Chelsea Transfers

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The biggest problem is that you can have as much talent as you want in a team and all individually there are arguments for what some of the players can possibly be, but it feels there was no real plan in our recruitment and how these players might mesh together into a cohesive unit.

Ultimately this goes hand in hand with the flip-flop nature of managerial appointments we've had because it's not just a conveyor belt of managers, but there's been no plan seemingly with their appointments either. We'll see in the future, but I believe when its time for Klopp and Pep to go that Liverpool and City won't rip up what has been built there but look to bring in a manager with similar values, philosophies, etc in the hope that it'll sync well with the squad they are inheriting. For years now, we've had an imbalanced squad bought under a multitude of different managers with different styles and formations and our attack is no different in this regard. 

At the very least now having someone that has been here for longer than a cup of coffee and a bit more stroke around the place like Tuchel seems to currently have, we are starting to move players on who should have been moved on years ago. That's not a process that is going to just take this summer, and there's a good possibility some players like Barkley just sit on the last year of their contracts here but I believe by next summer we'll have largely rid ourselves of a bloated squad and streamlined it. 

I don't see all of these links happening before the window closes, and I don't think the club should panic. It's a much shortened period before the January window with the World Cup in December. There's plenty of time to revisit moves for Fofana and Gordon if the club still wish to pursue them, but we should definitely be standing our ground with regards to bids on these players rather than just accepting the inevitable and agreeing to the seller club demands because the window is closing. 

If Tuchel is genuinely getting the backing from the new ownership and being given an extension, he has to buy into a longer term plan of thinking and that may involve waiting for certain players and as a result having to make do with what he has currently. Liverpool did the same with Van Dijk, City didn't panic buy last summer when they couldn't get Kane. We have to start operating in the same way. As an example, IF Rice is the one the club and Tuchel want for the midfield then wait for him instead of deviating away and picking up someone inferior because they're available now. We've done that far too many times before, just as recently as Lukaku last summer, and it never ends well.

I actually quite like parts of Anthony Gordon's game and I do see the potential there whereby he could become a very good player in the future and with young, flair players like that it's sometimes difficult to assess their ceiling right now but he certainly has the mentality and work rate to go far. The problem is the price being quoted stops it being a buy where you're taking a chance on what he can become, and instead you're having to assess what he is right now and he isn't a £60m player currently. 

Isnt gordon like 19? 60m for a 19 year old comming from a side that just survived relegation, it's absolutely absurd!

[Blues Forever 1,232]

9 minutes ago, Kong said:

Isnt gordon like 19? 60m for a 19 year old comming from a side that just survived relegation, it's absolutely absurd!

Yeah, no wonder many people are laughing at us.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[shrenshah 186]

Can we not hijack the Antony deal with some kind of Ziyech barter and get him for around 60mn pounds instead of Gordon.

Gordon is huge gamble even at 35-40mn (Let alone 60mn) which may or may not pay off. Antony is more experienced and more likely to be successful.

Edited August 24, 2022 by shrenshah

[gdlk 286]

Why we need to splash big cash on overrated english woods while we can find alot cheap  similar players outside England

[DDA 9,941]

I would rather Neto than Anthony G based on the price.

[Pizy 18,917]

31 minutes ago, shrenshah said:

Can we not hijack the Antony deal with some kind of Ziyech barter and get him for around 60mn pounds instead of Gordon.

Gordon is huge gamble even at 35-40mn (Let alone 60mn) which may or may not pay off. Antony is more experienced and more likely to be successful.

Antony is going to be a massively expensive flop I think. He’s nowhere close to a €90m player. Ziyech was even better for Ajax than him and look how he turned out in the PL. It’s quite easy for a very solid player to look like a beast when you’re basically playing for the Bayern Munich of the Dutch league. 

All of their recent stars that have moved on to bigger clubs have either flopped or not come close to living up to their hype. Van de Beek, De Jong, De Ligt, Ziyech. All players who looked like superstars for Ajax but have been average after leaving. Or worse in DVB’s case. Antony will be no different.

[ulvhedin 526]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Antony is going to be a massively expensive flop I think. He’s nowhere close to a €90m player. Ziyech was even better for Ajax than him and look how he turned out in the PL. It’s quite easy for a very solid player to look like a beast when you’re basically playing for the Bayern Munich of the Dutch league. 

All of their recent stars that have moved on to bigger clubs have either flopped or not come close to living up to their hype. Van de Beek, De Jong, De Ligt, Ziyech. All players who looked like superstars for Ajax but have been average after leaving. Or worse in DVB’s case. Antony will be no different.

Also Hirving Lozano, beast in PSV, ok for Napoli but nothing more

[Pizy 18,917]

Newcastle close to signing Isak for £60m. I asked a couple of weeks ago why we aren’t taking a punt on him and was told he had a down year. But I think this will be a great signing for Newcastle. They’re building a serious team up there.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,537]

52 minutes ago, shrenshah said:

Can we not hijack the Antony deal with some kind of Ziyech barter and get him for around 60mn pounds instead of Gordon.

Gordon is huge gamble even at 35-40mn (Let alone 60mn) which may or may not pay off. Antony is more experienced and more likely to be successful.

I see Anthony being as big a risk.Gordon doesnt have a ton of EPL experience but Anthony has none.i wouldnt buy anyone from Holland for above 30m.plenty of great players have come from there but about 95% were from over 20 years ago.

if going foreign route and wanting to pay similar money.i would personally go for someone like Yeremy Pino.has lots of traits that TT desires. Although not much of a goal scorer.will press and free up Reece to attack freely.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Meh every league has its flops, using such rational then you might not buy anyone. De Jong and De ligt are not flops, maybe not generational players.

I always look at skill set, Antony has pace, trickery, close control, etc those attributes do quite well in the PL. 

I watch Gordon highlight I don’t see the skill set that is required to play on a team that faces primary low block. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

1 hour ago, Kong said:

Isnt gordon like 19? 60m for a 19 year old comming from a side that just survived relegation, it's absolutely absurd!

He is 21, same age as CHO you know the guy who deemed a flop on this board.

 

quite the ability to score deflected goals.

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

11 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

He is 21, same age as CHO you know the guy who deemed a flop on this board.

 

quite the ability to score deflected goals.

CHO is a flop there is no 2 ways about it.

[Clockwork 1,794]

13 minutes ago, Kong said:

CHO is a flop there is no 2 ways about it.

What does that say about Gordon? CHO was more productive than him last season.

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Pizy 18,917]

Gordon’s statistical production is terrible and there’s really no arguing that. But tbf to him he’s playing in the worst Everton side in memory. You think we struggle to score goals, try watching Everton over the past year. 

If you were to ask me straight up who I’d rather have in a Chelsea XI at this moment between CHO and Gordon I’d have Gordon. Because he’s actually brave on the ball and has stones. He’ll take his man on and put extreme pressure on defenses. Then you get all his off the ball work. 

We no longer have the CHO from his pre-Achilles injury days when Bayern were desperate to take him. He’s a shadow of that player right now. Maybe a year in Germany will bring that player back.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Barcelona have asked Chelsea to accept paying €25m+ €3m add-ons for Aubameyang. If they accept, Aubameyang will leave today.

[milka 3,393]

Thomas Tuchel  has made it very clear that he has no intentions of signing a midfielder , ruling Chelsea out as a possible destination for De Jong . (Marca)