robsblubot 3,595 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LAM09 said: I gave an example above. People think footballers of African descent lack the mental capability or have difficulty grasping the tactical side of the game. What on earth is that?! I could write a whole list of issues with regards to how African players are viewed by their counterparts, but this is a "Chelsea transfers" thread, not discrimination 101. First, please do not put words in my mouth. I did not write the quotation you made, nor have an indicated that's what I believe. In fact, I sure don't and it never had crossed my mind until I saw your nasty quote. So, thank you for that... not! 😞 My opinion mostly come from actually watching African nations play football, btw. It's pretty obvious to me when I watched them play over the years. I vividly remember Nigeria playing Uruguay when Mikel (sic) was still playing for the Super Eagles. Nigeria was all over the place, while Uruguay was tidy. They were both pretty bad teams, but the one thing that was clear to me was the tactical discipline of Uruguay. This is hardly a one time thing and I've seen this over numerous World Cups and other competitions. The word Brazilian commentators use for African football is (tactically) "naive", so I'm hardly alone in that. I also mentioned Mexico: they are considered a "footballing" nation and have little to nothing to show for it. This is not about being nice or not, deserving or not, It's about competing and winning. Some have and they carry the knowledge of winning with them. They can then pass on to the young and develop better players; it's a cycle. Now if you want to read more into it other than it is a fucking game, that's on you. Edited June 15, 2023 by robsblubot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,314 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 37 minutes ago, Vegetable said: Misread it as Diego Costa and thought "oh, actually, I'm fine with that"… porto need to sell and they are in talks with united if united get onana, I really see us getting him for 50M euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,513 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mário César said: porto need to sell and they are in talks with united if united get onana, I really see us getting him for 50M euros @Mário César how good is he? feel like we need a quality #1 GK at the club, haven't really had one since Courtois left us for Real Madrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,513 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mhsc said: Feels like we are getting Caicedo, another situation where some things have been agreed and it’s just a matter of time unless PSG come out of nowhere again? Enzo and Caicedo is some kind of youth team wet dream but where is the experience and leadership? Back in time all of our CMs were international captains… Caicedo is the Kante replacement we've needed for the last season and a half... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,314 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Just now, Reddish-Blue said: @Mário César how good is he? feel like we need a quality #1 GK at the club, haven't really had one since Courtois left us for Real Madrid he's great better we can get at this moment but I have doubts that he is ready to a epl team that challlenge for titles all players that came from weakest leagues its always a risk but he is a good player. I think he could be the best we can get if you ask me if I prefer see Chelsea buy onana for 80M euros (crazy offer) or offer 50M€ for Diogo Costa I prefer the second choic its suits us better and its suits better in our overall budget Last year I see Todd pay crazy money for onana. we need to be smart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,068 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, robsblubot said: Mostly come from actually watching African nations play football, btw. It's pretty obvious to me when I watched them play over the years. I vividly remember Nigeria playing Uruguay when Mikel (sic) was still playing for the Super Eagles. Nigeria was all over the place, while Uruguay was tidy. They were both pretty bad teams, but the one thing that was clear to me was the tactical discipline of Uruguay. This is hardly a one time thing and I've seen this over numerous World Cups and other competitions. The word Brazilian commentators use for African football is (tactically) "naive", so I'm hardly alone in that. I also mentioned Mexico: they are considered a "footballing" nation and have little to nothing to show for it. This is not about being nice or not, deserving or not, It's about competing and winning. Some have and they carry the knowledge of winning with them. They can then pass on to the young and develop better players; it's a cycle. Now if you want to read more into it other than it is a fucking game, that's on you. Were Morocco tactically naive on their way to the WC semis 6 months ago? I made a brief mention of the problems that, in general, affect African football. Whether it was your intention or not, the way you phrased your post lumped all people from Africa together, which is incorrect on so many ways. The dearth of the best coaching available to players on the continent itself may cause them to play at World Cups with less tactical awareness than the majority of SA nations, which have players who mostly compete in Europe's top leagues. Once again, Africans as a whole don't inherently lack tactical awareness; those still playing on the continent or who moved to Europe relatively late in footballing terms (23+) might have those issues, but Africans that were either born in Europe (most of the Morocco squad in Qatar) or individuals like Ndidi, Salah, or Mane who came early on in their careers don't lack it. This misconception needs to be banished. Edit - Nice change to your post. I'm not going to go round in circles. Edited June 15, 2023 by LAM09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,984 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Seems like the United ownership stuff could be finalized soon and that they’ll soon be a state owned club. So hopefully we can get Caicedo and a couple of others done before the new owners start throwing wages we can’t touch at players. Fernando and Strike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robsblubot 3,595 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 16 minutes ago, LAM09 said: Were Morocco tactically naive on their way to the WC semis 6 months ago? I made a brief mention of the problems that, in general, affect African football. Whether it was your intention or not, the way you phrased your post lumped all people from Africa together, which is incorrect on so many ways. The dearth of the best coaching available to players on the continent itself may cause them to play at World Cups with less tactical awareness than the majority of SA nations, which have players who mostly compete in Europe's top leagues. Once again, Africans as a whole don't inherently lack tactical awareness; those still playing on the continent or who moved to Europe relatively late in footballing terms (23+) might have those issues, but Africans that were either born in Europe (most of the Morocco squad in Qatar) or individuals like Ndidi, Salah, or Mane who came early on in their careers don't lack it. This misconception needs to be banished. Edit - Nice change to your post. I'm not going to go round in circles. I merely asked you not to put words in my mouth, which you certainly did. It's fucking pretty annoying tbh. I've been watching World Cups for decades, and I will stick to my opinion. Morocco was indeed the most tactically disciplined African nation I've ever seen. Perhaps Cameroon came close before, with Milla, but that was more of a counter-attacking side. Those were the glaring exceptions, I'm afraid. Now, like I said, this is all acquired knowledge, so there is certainly evolution, just not as fast as was once predicted. The moment that's not the case anymore, then it's not the case, again IMO. 🤷♂️ Winning can definitely speed up that evolution tenfold... What do you think would happen if Mbappe's family had moved to the USA instead of France? do you really think he'd be what he is today? This is the example to emphasize the point. I'd go further and suggest Mbappe also wouldn't be what he is today had his family moved to Mexico, despite football being the main sport there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,822 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Reddish-Blue, bigbluewillie, Strike and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheHulk 2,505 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 How the fuck can Boehly still sell his project to players after this season xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,505 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Someone please tell me this guy is good because I don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tomo 21,751 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, TheHulk said: How the fuck can Boehly still sell his project to players after this season Because he is at best Eghbali's second in command and has been since last winter. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,258 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 5 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said: Am I the only person that doesn't understand supporting two teams? I don't get it. I live in Stockholm now, and my father's fam (Swedish) has always been AIK I was born and raised in London, west London, and grew up Chels AIK is a streets below Chels, basically zero overlap and the seasons are different many on here have local, non English smaller teams they follow it isn't rocket science Artandur, LAM09, Costa19 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,738 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, TheHulk said: How the fuck can Boehly still sell his project to players after this season You have to be the most negative person on here lol... You can't just spend, spend, spend - because I've seen you react poorly whether we overpay or don't buy. The quick to anger ones on here really don't want to give this team/organisation time to set a new path. Just because stop gaps and a method worked before, doesn't mean it was the most effective. Sometimes 10 steps back before you can launch and start to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,258 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 12 hours ago, Pizy said: DDG had a great season, didn’t he? he was shit far too much so so many howlers LAM09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,738 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, TheHulk said: I'd be happy with this. Reality is - players like Mount aren't a precious commodity in my opinion. He isn't a physical presence, nor overly technical, or rather pacey. Just a motor in the middle with some nice skills. I am in two minds on Havertz though. A lot of people underrate him - and fault him for things he is actually quite good at - like hold up play and seeing the field. He uses his body well and knows how to pick a pass/man. I really think he'd be a fantastic player in a well established team with a nice offensive scheme in place. Wouldn't want him to go to a direct rival because of this. lucio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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