Chelsea Transfers

[Special Juan 28,187]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

If we had been hearing rumblings for weeks that we were in contact via back channels or something I’d still think there is a chance for Haaland. Like with Havertz last summer we heard simmering for weeks and weeks. Haaland has said himself that he hadn’t even been in contact much with his agent. That combined with multiple people like Romano and Fjortoft saying there’s been zero contact between us and BVB makes me think this is just a no-go.

Too late in the window and surely too big of a transaction to just rush through. If we had attacked the situation shortly after the window opened and given BVB the entire summer to identify and sign replacements we perhaps could’ve done a deal. Doesn’t seem realistic to complete a 150m+ deal in a couple of days.

I honestly believe we have spoken to them about what they want and the financial package that is needed to fetch him here. I think we touched base with them weeks ago and it's all about us raising cash, speaking with his agent and proving to BVB we can actually afford this.

I also think Romano and Jan Aarge no fuck all, just bits and pieces.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Just like Ruben Dias had 100m release clause. Plus when you add player RC is irrelevant. And we are negotiating with Sevilla which we would not do if we just plan to pay RC.

And we have this report...

 

The release clause is still the fixed price. Dias had a release clause of £80 million but City got him for only £64.3 million because they included Otamendi in the deal and he was deemed to be worth £13.7 million. 

https://theathletic.com/news/manchester-city-transfer-ruben-dias/vlZHrx2d5VXL

Am sure we're trying to do the same with Kounde here by possibly adding Zouma in and I don't think he's worth as much as you have made him out to be, especially when there have been reports going around that we're trying to sell Zouma for only around €30 million. 

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Hermione said:

There was already a rumour about Sanchez + 30 mil for Kounde from Tottenham, Zouma is at least just as good if not better so Zouma +25-30 doesn't seem that farfetched.

Don't think who's better is the point here. As I mentioned above, there have been reports going around that we're trying to sell Zouma for only around €30 million and assuming that's the case, not sure how we can raise his value to Sevilla, particularly when we're trying to ship him out. And a small side note, Zouma has only 2 years left on his contract compared to Sanchez's 3 at Spurs. 

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

I honestly believe we have spoken to them about what they want and the financial package that is needed to fetch him here. I think we touched base with them weeks ago and it's all about us raising cash, speaking with his agent and proving to BVB we can actually afford this.

I also think Romano and Jan Aarge no fuck all, just bits and pieces.

Oh the irony...

[Special Juan 28,187]

2 minutes ago, Jas said:

Oh the irony...

You couldn't make it up.

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

10 minutes ago, Jas said:

The release clause is still the fixed price. Dias had a release clause of £80 million but City got him for only £64.3 million because they included Otamendi in the deal and he was deemed to be worth £13.7 million. 

https://theathletic.com/news/manchester-city-transfer-ruben-dias/vlZHrx2d5VXL

Am sure we're trying to do the same with Kounde here by possibly adding Zouma in and I don't think he's worth as much as you have made him out to be, especially when there have been reports going around that we're trying to sell Zouma for only around €30 million. 

I dont take seriously release clauses in Spain. Asensio and Isco have it on 700m. Real would be thrilled if someone give them 50m. Griezmann even more...

I also dont argue about Zouma price. Like Italian journalist said above Sevilla want 50-60m euros max for Kounde. So Zouma and 20-30m.

Edited July 27, 2021 by NikkiCFC

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I dont take seriously release clauses in Spain. Asensio and Isco have it on 700m. Real would be thrilled if someone give them 50m. Griezmann even more...

They are real and have their uses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyout_clause

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/release-clauses-spain-partey-arsenal-19053305

[Stats 7,156]

Never like the idea of player+cash deals, especially when I believe Zouma is a very valuable asset to the squad. I would rather we pay the clause for Zouma than buy another player and give Zouma away for free as part of the deal. Kounde is very good but PL is a whole different ball game. What is there to suggest Kounde is worth Zouma leaving on a free and paying a sum for Kounde. Zouma is average on the ball but dominant in the air and provides a genuine attacking threat from set-pieces which is always a bonus if we have likes of Ziyech and Mount whipping the balls in. I trust the board if they have identified Kounde. Just don't like the idea of Zouma going as part of the deal.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Stats said:

Zouma is average on the ball but dominant in the air and provides a genuine attacking threat from set-pieces which is always a bonus if we have likes of Ziyech and Mount whipping the balls in.

Don't disagree with that notion but TBF, that's only good if Zouma is gonna play week in week out but he isn't. 

[King Kante 1,643]

56 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Just like Ruben Dias had 100m release clause. Plus when you add player RC is irrelevant. And we are negotiating with Sevilla which we would not do if we just plan to pay RC.

And we have this report...

 

If they want €50m (I am presuming it is Euros) then that should be something like Zouma plus €10-15m. If that happens I am ok with it, although it may make me re-evaluate the need for a expensive CM4 as we will need more height in the side. 

However, I am still of the opinion a CM should be a Goeretzka/SMS rather than a Rice/the Monaco kid whose name I've still not learned to write/Camavinga. 

Edited July 27, 2021 by King Kante

[King Kante 1,643]

22 minutes ago, Stats said:

Never like the idea of player+cash deals, especially when I believe Zouma is a very valuable asset to the squad. I would rather we pay the clause for Zouma than buy another player and give Zouma away for free as part of the deal. Kounde is very good but PL is a whole different ball game. What is there to suggest Kounde is worth Zouma leaving on a free and paying a sum for Kounde. Zouma is average on the ball but dominant in the air and provides a genuine attacking threat from set-pieces which is always a bonus if we have likes of Ziyech and Mount whipping the balls in. I trust the board if they have identified Kounde. Just don't like the idea of Zouma going as part of the deal.

For sure a CM with some height and attacking ability is vital now. 

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, King Kante said:

If they want €50m (I am presuming it is Euros) then that should be something like Zouma plus €10-15m. If that happens I am ok with it, although it may make me re-evaluate the need for a expensive CM4 as we will need more height in the side.

Huh? That tweet says Sevilla want around 50 million plus a player.

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

1 minute ago, Jas said:

Huh? That tweet says Sevilla want around 50 million plus a player.

Read again.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Read again.

Maybe my brain is just broken at this hour but that tweet literally said “Sevilla want 50 million or less AND a player they like”.

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

1 minute ago, Jas said:

Which post are you referring to?

 

[King Kante 1,643]

7 minutes ago, Jas said:

Which post are you referring to?

It say's '50m or less money and a player'. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, King Kante said:

It say's '50m or less money and a player'. 

Doesn’t that exclude the proposed swapped player from the 50 million?

Romano said in the article on the Guardian that Kounde has a release clause of €80 million but the club aren’t prepared to pay that fee. Assuming that is the case, then the deal should probably be like €50 million + Zouma for Kounde, no?

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Wouldn’t even swap Zouma for Kounde straight up yet alone doing a deal for Kounde that is cash + Zouma personally.

I mean Kounde is good currently, young, with huge potential but he still has to get to that next level consistently. He had one really outstanding game v Barcelona which made everyone notice him more but you would think he did that week in week out when the truth is, he didn’t. He didn’t play much better than Rudiger or Christensen did under Tuchel for instance either really.

The worst of it is Varane for £41m is an absolute steal and those cunts United are the ones making the deal, not us, which is infuriating. 

Edited July 27, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[DH1988 1,352]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Wouldn’t even swap Zouma for Kounde straight up yet alone doing a deal for Kounde that is cash + Zouma personally.

I mean Kounde is good currently, young, with huge potential but he still has to get to that next level consistently. He had one really outstanding game v Barcelona which made everyone notice him more but you would think he did that week in week out when the truth is, he didn’t. He didn’t play much better than Rudiger or Christensen did under Tuchel for instance either really.

The worst of it is Varane for £41m is an absolute steal and those cunts United are the ones making the deal, not us, which is infuriating. 

Disagree regarding Varane, I personally think he’s going to be found out in the premiership. Does he have the attributes to acclimate? Of course, still think he should have stayed put.

Kounde, totally agree, I don’t see the hype, bang average and I can’t believe we’ve started our transfer business there, aside from a possible keeper.

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

 He had one really outstanding game v Barcelona which made everyone notice him more but you would think he did that week in week out when the truth is, he didn’t.

That game happened this season? Then why Pep wanted him before Ruben Dias year ago?