn things around, before ultimately left with no choice. Mourinho only got the sack in December, even though it was clear for months he needed to go. Conte was only sacked because he practically 'gave up' after December in 2017/18. With Sarri, the Roman didn't even pull the trigger despite some embarrassing results and in the end, he decided to leave on his own accord when the club would have been okay with him keeping him. So really, who's to say that Roman will just happily sack Lampard if we lose a couple of games?

[Superblue 6,370]

4 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said:

I am going to take off my blue tinted glasses and say what some people are afraid to say because they fear the back lash. Frank Lampard is not good enough to be the manager of Chelsea at the moment, he is only getting the role due to nepotism and his name, if you are going to be getting a Chelsea man why not appoint Steve Holland who was with the club for more than 10 years and is very experienced. This is a publicity stunt from the board again to get season ticket holders to buy tickets in what will potentially be a terrible season due to the board's mishandling of the club. (The transfer ban is clearly the board's fault, after the Kakuta incident how the fuck did we get ourselves back into the same mess? These are questions I dont hear the main stream media question) The club and every dog in the street knew the transfer ban was coming, Hazard was leaving and our squad was not good enough and they didnt invest during the January transfer window, another massive fuck up no one is asking. Frank Lampard is being led to the slaughter house under the impression of playing the youth, the simple fact is our youth 70% of them are not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea that is supposed to be in the Champ League semi final every season. I love  Frank Lampard's but he has no credentials to be taking over at Chelsea, had the club looked into appointing Gus Poyet or Javi Garcia there would have been an uproar. He might eventually be good enough for Chelsea but he simply isn't right now and he is being appointed as a token. His Derby was outplayed in the Championship by Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds for example, so why not appoint Bielsa? I bet you Rafa will take over either before the season ends or start of next season. You can not teach an old dog new tricks, if we lose 12-15 games there is no way Roman keeps his patience. He fired Di Mateo after 3 months having led us to our best ever night. We are pretty much reliving 2013 again again expect this time we are transfer banned. (Remember the positivity created by Mourinho's return?) In addition, the reason Sarri left is because he wasnt really backed by the board as well as the impending transfer ban. he knew he had overachieved and the only way was down after last season, I doubt he would have left if we had given him full backing and if we were not transfer banned. The man chose to destroy his Napoli legacy just to get out of Chelsea for crying out loud.  I know its a hard pill to swallow, but if you take off your blue tinted glasses for a minute you will realize whats going on. 

I don't think anybody is ignoring the risks involved in this, particularly his inexperience. 

I can't talk for others who want Lampard here but for me I feel he is the best choice for what the club needs at present.

We no longer have the financial advantage we used to have over other teams which could mask over and write off transfer mistakes. Although we can still compete towards the top end of the market, many more teams can too and with the wicked inflation in transfer fees over the last couple of seasons the margin for error is much slimmer. 

The advantage we have over other teams is the quality of our academy. It's the best in the country and amongst the very best across the world, the proof is in the success at all youth levels. The last 12-18 months has started to show that there are opportunities out there, away from the big Premier League teams and we have to be careful that we don't start losing these talents. CHO wanted out last season, Castillo planned to leave this summer, Bulka has joined PSG. Talent is being lost because of a disconnect between first team and academy and the lack of a pathway.

We have to start tapping into this properly because not only should it be making us much more money with players not quite good enough for Chelsea, but should be saving us millions in transfer fees to rebuild our squad. It's easy to write players off as not being good enough but Loftus-Cheek is an example of not writing players off too quickly. Many Chelsea fans didn't think he was good enough and his level was more of a mid table side like Palace. At the end of the season before his injury he had established himself as one of our most important players. Some young players just need a platform and a manager that believes in them.

Not all players are going to work out, but some could prove to be a pleasantly surprising success. At the moment we have gaps in our first team, let alone our squad but what if somebody like Reece James or Castillo come through next season in the full back spots? What if CHO comes back from injury and takes over from Hazard? What if Abraham proves to be a striker who can score 15-20 goals in the league? I'm not expecting all of those things to happen but even if just one did, the club is set to save millions not having to spend big money in that position the following summer. It helps to refresh the squad with a young talent and on top of that the club continues to break the idea that there is no pathway to the first team at Chelsea.

Even if some of these players prove not to be quite first choice quality but can establish themselves as good enough within the squad that too could be a huge bonus as it will mean the club no longer needs to spend big money on squad players (Zappacosta) and/or filling homegrown requirements (Drinkwater). This leaves a bigger budget to focus purely on top first choice quality and allows non-homegrown players to be of a higher quality too instead of simply squad filler.

It's important not to ignore the role Jody Morris can play in this too. A team of somebody who knows these players better than anyone and has spent considerable time coaching them coupled with a manager prepared to give them chances should help with all of the above. We could have identified a safer, more experienced appointment but how prepared would they have been to look at the long term of the club and blood younger players or would they have simply placed their faith in the safe options already within the squad, leaving us in a position next summer to what we are now. I'm far more confident that Lampard will be prepared to build things in a slower, steadier way which creates an opportunity for younger players to come through. 

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

3 hours ago, Nicco said:

What a load of tosh, were supposed to be a top team not some charity experience for managers and players. Bar CHO, RLC and James rest aren't even Chelsea level yet somehow complain about lack of chances, if you are good enough you play but it's a fact no manager thinks any of them are up to it as Mourinho, Conte, Sarri showed bar the few exception here and there.

I am pretty sure you've never kicked a football in your life based on this post. That is enough for me not to go any further in to discussion.

Thought it will be very interesting if Frank does a good job, to read some of these footballing experts' opinions and analysis.

[Vesper 28,779]

2 hours ago, Bosnian Blue said:

I am pretty sure you've never kicked a football in your life based on this post. That is enough for me not to go any further in to discussion.

Thought it will be very interesting if Frank does a good job, to read some of these footballing experts' opinions and analysis.

I am very happy we are signing Lamps for our manager. I will have loads of patience.

The fucked up state of the club has been years in the making.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,494]

Carefree wherever we may be...

 

[Nicco 927]

6 hours ago, Bosnian Blue said:

I am pretty sure you've never kicked a football in your life based on this post. That is enough for me not to go any further in to discussion.

Thought it will be very interesting if Frank does a good job, to read some of these footballing experts' opinions and analysis.

I'm pretty certain I can advertise to your football knowledge considering your bashing of Sarri and how everything was luck for him according to you. Talking about our coach that he couldn't handle the pace and physicality whereas his best wing back assets consisted of Alonso and Azpi, albeit his best strikers were Giroud and Higuain. 

I shouldn't be surprised since some of you still think we can challenge for the title with Azpi and Alonso and it was only because of Sarri's tactical ineptitude that didn't happen, I sure hope you will be buzzing over Lampard's appointment by the end of next season otherwise I can already see the backpedaling becoming a some sort of routine here.

[coolhead23 1,146]

Good one, guys ... some really good perspective in the past posters specially from Vybz Kartel, Superblue_1986, Jason... worth reading & understanding different views ... 

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't think anybody is ignoring the risks involved in this, particularly his inexperience. 

I can't talk for others who want Lampard here but for me I feel he is the best choice for what the club needs at present.

 

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am very happy we are signing Lamps for our manager. I will have loads of patience.

The fucked up state of the club has been years in the making.

It's easy to sit here and say 'Lampard isn't ready for the job', 'We should hire a more experienced manager' etc but in reality, which manager out there would want to take this job right now? Which manager is exactly the right one for us? As everyone has repeatedly pointed out, we're in a difficult situation - our best player has just left, we can't sign players in the next two transfer windows. The job, in our current situation, is difficult for anyone who takes over. Hiring a manager solely because he has more experience than Lampard doesn't quite cut it and quite frankly, some of the other names we've been linked with are underwhelming (e.g. Gracia, Blanc). Lampard might not have the experience like some of the others at this point but he does appear to tick some of the other boxes and more importantly, as long as he has a clear idea of what he wants to do, not afraid to change when things aren't working, learn from mistakes, adapt to different situations etc, then I think he would do just fine. IF the worst scenario happens, then he'll just let be go at the end of the season and the next fella will have the transfer window to spend and improve the squad.