ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, killer1257 said: Did he ever play as a CB? Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk I just assumed he had played the position before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 We shouldn't even be talking about Declan Rice never mind talking about signing him. killer1257 and DDA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Whenever I see Chilwell I think - not much better than Alonso at defending, worse than Alonso going forward but faster than Alonso. I really do not get why people want to replace Alonso with him. Sure he may prevent a goal or two less than Alonso but he won't get anywhere near Alonso's goals or assists. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,394 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Quote Whenever I see Chilwell I think - not much better than Alonso at defending, worse than Alonso going forward but faster than Alonso. I really do not get why people want to replace Alonso with him. Sure he may prevent a goal or two less than Alonso but he won't get anywhere near Alonso's goals or assists. 22 millions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, milka said: 22 millions Honestly, Tagliafico is not really any better than Chilwell and I see him struggling badly vs epl wingers as 90% of them are bigger, stronger and faster than him. Eredivisie is a physically way less demanding league, so tiny/slight guys like him and Ziyech come across a little better there but at the 2018 World Cup Tagliafico was easy prey for Rebic, Perisic, Mbappe (obviously), Griezmann and even the Nigerian wingers. Dont get me wrong, he is not half bad, quite nippy and kinda tough for a guy this tiny but a poor match for our side that lacks physicality anyway. Also with 27 he is not exactly in the right age bracket to provide long term for us nor has he age on his side when adapting. Fernando and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Honestly, Tagliafico is not really any better than Chilwell and I see him struggling badly vs epl wingers as 90% of them are bigger, stronger and faster than him. Eredivisie is a physically way less demanding league, so tiny/slight guys like him and Ziyech come across a little better there but at the 2018 World Cup Tagliafico was easy prey for Rebic, Perisic, Mbappe (obviously), Griezmann and even the Nigerian wingers. Dont get me wrong, he is not half bad, quite nippy and kinda tough for a guy this tiny but a poor match for our side that lacks physicality anyway. Also with 27 he is not exactly in the right age bracket to provide long term for us nor has he age on his side when adapting.Question is who would be the right guy for our LB position? Chilwell is a faster version of Alonso, Tagliafico has his weaknesses too and Telles comes from a poor league too.Maybe Theo Hernandez would be perfect, but he loves AC Milan very much and I do not see him leaving soonGesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Question is who would be the right guy for our LB position? Chilwell is a faster version of Alonso, Tagliafico has his weaknesses too and Telles comes from a poor league too. Maybe Theo Hernandez would be perfect, but he loves AC Milan very much and I do not see him leaving soon Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Telles is so good going forward he is somehow worth the risk if attainable for the right price. Other than that Hernandez is obviously the perfect player and I doubt he will stay at Milan forever. The only other viable option for me is Robin Gosens.He is quick, tough, extremely strong attacking output (better than Alonso) and also a great defender. I am against signing stop gaps for big fees on big contracts that dont get us anything in the long run. stop gap signings are only useful when you are under pressure to win stuff which we are not. We could go out and develop Maatsen if we wanted to if we are ok with more tiny players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,906 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I've done a little research on several hot LB prospects and it seems every one of them is very good going forward but not great defensively. That's just the modern fullback. Only very few are world class at both. You either get a fullback like Azpi or Wan Bissaka who are basically defense first and nearly useless going forward or you get an all out attacking fullback who you just hope doesn't fuck up very often to cost you. Look at Liverpool's or City's fullbacks. Robertson, TAA, Walker, and Mendy are all fantastic going forward. But if you have a quality winger who is direct and aggressive they all can be got at. If we sign Chilwell it's the same. There will be times against quality wingers where he's going to get burned. It's inevitable. I've watched numerous big CL games where Marcelo looks like a clown defensively. But he's so outrageously skillful going forward that it's overlooked and accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shrenshah 186 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Sell - 250mnJorginho - 45mn (sarri will make a move)Zouma - 25mnAlonso - 25mnBarkley - 25mnMoses - 10mnBaka - 30mnMorata - 48mnPasalic - 12mnBatshuayi - 30mnBuy - 280mnWerner + ziyech - 90mnHavertz - 70mn (most likely out of cl)Chilwell - 60mn (i dont fancy him but ok)Rice - 60mn (covers hole left by jorginho and zouma)Net spend of just 30mnAnd the salary we save on willian and pedro, we will likely break evenProbably can even get a 2nd goalie to push kepa like dean hendersen or onanaJust hoping newcastle sale is a success and we dump our unwanted players thereSent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 The thought of replacing Jorginho with Declan Rice crushes my soul in every way possible. Mufassir08, Strike, Alabama and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Tomo said: The thought of replacing Jorginho with Declan Rice crushes my soul in every way possible. Based on current season i guess kante kova and gilmour are ahead of jorginho in the pecking order...not many supporters incl me would want him to start ahead of the 3 mentioned players but he is the vc...the emergence of gilmour has already replaced jorgi so a sale with rice coming in will just help bring a hell lot of versatality just like lampard wants mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOIRO 64 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Rice will play CB in Chelsea Squad . If Jorginho leave , the successor is Gilmour . He is ready to play Starting XI . mkh and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 15 hours ago, Stats said: He is only 23 too. Mark my words, a few years he will be regarded as one of the best LB around. Sarr would tear many FB apart let's face it. Look what he did to Liverpool. Chilwell is not bad defensively. Not excellent but his strengths are going forward. Alphonso Davies is 19, has been playing LB for only 7, 8 months, and is already top 3, perhaps even the best (if not, soon will be), LB on the planet. Chilwell is not remotely in his league. Fernando, Tomo and Atomiswave 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Alphonso Davies is 19, has been playing LB for only 7, 8 months, and is already top 3, perhaps even the best (if not, soon will be), LB on the planet. Chilwell is not remotely in his league.But Alphonso Davies is a cunt!He should have gotten a red card in his last match because he kicked someones hamstring and the ball was somewhere else. You could see the anger in Davies face when he kicked him. VAR did nothing and referee, who was only 2 meters away and was in front of Davies, did nothing too.More ridiculous than the incident was his post match interview. He apologized for his yellow card and not for his kick, which was a straight red and the garbage interviewer did not even talk about his leg kick.Fuck Bayern and fuck Davies too.Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, killer1257 said: But Alphonso Davies is a cunt! He should have gotten a red card in his last match because he kicked someones hamstring and the ball was somewhere else. You could see the anger in Davies face when he kicked him. VAR did nothing and referee, who was only 2 meters away and was in front of Davies, did nothing too.More ridiculous than the incident was his post match interview. He apologized for his yellow card and not for his kick, which was a straight red and the garbage interviewer did not even talk about his leg kick. Fuck Bayern and fuck Davies too. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk That is not germane. Sorry but I love Davies as a player. Everyone has a few rash actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 That is not germane. Sorry but I love Davies as a player. Everyone has a few rash actions.People also love Ramos. I don't like Ramos because of such kind of incidents.I also do not think it will get better because I do not see him controlling his emotions better in the future. That was pure hate when he kicked him. Son also never stopped doing those red card kicksGesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, killer1257 said: People also love Ramos. I don't like Ramos because of such kind of incidents. I also do not think it will get better because I do not see him controlling his emotions better in the future. That was pure hate when he kicked him. Son also never stopped doing those red card kicks Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Davies is nowhere near Ramos level of bad actor. smdh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Davies is nowhere near Ramos level of bad actor. smdhHe is young. Those type of incidents will continue. I do not think he will reach Ramos nor Pepe level, but those type of actions are disgusting. So probably every season once or twice those type of incidents will happen. Alli and Son do that type of action also every season multiple times Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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