Chelsea Transfers

[LAM09 6,770]

12 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Would have been fine if he was up to it as a footballer. It wasn't his talk that was the problem. 🙂 DDF is streets ahead of Rom technically so he already looks to me like someone who should be able to walk his talk better than Rom ever could.

I like DDF, and will be delighted if we bring him in. Adding the Russian lad would make it a pleasing, and very encouraging, window. Encouraging in that we'd be getting the right level of prospect, at the right end of the market. The end of the market where some instances of failure must be expected, but where failures are not financially ruinous, and where success is automatically a jackpot.

I recall Lukaku doing well in Belgium and then having a promising loan spell at WBA. I'm not going to say anything about a player I don't have any clue about, but the former delivered to an extent despite his technical flaws. 

As I've previously stated, the direction is a pleasing one & one that arguably proved most successful in terms of incomings a decade or so ago. However, both appear to be options for a few years down the road rather than ones that could seemingly break through by next summer.

[Tomo 21,733]

27 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I recall Lukaku doing well in Belgium and then having a promising loan spell at WBA. I'm not going to say anything about a player I don't have any clue about, but the former delivered to an extent despite his technical flaws. 

As I've previously stated, the direction is a pleasing one & one that arguably proved most successful in terms of incomings a decade or so ago. However, both appear to be options for a few years down the road rather than ones that could seemingly break through by next summer.

It's quite funny (in a bad way) that the one time signing Lukaku would have made some sort of sense we missed out and the two times it made no sense whatsoever we signed him. Although that said he would have been quickly out of the door once Sarri arrived.

I'm convinced that tour of Stamford Bridge was a stunt and he wasn't even a Chelsea fan and unfortunately we fell for it twice.

[Pizy 18,401]

The strikers we’re being linked to are all so hugely underwhelming. Couple of teenagers in Moukoko and Fofana who are 100% not ready to be majore contributors at a top club and Tammy who is pretty bang average for a massive fee after we let him leave once before.

There’s not a ready made, mid-twenties forward who we can target? 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,514]

26 minutes ago, Pizy said:

The strikers we’re being linked to are all so hugely underwhelming. Couple of teenagers in Moukoko and Fofana who are 100% not ready to be majore contributors at a top club and Tammy who is pretty bang average for a massive fee after we let him leave once before.

There’s not a ready made, mid-twenties forward who we can target? 

Dušan Vlahović age 22

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[LAM09 6,770]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

It's quite funny (in a bad way) that the one time signing Lukaku would have made some sort of sense we missed out and the two times it made no sense whatsoever we signed him. Although that said he would have been quickly out of the door once Sarri arrived.

I'm convinced that tour of Stamford Bridge was a stunt and he wasn't even a Chelsea fan and unfortunately we fell for it twice.

That's a common trend at this club, especially when it comes to CFs. Buy them at the wrong time and expect big things from them. 

There are so many bad habits that I hope disappear under new ownership. I'm also under no illusion that those bad habits won't be replaced by new ones.

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

The strikers we’re being linked to are all so hugely underwhelming. Couple of teenagers in Moukoko and Fofana who are 100% not ready to be majore contributors at a top club and Tammy who is pretty bang average for a massive fee after we let him leave once before.

There’s not a ready made, mid-twenties forward who we can target? 

Osimhen (24 in a matter of days). It isn't hard to narrow it down.

[Hashishi 148]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

That's a common trend at this club, especially when it comes to CFs. Buy them at the wrong time and expect big things from them. 

There are so many bad habits that I hope disappear under new ownership. I'm also under no illusion that those bad habits won't be replaced by new ones.

Osimhen (24 in a matter of days). It isn't hard to narrow it down.

Osimhen would cost a fortune though. I fully expect another auba level striker to join next month.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,895]

4 hours ago, LAM09 said:

I recall Lukaku doing well in Belgium and then having a promising loan spell at WBA. I'm not going to say anything about a player I don't have any clue about, but the former delivered to an extent despite his technical flaws. 

As I've previously stated, the direction is a pleasing one & one that arguably proved most successful in terms of incomings a decade or so ago. However, both appear to be options for a few years down the road rather than ones that could seemingly break through by next summer.

Rom never delivered for Chelsea, did not deliver to a satisfactory standard for ManU, and would not have delivered for us if we had been unfortunate enough to re-sign him from Everton. He has never shown anything to contradict my autumn 2011 prediction that he would never be good enough for Chelsea. I made that prediction based on my assessment of his technical level and my conviction that a player's output will, ultimately, be tethered to his technical level. Form fluctuates, but it fluctuates around a footballer's basic level.

This conviction also allowed me to correctly predict that, sooner or later, Torres would fail at Liverpool and, of course, that he would fail at Chelsea. As I argued since before he joined Liverpool, Nando was an ordinary footballer whose purple patch must ultimately collapse to its true level as set by his talent, or lack of it. You are 100% correct to caution against overestimating DDF, a player few of us know anything about. The one thing I feel able to assess is that his technical level is higher than Rom's and so he at least has a chance, which I maintain Rom never did.

I do want us to sign DDF if it's for the fee reported. That's the kind of money which should be paid for a player who is no more than a prospect. If we get him one of his biggest challenges will be in his head. Moving to a stronger league he will obviously find it harder to produce but, where he is now, he knows where he stands in the pecking order. Once in England however, he will find himself lower down and that will affect his confidence. Confidence plays a big part in what a player tries to do, never mind what he actually can do. If he arrives we'll see how he copes with that knock.

Edited December 16, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[LAM09 6,770]

2 hours ago, Hashishi said:

Osimhen would cost a fortune though. I fully expect another auba level striker to join next month.

We're more than willing to spend £100m plus on Leao or Gvardiol.

The last thing we need is another stop-gap.

2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Rom never delivered for Chelsea, did not deliver to a satisfactory standard for ManU, and would not have delivered for us if we had been unfortunate enough to re-sign him from Everton. He has never shown anything to contradict my autumn 2011 prediction that he would never be good enough for Chelsea. I made that prediction based on my assessment of his technical level and my conviction that a player's output will, ultimately, be tethered to his technical level. Form fluctuates, but it fluctuates around a footballer's basic level.

This conviction also allowed me to correctly predict that, sooner or later, Torres would fail at Liverpool and, of course, that he would fail at Chelsea. As I argued since before he joined Liverpool, Nando was an ordinary footballer whose purple patch must ultimately collapse to its true level as set by his talent, or lack of it. You are 100% correct to caution against overestimating DDF, a player few of us know anything about. The one thing I feel able to assess is that his technical level is higher than Rom's and so he at least has a chance, which I maintain Rom never did.

I do want us to sign DDF if it's for the fee reported. That's the kind of money which should be paid for a player who is no more than a prospect. If we get him one of his biggest challenges will be in his head. Moving to a stronger league he will obviously find it harder to produce but, where he is now, he knows where he stands in the pecking order. Once in England however, he will find himself lower down and that will affect his confidence. Confidence plays a big part in what a player tries to do, never mind what he actually can do. If he arrives we'll see how he copes with that knock.

Neither did Salah or De Bruyne. This narrative of players not delivering for us really needs to stop at this point, as none of them were giving a fair crack of the whip. Both players have gone on to become the best the league has to offer, and we lost out on them because of managers. There's nothing more to be said about it. Lukaku's issue has always been his ego. He was a big fish in a small pond in Belgium along with the likes of Defour & Witsel, and none of those players managed to live up to their potential. 

I can't agree with your thoughts about Torres; he had everything needed to be a top CF but heavily relied on his ability to burst past someone (just look at his montage against Vidic, who some believe to be the best CB to every play in the league). The moment he got seriously injured at Liverpool, he lost that edge, and as a result, his confidence was shot. Roman, Ancelotti, or whoever it was still went ahead and spent a record fee on someone living off a reputation. That's the biggest worry I have as well. More players than I can name have been gifted with talent but couldn't handle the pressure of being away from their families, adapting to different surroundings, or the struggle of having to fight for a place.

These sorts of signings have to be more than just gambles that will at the very least return a small profit should things turn sour, which has been the story of almost every youth player we've signed since the Belgian trio & Salah. Just look at Real Madrid; they've gotten a lot of flak for their lavish spending on players who can't even legally buy a drink yet, even though there's a purpose behind their thinking - the first team.

Edit - Just to clarify, I'm not saying we should follow RM's strategy with regards to spending stupid money on kids. We should rather be going after players who could make the jump to the first team from the get-go. A name that comes to mind is Kvaratskhelia.

@Vesper pointed him out as a potential option before most of Europe even knew about him.

Edited December 17, 2022 by LAM09

[Hashishi 148]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

We're more than willing to spend £100m plus on Leao or Gvardiol.

The last thing we need is another stop-gap.

Neither did Salah or De Bruyne. This narrative of players not delivering for us really needs to stop at this point, as none of them were giving a fair crack of the whip. Both players have gone on to become the best the league has to offer, and we lost out on them because of managers. There's nothing more to be said about it. Lukaku's issue has always been his ego. He was a big fish in a small pond in Belgium along with the likes of Defour & Witsel, and none of those players managed to live up to their potential. 

I can't agree with your thoughts about Torres; he had everything needed to be a top CF but heavily relied on his ability to burst past someone (just look at his montage against Vidic, who some believe to be the best CB to every play in the league). The moment he got seriously injured at Liverpool, he lost that edge, and as a result, his confidence was shot. Roman, Ancelotti, or whoever it was still went ahead and spent a record fee on someone living off a reputation. That's the biggest worry I have as well. More players than I can name have been gifted with talent but couldn't handle the pressure of being away from their families, adapting to different surroundings, or the struggle of having to fight for a place.

These sorts of signings have to be more than just gambles that will at the very least return a small profit should things turn sour, which has been the story of almost every youth player we've signed since the Belgian trio & Salah. Just look at Real Madrid; they've gotten a lot of flak for their lavish spending on players who can't even legally buy a drink yet, even though there's a purpose behind their thinking - the first team.

Edit - Just to clarify, I'm not saying we should follow RM's strategy with regards to spending stupid money on kids. We should rather be going after players who could make the jump to the first team from the get-go. A name that comes to mind is Kvaratskhelia.

@Vesper pointed him out as a potential option before most of Europe even knew about him.

Donkeyakus misses against Croatia

I don't disagree with what you have said but please watch the second half of these highlights and tell me what is so big fish about him. If anything he is a fat pig stranded at sea. His ego is precisely the problem because he thinks he's too good for the team when staying at Everton would've probably been the best career move of his entire life. 

De bruyne played with the likes of Claudio bravo and otamendi and salah plays week in week out with Hendo shouting at him. They never say a word and are only concerned with their football. That is what makes them so world class. Ronaldo and messi played with shit players, it's mot an excuse because it's a team game. Big fish own the pond. Donkeyaku was never a big fish.

[Reddish-Blue 2,350]

6 hours ago, Hashishi said:

Donkeyakus misses against Croatia

I don't disagree with what you have said but please watch the second half of these highlights and tell me what is so big fish about him. If anything he is a fat pig stranded at sea. His ego is precisely the problem because he thinks he's too good for the team when staying at Everton would've probably been the best career move of his entire life. 

De bruyne played with the likes of Claudio bravo and otamendi and salah plays week in week out with Hendo shouting at him. They never say a word and are only concerned with their football. That is what makes them so world class. Ronaldo and messi played with shit players, it's mot an excuse because it's a team game. Big fish own the pond. Donkeyaku was never a big fish.

Big fish in a small pond generally refers to players with an ego who think they are better than they actually are.  Like Zaha is a big fish in small pond, he went to United, couldn't break through, went back to Palace and he is their star player. 

Lukaku sucks because he never worked on his game.

[Vesper 28,975]

NO to bringing TAMMY BACK

no no no

the bloke is tracking to 8 or 9 goals and 5 or 6 assists for the season

and will cost a shedload

probably within £15m or so of Osimhen and more than Vlahovic would cost

Edited December 17, 2022 by Vesper

[milka 3,349]

 

[Vesper 28,975]

On 15/12/2022 at 17:56, milka said:

Mame Biram Diouf is this guy from Molde .

Senior career
Years    Team    Apps    (Gls)
2006–2007    Diaraf        
2007–2009    Molde    62    (29)
2009–2012    Manchester United    5    (1)
2009    → Molde (loan)    12    (4)
2010–2011    → Blackburn Rovers (loan)    26    (3)
2012–2014    Hannover 96    57    (26)
2014–2020    Stoke City    144    (24)
2020–2022    Hatayspor    73    (31)
2022–    Konyaspor    9    (4)

Mame Biram Diouf during the cup final in 2009.

[DDA 9,689]

Think I may be one on my own here but I really wouldn't mind seeing the Mexican fella Alverez come here to play DM in Jan. 

 

 

 

He isn't a flahsy player but definitely something we have been missing for quite some time. He has alot of grit and determination and ultimately the defensive nouse to sure up our weak ass midfield. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hashishi 148]

40 minutes ago, DDA said:

Think I may be one on my own here but I really wouldn't mind seeing the Mexican fella Alverez come here to play DM in Jan. 

 

 

 

He isn't a flahsy player but definitely something we have been missing for quite some time. He has alot of grit and determination and ultimately the defensive nouse to sure up our weak ass midfield. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edson Alvarez sucks and is worse than jorginho. We should be making our squad stronger not watering it down. @Vesperis Rice the best DM we can sign?

[NikkiCFC 8,033]

Welcome Nkunku. Tremendous player last season and a half. Last season 35g and 20a. This season already 17 goals in just 3 months season so far. Clearly playing best as SS just like Werner did but we never gave that position to Timo. Pulisic also much better on the left but here plays mostly on the right. Havertz is best as AM imo but for us he is exclusively number 9. So I'm very sceptical about Nkunku or any other attackers here because of this. We now play with one striker and two wingers so 2 best positions for Nkunku don't exist in our formation. Let's hope from next season we finally play to players strengths. 

[NikkiCFC 8,033]

So basically considering Ziyech and Pulisic are most likely leaving and Sterling is just not good enough no point to play with wingers. We also have no one for RW spot. Playing to players strengths would be to play 4312 with Havertz behind Nkunku and let's say Vlahovic or whoever we sign for CF spot. If we get Leao things would change but let's see.