Graham Potter Thread

[Fernando 6,585]

4 hours ago, TheHulk said:

Dyche needed less than a week to imprint his style on a worse team while going up against the leaders, while Potter with superstar team got 1 point out of 6 against Fullham. 

Klopp team losing 3 to 0 to wolves yet klopp is world class.... 

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

Mourinho lol 

Now with Juve out and after he got Dybala, Belotti, Matic, Wijnaldum and others if he doesn't get top4 that would be huge failure. 

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

47 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

 

Struggling to think of any coach that we've had in the past 3 decades who is comparable to Potter.

Last night reminded me of Lampard last couple of months tenure. Same formation and huge empty space between lines. Also both just sitting on the bench doing nothing. 

[Blue Armour 4,444]

49 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Last night reminded me of Lampard last couple of months tenure. Same formation and huge empty space between lines. Also both just sitting on the bench doing nothing. 

Yeah both of them are too passive on the touchline. 

At least Lampard sounded more interesting when he spoke. And he did get into a fight with Klopps team. That's not the hallmark of a great manager, but at least it shows some character. 

I also don't know if there's any language barriers coming into play.

Is Potters squad entirely English? Does he himself speak multiple languages?

EDIT: Looks like he has Bruno Saltor who is Spanish and Bjorn Hamburg from Sweden so there is diversity there. 

And plus, he's already coached teams like Brighton which were plenty diverse so no issues there.

It's probably just the difference in player egos.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Blue Armour

[lucio 5,418]

10 hours ago, Vesper said:

possible targets

(not in any complete order, and just so no one asks where he is, ZZ will likely never manage in England)

 

Julian Nagelsmann (likely no chance atm)

Mauricio Pochettino

Hansi Flick

Joachim Löw

Luis Enrique 

Lionel Scaloni (likely no chance atm)

Zlatko Dalic 

Oliver Glasner (Frankfurt)

Christian Streich (Freiburg)

Urs Fischer (Union Berlin)

Diego Simeone (not a good fit though) 

Abel Ferreira 

Franck Haise (Lens)

Régis Le Bris (Lorient)

Philippe Clement (Monaco)

Stefano Pioli

Gian Piero Gasperini 

Kasper Hjulmand

Thomas Frank

Roger Schmidt (eek)

Sérgio Conceição (Porto)

Rúben Amorim (Sporting Lisbon)

Marcelo Gallardo (last job, River Plate)

Hugo Ibarra (Boca Juniors)

Julien Stéphan

Gerardo Seoane

 

and one to watch down the road

Karel Geraerts (Royale Union Saint-Gilloise)

Thats a good list. Shame unai emery is emoloyed, I always rated him at valencia and Sevilla

[Vesper 30,195]

Champions League registration rules explained: Why Chelsea could not register all of their new signings

https://theathletic.com/4150251/2023/02/03/champions-league-registration-rules-Chelsea-signings/

Chelsea head coach Graham Potter admitted he was preparing to have some awkward conversations with the players who would not win a place in his Champions League squad and his decision has now been made public.

The club made eight new signings in January — albeit Malo Gusto has returned to Lyon on loan — but only three have been able to be added to the Champions League squad for the knockout phase.

That meant Potter had to choose between Enzo Fernandez, Mykhailo Mudryk, Benoit Badiashile, Noni Madueke, Joao Felix, David Datro Fofana and Andrey Santos. Santos is still waiting for his work permit.

Ultimately, he chose to include Fernandez, Mudryk and Felix.

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Mudryk, Fernandez, Felix added to Chelsea Champions League squad, Aubameyang omitted

Potter was also forced to cut an existing member of the squad — Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang made way.

Confused? We examine Chelsea’s conundrum in more detail below.

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How were Chelsea allowed to spend so much in the January transfer window?

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How many players can be registered?

Submitted Champions League squad lists are split into two lists: list A and list B.

List A is the one that has to be filed to UEFA following the closure of the transfer window. List B can be submitted anywhere up until 11pm GMT (6pm EST, 3pm PT) the day before each matchday.

List A is the important one. It consists of a maximum of 25 players with at least two of them being goalkeepers. Eight of the 25 spots are reserved for locally-trained players.

If a club do not have eight locally-trained players, they can still submit a valid list. However, the 25-man list will reduce accordingly to the lack of locally-trained players.

For example, if a club can only named seven locally-trained players, they would only be able to name 24 players in list A. Only six locally-trained players would mean a 23-man list, and so on.

Of those eight players, at least four must be club-trained and have spent three years or more at the club between the age of 15 and 21. Trevoh Chalobah, Conor Gallagher, Reece James, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Mason Mount are all examples at Chelsea.

The other four locally-trained spots can be taken up by players who spent three years between the age of 15 and 21 at another club in the same country. Ben Chilwell (trained at Leicester) and Raheem Sterling (trained at Liverpool) are among those that qualify for that criteria in Graham Potter’s squad.

List B can contain an unlimited list of players. Although, there are stipulations.

Players on List B must have been born on or after January 1, 2001 and been at the club for either two uninterrupted years since their 15th birthday or for three years including one loan of no more than a year.

There must also be an additional goalkeeper on List B.

Armando Broja (born September 10, 2001) and Lewis Hall (born September 8, 2004) are included on that list for Chelsea but Carney Chukwuemeka is not because he he has not been at the club long enough.

Why were Chelsea not allowed to register all of their new signings?

Champions League clubs have to submit two squad lists throughout the season.

The first was submitted on September 2, 2o22 for the group stage.

This is how Chelsea’s squad list looked at that point.

Goalkeepers: Kepa Arrizabalaga, Marcus Bettinelli, Edouard Mendy.
Defenders: Cesar Azpilicueta, Trevoh Chalobah, Ben Chilwell, Marc Cucurella, Wesley Fofana, Kalidou Koulibaly, Reece James, Thiago Silva.
Midfielders: Carney Chukwuemeka, Conor Gallagher, Jorginho, N’Golo Kante, Mateo Kovacic, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Mason Mount, Christian Pulisic, Denis Zakaria, Hakim Ziyech.
Forwards: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Kai Havertz, Raheem Sterling.

Once they have qualified for the knockout stage, clubs must submit a second squad list, on February 2, 2023.

In that second list, a maximum of three new signings can be included. Fortunately for Chelsea, those players are allowed to have played for another team during the group stage.

Unfortunately for Chelsea, they have seven more players at Cobham than they had at the beginning of January.

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That gave Potter a very tough decision to make. He not only had to leave out four of his new signings, but another place needed to be opened up.

Jorginho’s departure to Arsenal freed up a spot for the Chelsea manager but one more existing player was left disappointed.

Which Chelsea players missed out?

 

Noni Madueke was one of the players who did make the cut (Photo: Joupin Ghamsari/Chelsea FC via Getty Images)

Chelsea’s January transfer business looked like this.

In: Benoit Badiashile, David Datro Fofana, Andrey Santos, Joao Felix (loan), Mykhailo Mudryk, Noni Madueke, Malo Gusto (loaned back to Lyon), Enzo Fernandez.

Out: Bashir Humphreys (loan), Cesare Casadei (loan), Jude Soonsup-Bell, Jorginho.

Four of the players listed in the ‘in’ section are not able to play for Chelsea in the Champions League.

After being confirmed, this is how the updated squad list looks.

Goalkeepers: Kepa Arrizabalaga, Marcus Bettinelli, Edouard Mendy.
Defenders: Cesar Azpilicueta, Trevoh Chalobah, Ben Chilwell, Marc Cucurella, Wesley Fofana, Kalidou Koulibaly, Reece James, Thiago Silva.
Midfielders: Carney Chukwuemeka, Enzo Fernandez, Conor Gallagher, N’Golo Kante, Mateo Kovacic, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Mason Mount, Christian Pulisic, Denis Zakaria, Hakim Ziyech.
Forwards: Kai Havertz, Joao Felix, Mykhailo Mudryk, Raheem Sterling.

That decision regarding the squad list means Badiashile, David Fofana, Santos, and Madueke have been left out, as well as Aubameyang who was included in September’s list.

Speaking ahead of the announcement, Potter knew that he would have to have a few awkward conversations.

“We have a bit of time before we make the decision, we are aware of who we need to speak to,” he said.

“There are going to be a few awkward conversations, that’s the reality of where we are because only 11 can play, only a certain amount of players can be in the squad, there are always going to be ones who are disappointed and it’s about being honest and open, respectful, transparent as you can.

“And again create an environment where you respect the fact people want to play, players want to compete and help the team. But also that they’re patient and make sure they’re ready to play.”

Chelsea face Borussia Dortmund in the last 16. The first leg, played in Germany, is on Wednesday, February 15 before the second leg at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday, March 7.

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What do other Premier League clubs think of Chelsea and their transfer spending?

[lucio 5,418]

Sack him today so we can compete in the CL and top 4 race. Get poch or Enrique and we are balling 

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

13 hours ago, Pizy said:

I think he will 100% get the remainder of the season. If we show dramatic improvement once all the new boys settle in then obviously he’ll stay. If we labor through the rest of the season with more matches like last night then I think in the summer the ownership can legitimately say they gave him a whole season to improve and we didn’t and then get rid.

The tricky thing is that there isn’t some obvious candidate who is out of work that you’d be super sure about. 

You know who would be a very interesting option, though? Bielsa. For me personally I really want a manger who has a super defined, clearly obvious philosophy. And I do think that we now have the sort of player Bielsa can implement his style with.

I hope we go nowhere near Bielsa.   Even Everton backed out of a possible Bielsa deal because apparently he requested specific players for his system and the Everton board disagreed.  

I wouldn't mind Flick if he is interested in club coaching again, has shown that he can deal with egos in a dressing room (Bayern Munich & Germany to an extent).  The other name that may be a bit left field is Glasner at Frankfurt, he's been in that RB model a few years back and I'm sure Vivell will keep a close eye on his progress. 

[DDA 9,941]

1 hour ago, lucio said:

Sack him today so we can compete in the CL and top 4 race. Get poch or Enrique and we are balling 

Poch???

No thanks !

Enrique maybe but still not fully convinced by him either.

[Pizy 18,928]

What’s needed is someone who instantly commands huge respect from the players. Someone who has got winning pedigree or has at least established something impressive at a big club which also has high expectations.

If Potter goes at some point I don’t want us to take a punt on some young up and comer from a small club somewhere. We tried it with Lamps and it failed, we’re now trying it with Potter and the experiment is failing to produce any notable improvement yet.

Not sure I’m totally sold on Luis Enrique. Think Poch would be solid but not a sure fire choice. Someone like Flick is interesting and getting some of that attacking Bayern DNA could be hugely beneficial.

And then you know these reports about Mou offering himself back to the club sounds just like Jose. He probably thinks he can work wonders with this squad we have. But I think he’s the last guy all these young talents need right now. 

[lucio 5,418]

17 minutes ago, Pizy said:

What’s needed is someone who instantly commands huge respect from the players. Someone who has got winning pedigree or has at least established something impressive at a big club which also has high expectations.

If Potter goes at some point I don’t want us to take a punt on some young up and comer from a small club somewhere. We tried it with Lamps and it failed, we’re now trying it with Potter and the experiment is failing to produce any notable improvement yet.

Not sure I’m totally sold on Luis Enrique. Think Poch would be solid but not a sure fire choice. Someone like Flick is interesting and getting some of that attacking Bayern DNA could be hugely beneficial.

And then you know these reports about Mou offering himself back to the club sounds just like Jose. He probably thinks he can work wonders with this squad we have. But I think he’s the last guy all these young talents need right now. 

Mourinho needs to reinvent himself if he wants to stay relevant. He'd need to become a promoter of youth 

[DDA 9,941]

Honestly..  this talk of Jose coming back is farcical. He is done at the highest level.

[Pizy 18,928]

37 minutes ago, DDA said:

Honestly..  this talk of Jose coming back is farcical. He is done at the highest level.

He’s a man with a silver tongue, though. If he gets in a room with Boehly and the rest of the higher ups I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s able to sell them on becoming our manager and winning us titles.

[Hashishi 148]

1 hour ago, lucio said:

Mourinho needs to reinvent himself if he wants to stay relevant. He'd need to become a promoter of youth 

Look what hes done with Tammy. He can do it, but he only puts in the time for his favourites.

[Vegetable 830]

I also think Mou is another twitter plaything. Anyway, as much as I have a highest regard for the madman, I am afraid he isn't reinventing himself if he hadn't done so yet. He is a prime example of a motivator coach, however the football went ahead of him and he hadn't catch up. Mentality is important, but to succeed in top football you also have to have some great tactical sense that Jose seems to have neglected, hence this is only downward road for him since Madrid.

He may be Roma coach for hobby & pleasure, I doubt he'd even want to fuss with top team again, especially he is probably aware it wouldn't end well for him.

[DDA 9,941]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

He’s a man with a silver tongue, though. If he gets in a room with Boehly and the rest of the higher ups I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s able to sell them on becoming our manager and winning us titles.

And If that were to happen, it would prove our owners really don't have a clue and this vision is a load of bollockss.

[DDA 9,941]

Just look at this video... fuck me... sums it all up.

Havertz, Mount, Gallagher should be ashamed of themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by DDA

[Vesper 30,195]

[Vegetable 830]

21 minutes ago, DDA said:

Just look at this video... fuck me... sums it all up.

 

I'm not sure. I know the only argument left for Potter's fans is blaming players, but it's not like we had clinical finishing, creative midfield and tight defense under Sarri, Lampard or Tuchel - what the video shows is nothing new for Chelsea. And even if I was to dive into this rhetorics - if players are not delivering, bench them or develop them, that's manager's job for god's sake, we have 16 new players.

 

Edit:

Actually, reading the comments under vid, another argument left is "but Arsenal" - yeah, somehow manager, who was the assistant of elite coach and not some rando bottom-table dude, came clean for half of season after years suffering, when it wasn't actually the manager to blame entirely, is the top-logic, 100% proof that GP is man for the job. People are either dumb or getting desperate in trying not to see the true state of affairs.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Vegetable

[Vesper 30,195]

1 hour ago, Vegetable said:

I'm not sure. I know the only argument left for Potter's fans is blaming players, but it's not like we had clinical finishing, creative midfield and tight defense under Sarri, Lampard or Tuchel - what the video shows is nothing new for Chelsea. And even if I was to dive into this rhetorics - if players are not delivering, bench them or develop them, that's manager's job for god's sake, we have 16 new players.

 

Edit:

Actually, reading the comments under vid, another argument left is "but Arsenal" - yeah, somehow manager, who was the assistant of elite coach and not some rando bottom-table dude, came clean for half of season after years suffering, when it wasn't actually the manager to blame entirely, is the top-logic, 100% proof that GP is man for the job. People are either dumb or getting desperate in trying not to see the true state of affairs.

agree

Potter Out

he is clueless at this giant level

I would love him to come here to Stockholm and manage AIK

Edited February 5, 2023 by Vesper