Chelsea Transfers

[ZAPHOD2319 4,823]

Mount in the midfield is where he should be. His relentless motor serves him best there. I also love that his first move when receiving the ball is to move it forward. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,823]

 

[Vesper 30,301]

Top transfer values for non-big-5 U25 players

 

https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2022/wp396/en/

The 396th CIES Football Weekly Post presents the 100 players outside the big-5 who have not yet turned 25 with the highest estimated transfer value. Three players stand out with values of around €60 million: Benfica’s Argentine midfielder Enzo Fernández, PSV Eindhoven’s Dutch striker Cody Gakpo and Porto’s Portuguese goalkeeper Diogo Costa.

Only one other player outside the big-5 has an estimated value of more than €50 million: Portuguese centre back Gonçalo Inacio (Sporting CP). The highest transfer values for footballers playing outside of Europe were recorded for Brazilians: Yuri Alberto (Corinthians, €30m), Danilo Oliveira (Palmeiras, €29m) and Marcos Leonardo (Santos, €28m). Fifteen leagues are represented in the top 100, with a maximum of 21 players for the Dutch Eredivisie.

The values were estimated on the basis of a statistical model developed by the CIES Football Observatory research team from almost 5,000 paid transfers concluded over the last decade. A scientific article explaining the approach is available in open access. Estimates for more than 15,000 players from about 50 leagues worldwide are available through a paying platform. Do not hesitate to contact us about this.

Highest estimated transfer values (€ Million)

Non big-5 league U25 players - Date: 01/11/2022

[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

For a second I was wondering why Diego Costa was on that list 😂

 

[milka 3,398]

 

[Thor 2,745]

Fofana is injured, and KK will look better once we have some midfield cover. For as much as great defenders are great defenders, they also need a decent midfield. Not saying KK is what he was a while back, but he still can be decent. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

6 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Mount in the midfield is where he should be. His relentless motor serves him best there. I also love that his first move when receiving the ball is to move it forward. 

that's where he plays... moves higher up when applying pressure, or lower to fend off pressure. The midfield is where everything happens, but it's not a place governed by (usually) 2 lowly CMs.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,823]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

that's where he plays... moves higher up when applying pressure, or lower to fend off pressure. The midfield is where everything happens, but it's not a place governed by (usually) 2 lowly CMs.

There have been way too many games mount started or was brought on as a winger.

[robsblubot 3,595]

33 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

There have been way too many games mount started or was brought on as a winger.

Also works for me. Honestly, I don't think it matters much where he plays, but his role is mostly unchanged.

We passengers in the team, Mount isn't one of them.

[wally green 0]

18 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Is this a joke?

Name me one player on the planet that man marked both Vinicius Jr and Leao out of the game entirely. 

No joke just my opinion.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,823]

 

[Superblue 6,372]

2 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

This could be quite a big thing as it appears he's moving immediately with no gardening leave. (I'm pretty sure Joe Shields for example has gardening leave with Southampton to fulfil first).

It means that he has a few weeks now to have those discussions with the board, Potter, Macauley, etc to see if any work could and should be done in January. As head of recruitment at Brighton it's not like he won't have been doing work in recent weeks/months on scouting and recruitment at them. The goalposts may change coming here, but he's been recruited off the back of his work at Brighton so maybe he has a couple of gems up his sleeve that he was eyeing up when at Brighton that would be just as ideal here at Chelsea.

[robsblubot 3,595]

2 hours ago, Superblue said:

This could be quite a big thing as it appears he's moving immediately with no gardening leave. (I'm pretty sure Joe Shields for example has gardening leave with Southampton to fulfil first).

It means that he has a few weeks now to have those discussions with the board, Potter, Macauley, etc to see if any work could and should be done in January. As head of recruitment at Brighton it's not like he won't have been doing work in recent weeks/months on scouting and recruitment at them. The goalposts may change coming here, but he's been recruited off the back of his work at Brighton so maybe he has a couple of gems up his sleeve that he was eyeing up when at Brighton that would be just as ideal here at Chelsea.

May? It’s a huge change for him. The lists he worked with at Brighton aren’t the same he will be working with at Chelsea. Same goes with agents and scouts.

another huge bet and immediate downgrade from what we had not long ago.

silver lining is that at least it will be a paid professional doing this work once again.

Are we turning into Brighton? 😆

[Tomo 21,751]

39 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

May? It’s a huge change for him. The lists he worked with at Brighton aren’t the same he will be working with at Chelsea. Same goes with agents and scouts.

another huge bet and immediate downgrade from what we had not long ago.

Who did we have not long ago? One of the big criticisms of Roman's era was not putting this type of team together.

[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

Aye Emenalo and Marina signing Rahman, Pato, Falcao, Papu Djiliboli, etc was a fine operational team.  
 

Or the 1 billion spent since our last title win whilst being no where near 1st place. 
 

Bang up job. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by MoroccanBlue

[Blue Armour 4,477]

42 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Aye Emenalo and Marina signing Rahman, Pato, Falcao, Papu Djiliboli, etc was a fine operational team.  
 

Or the 1 billion spent since our last title win whilst being no where near 1st place. 
 

Bang up job. 

Imagine a back line of Papi Djilobdji, Matt Miazga, Baba Rahman, with Bakoyoko as CDM

Edited November 15, 2022 by Blue Armour

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Who did we have not long ago? One of the big criticisms of Roman's era was not putting this type of team together.

what type? they are nobodies 🤷‍♂️😕

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

what type? they are nobodies 🤷‍♂️😕

Are they though? Sure most of them may not come with that 'elite club pedigree' but what they all share is they have plenty of experience at clubs that are pretty much universally considered to have a very good eye for finding great young talent.

- The guys brought from Brighton have been heavily involved with identifying and buying the likes of Trossard, Cucurella, Caicedo, Bissouma, MacAllister in the last few years alone for around £5-15M each. 

- Joe Shields has lots of experience from being the chief youth scout for Man City and brought for example Jadon Sancho to the club. He then got hired to be the head scout at Southampton and the players he got the club to buy (Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap and Lavia) have all been good in the EPL despite being just 18-20yo.

- Before Laurence Stewart took the Technical Director job at Monaco he was the head scout for RB Leipzig who are known to have a great track record with their signings. For example he was there when they signed Christopher Nkunku so chances are he might have had some input for that one.

- The other RB group guy Christopher Vivell was the head of the scouting department at RB Salzburg for five years (2015-2020) and together with Freund, who sadly didn't join this new recruitment team at Chelsea, he is said to have had a hand in unearthing and bringing in the likes of Erling Haaland, Karim Adeyemi and Benjamin Sesko to the club among others.

Just because you personally haven't heard about any them before doesn't mean they're considered nobodies in the footballing world. Either way it's a big change from the previous setup where we had Scott McLachlan heading the scouting department (with a lousy record in recent years if I might add) and then basically Marina deciding everything by herself. I'd be very surprised if this new group of recruitment personnel weren't better at identifying the right players than their predecessors.

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[robsblubot 3,595]

48 minutes ago, Jype said:

Are they though? Sure most of them may not come with that 'elite club pedigree' but what they all share is they have plenty of experience at clubs that are pretty much universally considered to have a very good eye for finding great young talent.

- The guys brought from Brighton have been heavily involved with identifying and buying the likes of Trossard, Cucurella, Caicedo, Bissouma, MacAllister in the last few years alone for around £5-15M each. 

- Joe Shields has lots of experience from being the chief youth scout for Man City and brought for example Jadon Sancho to the club. He then got hired to be the head scout at Southampton and the players he got the club to buy (Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap and Lavia) have all been good in the EPL despite being just 18-20yo.

- Before Laurence Stewart took the Technical Director job at Monaco he was the head scout for RB Leipzig who are known to have a great track record with their signings. For example he was there when they signed Christopher Nkunku so chances are he might have had some input for that one.

- The other RB group guy Christopher Vivell was the head of the scouting department at RB Salzburg for five years (2015-2020) and together with Freund, who sadly didn't join this new recruitment team at Chelsea, he is said to have had a hand in unearthing and bringing in the likes of Erling Haaland, Karim Adeyemi and Benjamin Sesko to the club among others.

Just because you personally haven't heard about any them before doesn't mean they're considered nobodies in the footballing world. Either way it's a big change from the previous setup where we had Scott McLachlan heading the scouting department (with a lousy record in recent years if I might add) and then basically Marina deciding everything by herself. I'd be very surprised if this new group of recruitment personnel weren't better at identifying the right players than their predecessors.

You are right that "nobodies" may have been a bit strong, but my point was the at the very least the contacts they used to work with aren't the same they will now have to work with. They will not necessarily have relationships with the top agents and scouts... something that Marina certainly had. I think it's easy to disregard what they accomplished, I can easily criticize a good number of their signings, but there was quite a bit of silverware in the mix as well.

The players you cited (from Brighton guys) are more suited for a team like Brighton IMO... including our own Cucurella (though too early to pass judgement).

Thank you for the information... while it does not make optimistic about the future, it does provide some reassurance that it's not a bunch of quacks. it's also good to know some of them have experience with scouting youth, which is IMO the only way we can compete at this level.