Chelsea Transfers

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Question is what does that mean for our system? Switching to a 4-2-3-1 with Kante and Rice in a double pivot with Mount/Kai as a no. 10?
Rice being back up for Kante?



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26 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Question is what does that mean for our system? Switching to a 4-2-3-1 with Kante and Rice in a double pivot with Mount/Kai as a no. 10?
Rice being back up for Kante?



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Both. Can see him being a back up for Kante and only in the most extreme circumstances would there be a tactical switch to a 4231. Maybe defending an aggregate score or against superior midfields. 

433 is without a doubt the way to go. 

 

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Wednesday December 2 2020 Matt Law's Chelsea briefing

Success of expensive left-back will help convince club to support Lampard in future transfer windows By Matt Law, Football News Correspondent Ben Chilwell could be key to Frank Lampard’s hopes of landing his long-term midfield target Declan Rice. Rice remains at the top of Lampard’s Chelsea wish-list, although a January move looks unlikely given West Ham United’s strong start to the season. Chelsea did not end up making a bid for Rice in the summer transfer window after West Ham put an £80 million price tag on the England midfielder’s head. That price is unlikely to drop and there remains significant caution within Chelsea over spending such a large fee on a player the club let go as a 14-year-old. There was similar reticence from some quarters over paying £50million for a left-back in Ben Chilwell but Lampard rejected all the potential alternatives. Lampard believed that Chilwell would offer Chelsea value for money by giving them a long-term solution to a problem that had re-emerged almost every season and that looks to be a wise move. Given that he personally pushed so hard for the signing of Chilwell for such a high price, the success or failure of the 23-year-old was always going to be an important factor for Lampard moving forwards. So it is particularly significant that Chilwell has started his Chelsea career so encouragingly and appears to have finally solved the club’s problem over trying to properly replace Ashley Cole. Should Chilwell continue his excellent form, then Lampard will be in a much stronger position to urge the Chelsea board to spend big on Rice. Lampard was prepared to sign Thomas Partey as a cheaper alternative to Rice, but he eventually joined Arsenal. And it now seems likely that Lampard, as he did with Chilwell, will push against any suggestions to go for a cheaper option to Rice and try to convince Chelsea that he too can make a big impact at Stamford Bridge. N’Golo Kante has rediscovered his best form, but the France international will celebrate his 30th birthday next year and there must be some concern that his incredible stamina cannot last forever. Jorginho is also in his late 20s and it still seems likely the Italy international will at some stage return to Serie A, particularly if former Chelsea manager Maurizio Sarri returns to work. Chelsea do not have a natural defensive midfielder coming through their ranks who would be ready to step straight into the first team, meaning Lampard will push hard again for Rice and hope Chilwell’s good form convinces the board to trust his judgement once again. Get in touch at @Matt_Law_DT or via [email protected].

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Apparently we're monitoring Ben White!

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11741/12148236/ben-white-manchester-united-tottenham-and-chelsea-monitoring-brighton-defenders-progres

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14 hours ago, Vesper said:

Raging on this Brexit induced BULLSHIT

fuck EVERY SINGLE LEAVE VOTING CUNT

this shit puts paid to us ever developing our own great young non-homegrown players

want a great young foreign player?

well get ready to spend perhaps as much as 20 times (or even more) what we might have paid for them when they were youth

go back and look at our academy's non homegrowns for the past 15 year plus

now ERASE THEM (future versions of them)

I could be wrong but i think Kante (when he went to Leicester) and Zouma would have been un attainable had this system been around last decade.

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Both. Can see him being a back up for Kante and only in the most extreme circumstances would there be a tactical switch to a 4231. Maybe defending an aggregate score or against superior midfields. 
433 is without a doubt the way to go. 
 

But paying 60 million for a back up is not that sustainable. I would rather use Ampadu as a back up instead of playing 60 million for Rice as a back up

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4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

But paying 60 million for a back up is not that sustainable. I would rather use Ampadu as a back up instead of playing 60 million for Rice as a back up

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How isn't it sustainable? Kante can't play every game and he is hitting 30. 

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when we get Rice I want to see this old Mou treble winning (at Inter, including the CL) formation dusted off and shoved up some unsuspecting teams' arses

4–2–1–3 Formation

The somewhat unconventional 4–2–1–3 formation was developed by José Mourinho during his time at Internazionale including in the 2010 UEFA Champions League Final. By using captain Javier Zanetti and Esteban Cambiasso in holding midfield positions, he was able to push more players to attack. Wesley Sneijder filled the attacking midfield role and the front three operated as three strikers, rather than having a striker and one player on each wing. Using this formation, Mourinho won The Treble with Inter in only his second season in charge of the club.

As the system becomes more developed and flexible, small groups can be identified to work together in more efficient ways by giving them more specific and different roles within the same lines, and numbers like 4–2–1–3, 4–1–2–3 and even 4–2–2–2 occur.

Many of the current systems have three different formations in each third, defending, middle, and attacking. The goal is to outnumber the other team in all parts of the field but to not completely wear out all the players on the team using it before the full ninety minutes are up. So the one single number is confusing as it may not actually look like a 4–2–1–3 when a team is defending or trying to gain possession. In a positive attack it may look exactly like a 4–2–1–3.

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How isn't it sustainable? Kante can't play every game and he is hitting 30. 

But Kante played every PL match so far and I think he got only got substituted once. I expect Kante to play 95% of the PL matches. Only if he hits injuries again, Rice might have a chance getting some minutes in a 4-3-3. Switching permanent to a 4-2-3-1 would obviously fix that issue. I am not a fan of that system, especially for us.

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No U18 signings, partner clubs and fast-thinking: English football post-Brexit

https://theathletic.com/2234253/2020/12/02/brexit-transfer-premier-league/

The United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union will end in just over four weeks’ time and that momentous split ensures change is coming across all walks of life from January 1, 2021. Football is no exception.

The recruitment strategies and transfer policies of Premier League and EFL clubs will be altered after Brexit too, with new obstacles placed in the way of signing new players from overseas.

No under-18s can be signed from overseas in January and a new framework has been drawn up that limits the foreign players able to join an English club. Even managers and coaches from outside of the UK will be asked to meet new criteria.

The Athletic assesses what has changed and explains what that means for English football…

How different is football going to look in a post-Brexit UK?

New regulations for player transfers were approved by the Football Association, Premier League, and EFL last month and have now been signed off by the government.

The UK’s departure from the European Union means players from the continent can no longer move freely into the country, with new entry requirements in place to cover next month’s January transfer window.

That prevents clubs from signing anyone under the age of 18 from overseas, while any new recruit from Europe must qualify for a “Governing Body Endorsement” (GBE). That is a points-based system, with a player’s eligibility assessed by a range of factors, including international experience, as well as the league and the team he has been signed from. More on that later.

The impact of these changes promises to be far-reaching and lasting.

“The system that’s been devised will have a big impact because clubs will have to factor in whether the player will be able to come to the UK,” said Andrew Osborne, a specialist sports lawyer and the head of Lewis Silkin’s immigration practice. “That adds an extra level of consideration.

“The problem for clubs is that this is more complicated than previous systems and they’ve only got four weeks to get used to them. They will have to assess their targets to see if they’ll qualify.

“Probably the biggest impact is going to be that clubs won’t be able to sign players under 18 anymore. The concessions that applied around the transfer of players aged 16 to 18 within the EU, we won’t get once we leave. That will move the focus of a club’s recruitment.”

Did clubs know this ruling was coming?

Oh yes. Just look at the recruitment strategies in the Premier League over the summer. This was last orders at the bar before things got a whole lot more complicated.

Take Chelsea, winners of the FA Youth Cup six times in the last nine years, as an example. They signed Aleksi Heino (16) from FC Turku in September, goalkeeper Sami Tlemcani (16) from Paris FC in October and midfielder Edwin Andersson (17) from IFK Gothenburg last month. They also snared 17-year-old Bryan Fiabema from Tromso in February and 16-year-old Jimi Tauriainen from Helsingin Jalkapalloklubi in the summer.

And they were not alone. Manchester United’s academy recruitment this summer had a heavy emphasis on overseas signings, with six players from abroad under the age of 18 joining the club. Sources say that while scouts had been tracking the targets for a considerable length of time, and a paucity of local first-year scholars meant there were spaces to fill, the incoming regulations around Brexit were a factor in the scale of influx.

Three Spaniards arrived at United, with full-backs Alvaro Fernandez and Marc Jurado coming from Real Madrid and Barcelona respectively, and Alejandro Garnacho, a winger, leaving Atletico Madrid.

Radek Vitek, a 17-year-old goalkeeper, joined from Czech Republic side Olomouc. Isak Hansen-Aaroen, a 16-year-old forward, signed from Tromso as part of United’s strategic agreement with the Norwegian club. Willy Kambwala, a 16-year-old centre-back and captain of France’s under-17s, arrived from Sochaux in a deal that could reach €4 million.

Fernandez, 17, has made a notable impact already, starting five Premier League 2 games for Neil Wood’s under-23 side.

United also signed two 18-year-olds in Facundo Pellistri and Amad Diallo, for a combined total potentially worth up to £47 million. Both players have been extensively tracked but United pressed the button on bids before any rule changes could count against them — much to the surprise of some of their rivals, who could not afford such a significant outlay at the time.

Aston Villa were another club to be busy this summer. They have signed a glut of 16-year-olds: Lamare Bogarde from Feyenoord, Vitesse Arnhem defender Sil Swinkels and Aaron O’Reilly, another defender, from St Patrick’s. Villa were said to be very aggressive in their pursuit of players in that age group, beating Arsenal and Tottenham to Bogarde.

    Bogarde playing for Feyenoord Under-17s in February (Photo: Erwin Spek/Soccrates/Getty Images)

Villa purposely watched a lot of players around the age of 16 and continued to scout heavily earlier this year, knowing the summer represented a last chance to sign players of that age before the Brexit rules came in.

What does it mean for future recruitment?

The inability to sign players under 18 will undeniably change the dynamics of youth recruitment.

It has become common practice for Premier League clubs to add under-18s to their academy ranks, nurturing the most promising youngsters at close-hand, but those days are now at an end.

Clubs, though, have already eyed up a way around these restrictions. A link-up with an overseas club would allow any highly-rated youngster to be parked there until turning 18, when he would then be free to move to England.

Manchester City’s owners have shares in Spanish club Girona, along with eight others around the globe as part of the City Football Group. The owners of Leicester City, too, have full control of Belgian side OH Leuven. Brighton owner Tony Bloom bought Belgian side USG in 2018, while Sheffield United have ties with Beerschot, current leaders of the Jupiler League. Those arrangements have allowed clubs to farm out youngsters to gain experience but there is no reason why that link cannot be used to ringfence any youngster eyed up on the continent.

Expect other Premier League clubs to forge ties with their European counterparts. Sources now expect Manchester United, for instance, to press ahead with a search for a European partner club. An agreement could allow players of interest under 18 to stay with such a sister side until of age to transfer.

Why will clubs not be able to buy under-18s any more?

This is a FIFA rule, set out in their regulations for the transfer of players between countries. Brexit ends the previous freedom of movement between the UK and EU and ensures the days of English clubs landing under-18 players from the continent are over.

Cesc Fabregas, who joined Arsenal as a 16-year-old in 2003, would have been denied that move from Barcelona, as would Hector Bellerin. Manchester City’s move Eric Garcia, another to leave Barcelona aged 16 in 2017, would also have been put on hold had the new rules been in place.

English and Scottish clubs have also traditionally raided Ireland for their best young footballers at the age of 16 but that practice is also at an end. In theory, at least, not until their 18th birthday can any Irish youngsters make their move to England from next year. That would have meant Caoimhin Kelleher, Liverpool’s Champions League hero on Tuesday night, would initially have been made to wait before he headed to Anfield as a teenager.

The new rules also stipulate that Premier League clubs will only be allowed to sign six under-21 players per season from 2021-22, with only three permitted in the upcoming January window. Clubs in the EFL will not face those limits.

Who are the winners and losers?

The FA, Premier League and EFL all declared themselves satisfied with the changes. “The Premier League has worked with the FA to come to an agreement to ensure no part of Brexit should damage the success of the Premier League, or the prospects of the England teams,” said Richard Masters, the Premier League’s chief executive.

There is a commitment from all parties to review the process ahead of the 2021 summer window but there has been some concession to reach this middle ground.

The FA were keen to increase the number of England-qualified or homegrown players in a Premier League club’s 25-man squad from eight to 12 only to meet with resistance from the top flight. There was no mention of that in the statement released but it is understood the FA has backed down on its desire to put a hard cap on the number of foreign players by holding the line on the quality of those signed. This has been considered to be a satisfactory compromise that does not overly inhibit Premier League clubs’ recruitment, while also ensuring the best English players do not have their pathway blocked at a young age.

How is the points-based system going to work?

For the large majority of signings from Europe, there will not be any obstacles. Any international player who regularly represents a nation ranked in the top 50 of the FIFA rankings will be given an automatic pass, while any new recruit from a Band 1 league (Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and Ligue 1) will also be very close to qualifying.

Ultimately, it needs 15 points for a player and the signing club to be granted a GBE. That can come from six different categories, including the players’ international status, the league they have been signed from, minutes played in continental competitions and the success of their last club. The more they have played at a higher level, the greater the points awarded.

Players facing the greatest difficulties could be those signed from Scandinavia. A new recruit from Denmark’s Superliga would be granted four points initially and then another four points if they have played more than 90 per cent of minutes for their club. As many as six points could be available if the title had been won with the selling club but further points would still be needed from international or continental experience.

Players aged 21 or under face slightly different criteria, with the onus again focused on the calibre and pedigree of the signing.

Should a new recruit only be able to tot up between 10 and 14 points in the January window, they would need to have their case heard by an “Exceptions Panel” made up of three independent figures. A GBE will be granted if it can be shown “exceptional circumstances prevented the player from achieving 15 points, and if those exceptional circumstances did not apply, the player would have achieved 15 points”. A youth player, aged 18-21, would need to show “significant potential and is of sufficient quality to justify” a GBE.

There are similarities to existing rules for the recruitment of non-EU players but with important differences.

“The new system is focused on playing criteria, with a range of options for clubs to show a player is playing at a high level,” added Osborne. “The traditional method was through international appearances. That’s more difficult when you’re dealing with a larger group of potential players.

“The other area where you can score points now is if you’re playing for a good club in a good league and you’re being successful. It’s based more around your playing history and the quality of games you’re involved in.”

Will this also change how clubs land managers?

It will indeed. Players are not the only ones to be impacted, with head coaches and their staff also required to meet certain criteria set out by the game’s governing bodies.

Any manager appointed from overseas will need a GBE, which will only be granted if the individual holds a UEFA professional licence and has managed in a “Top League” for either three years or two years consecutively.  That encompasses 33 different leagues, from Italy’s Serie A to the Slovenian PrvaLiga.

That will not be an obstacle for most managers but the new rules would have blocked Huddersfield’s appointment of David Wagner in 2015. The German had only ever coached Borussia Dortmund II before moving to England and steering Huddersfield to the Premier League. Daniel Farke, the current Norwich boss, would also have been denied his opportunity when appointed in 2017.

First-time managers from Europe and high-profile names will also find opportunities limited. Former Spain midfielder Xavi, currently coaching in Qatar with Al-Sadd, would not meet the criteria.

Clubs are able to appeal to an independent panel at a cost of £5,000. They would have to show their appointment would “contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England” and be a manager of the “highest calibre”.

Premier League and EFL clubs are able to provide the sponsorship required for an overseas coach to work in the UK but National League clubs will no longer be permitted to freely appoint a European coach.

There is a different criteria for assistant managers and other members of a backroom coaching team, such as a first-team coach or goalkeeping coach, who must be deemed suitable by frameworks outlined for a “performance manager”. Those rules are less stringent but would still need to be met.

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GCSE History Paper A June 2045

1. David Cameron - Grade A, class 1, certified twat. Discuss.

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Multiple post.

[Tomo 21,751]

6 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

GCSE History Paper A June 2045

1. David Cameron - Grade A, class 1, certified twat. Discuss.

The most criminal thing about the whole Brexit farce is the referendum passed through without the need for a big majority.

52% is simply not a big enough majority for such a life changing decision!

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21 hours ago, Tomo said:

The most criminal thing about the whole Brexit farce is the referendum passed through without the need for a big majority.

52% is simply not a big enough majority for such a life changing decision!

And it was started completely needlessly in the first place.

however Brexit could still turn out to be a smart move in the Long haul even if it is almost suicidal in the short term. With populism and dictatorship returning to EU countries, their stupid constitution may well cripple the EU as evident by what Poland and Hungary are now doing. 

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here are the players we would have been unable to sign under the new rules

AC (too young)

Zouma (probably not enough points, he might have went to the exception committee, not sure if that would have worked, Think we would have had a strong case even if he did not have enough points)

Charly Musonda (too young)

Kenedy (not enough points)

Ian Maatsen (too young)

Xavier Mbuyamba (not enough points)

Matt Miazga (not enough points)

Lucas Piazon (too young)

Mario Pasalic (not enough points)

Pierre Ekwah Elimby (too young)

Marc Guehi (perhaps would have never come to England, as his parents may have not been allowed in under the new immigration points system for regular folk (he was born in the Ivory Coast), and if so, then he was far too young to sign)

Marco van Ginkel (not enough points) (btw I just found out he is exactly 1 day older than I am, lolol)

Danilo Pantić (not enough points)

Karlo Žiger (too young)

Thierno Ballo (too young)

Bryan Fiabema (too young)

Lucas Bergström (too young)

Sami Tlemcani   (too young)

Aleksi Heino (too young)

Jimi Tauriainen  (too young)

Edwin Andersson (too young)

Ashley Akpan (too young)

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Of the top 100 under 18yo players (non Chels, two are ex Chels, the 2 at Bayern now) on the planet ranked by value

we could have signed FIVE under the new rules, all the other 95 are not eligible

let that sink in

you will never again (at least for the foreseeable future) see a great young foreign player on an EPL club who was trained and raised up by that club (other than the ones currently in the system as I assume they are grandfathered, if they are not grandfathered in, we are fucked even harder)

those born in 2002 will be the youngest ones eventually left, 2003 and on are SOL

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Twomey: "When Haaland does decide to leave every Elite club in Europe will be lining up to make their pitch and I’m sure Chelsea will think about it because they are up there trying to compete for the best trophies going."

 

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1 hour ago, Blues Forever said:

Twomey: "When Haaland does decide to leave every Elite club in Europe will be lining up to make their pitch and I’m sure Chelsea will think about it because they are up there trying to compete for the best trophies going."

 

Is this guy reliable? Think Haaland or Sancho really is the last missing puzzle in our attack, would be incredible to pull off either of them.

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14 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Is this guy reliable? Think Haaland or Sancho really is the last missing puzzle in our attack, would be incredible to pull off either of them.

I am not so sure we need Sancho at this moment in time as I am still hopeful Puli will sort his injuries out and CHO will step up, while I see Werner as a LWF/SS. For me, he will only be needed if Werner goes to CF and/or the other two don't step up. 

As for Håland he surely has to be someone we're targeting. At the moment, our CF's are Giroud and Tammy. Giroud for me is great as a squad player going forward and I would actually like him to sign for another year. As for Tammy I do think he has a long term future at the club but as a CF2 and not a CF1. Imo, CF is actually the position after CB and DMF I think we need to sort out most in the next 18 months.