Superblue 6,372 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pizy said: I’m not ready to call any of our big money signings from the summer complete busts or shit yet. Especially Fofana who has barely played. When our entire team has been extremely poor simultaneously it’s difficult to properly judge these players’ true level. Now that the full focus is back on everyone’s club rather than an upcoming World Cup perhaps the subpar performances will improve. If not then yes, last summer was an unmitigated disaster. As for Andrey Santos and Dateo Fofana, it’s just so difficult to judge these guys. Especially Santos. There are seemingly 10 mega hyped Brazilian teenagers every couple of years who look amazing over there against subpar competition. He has loan for multiple years and not hear from him again written all over him. I agree, I think you have to give this time. With the exception of Koulibaly and Auba due to their ages, the others have time on their side. Cucurella and Fofana's starts here have been completely derailed by illness and injury respectively. Did we overpay for them? Probably yes. But certainly in the case of Fofana, he could very easily end up playing here for the next 8 - 10 years as a first choice centre back. If that happened, we could well end up looking back and thinking what a great buy he's been despite the price. It remains to be seen, but I'm excited about the young players we're targeting. It feels a little bit like 10 years ago when we captured De Bruyne, Courtois, Salah, etc. Only this time, you'd like to think that the structure the new ownership is putting in place is one that'll lead to these players having a much better opportunity to develop over time and 'make it' here. From Hutchinson, Casadei, Carney and Slonina in the summer, to Fofana, Santos and (hopefully) Zakaryan now - they all look capable of playing for Chelsea in the future if they follow their development paths. Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,407 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 let's not become just the Arsenal of the period 2005-10 in which mainly young players are taken without any success OhForAGreavsie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, milka said: let's not become just the Arsenal of the period 2005-10 in which mainly young players are taken without any success I don't think that will be the case, I think the club will look to make a couple of 'first team' signings each summer alongside moves like this. Nkunku already looks sealed, and we're being heavily linked with a midfielder and Gvardiol still in the summer. It looks very much like a two pronged transfer strategy compared to what Arsenal were doing during that period. It is however important to also consider the make up of the squad, and we don't want to cull all the experience in the group all at once. When Arsenal lost the likes of Vieira, Henry, etc they were replaced with younger players who had no experience of winning trophies. In our situation at the very least we do have younger players in our squad who have experience of winning trophies and playing in finals over the last couple of seasons which should put us in much better stead but I still think the real experienced players in our squad do need phasing out over the next couple of years as opposed to 4, 5, 6 of them all leaving in the summer at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Vesper said: Sterling (super disappointing so far) I feel Sterling will be similar to Pedro. If we're shit he will be too but if we have a working system and teammates on form he'll do his bit. Fernando, Blue Armour, Vesper and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,241 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 You guys are never fucking happy. I personally love what's going on. Purchasing some great talent and still being linked to ready made players who most teams want. hat the fuck do you people want? YorkshireBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, DDA said: You guys are never fucking happy. I personally love what's going on. Purchasing some great talent and still being linked to ready made players who most teams want. hat the fuck do you people want? All I want for Christmas is the following: The arsenal and man City mercenaries out of my team. Fofana to get some new knees. Some of these youngsters were buying to actually break through, unlike the last batch. And arsenal to not win the league. mkh, Vesper and bigbluewillie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,954 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I go to the Bahamas for three days and we buy every youngster available. I like it!! jumped at Owl’s Hole. 15M jump into 5M deep crystal clear water. lucio and Vesper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Nice to see deals seemingly getting done before windows are even open as opposed to scrabbling around for last minute deals on deadline day because we've spent the entire window negotiating a couple of percent discount on any deals. Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Superblue said: Nice to see deals seemingly getting done before windows are even open as opposed to scrabbling around for last minute deals on deadline day because we've spent the entire window negotiating a couple of percent discount on any deals. I'm not that fussed about him tbh. He was playing in Brazilian second league so I'd take his stats with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hashishi said: I'm not that fussed about him tbh. He was playing in Brazilian second league so I'd take his stats with a pinch of salt. 20m for a player only thriving in the Brazilian second league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,792 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Any truth in the news that City and Newcastle were looking to sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Strike said: Any truth in the news that City and Newcastle were looking to sign him? Maybe they didn't want to spend 20m... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 hours ago, KEVINAA said: Half of them will probably get a damaging injury with our luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,241 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said: 20m for a player only thriving in the Brazilian second league? Romario Coutinho Many more talents have come from this club. They have a pretty good reputation for producing talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,241 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Most excited about DDFofana. He has bucket loads of potential. Blue Armour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, DDA said: Romario Coutinho Many more talents have come from this club. They have a pretty good reputation for producing talents. So only coutinho recently? Romario came from there over 30 years ago. I don't rate coutinho that highly, he overperformed with suarez in front of him and was found out as soon as he moved to barca. Currently can't even breakthrough into the villa team. Edited December 22, 2022 by Hashishi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,352 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Hashishi said: So only coutinho recently? Romario came from there over 30 years ago. I don't rate coutinho that highly, he overperformed with suarez in front of him and was found out as soon as he moved to barca. Currently can't even breakthrough into the villa team. Why do we need to compare him to their previous players? How does that define his ability? He's an 18 year old kid that's come through their youth system. If he's good enough, he's good enough. He clearly would've been extensively scouted. If he flops, then ultimately who gives a fuck? Not like it's your money. DDA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Hashishi said: I'm not that fussed about him tbh. He was playing in Brazilian second league so I'd take his stats with a pinch of salt. Martinelli joined Arsenal from the 4th tier of Brazilian football and he's not been bad. I think the key here is this is a deal that over the last few years, Chelsea wouldn't have pursued, similar with Fofana. Give the new scouting and recruitment network chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,108 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Tomo said: I feel Sterling will be similar to Pedro. If we're shit he will be too but if we have a working system and teammates on form he'll do his bit. I so hope you are correct Tomo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 hours ago, DDA said: Romario Coutinho Many more talents have come from this club. They have a pretty good reputation for producing talents. I just hope we have a plan vs buying and praying they magically turn into prime Kaka ala Nathan and Piazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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