Chelsea Transfers

[Artandur 939]

Have we ever signed anyone who was included in that strange media-watch thing on the website? 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Now get Banhrama to replace Willian please.

[Puliiszola 519]

4 hours ago, Alabama said:

The latter is likely the possible scenario...Though I hate to say this Alonso might end up staying...we have lots of deals to close getting 2LBs might not be that feasible...

I don't think why feasibility would be an issue. Financially, we barely need to invest. If we can offload both emerson (highly rumored to inter) and alonso. Then should not be much of an issue. We can make one of our weakest areas as a consistent source of threat and defensively good. 

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

Now get Banhrama to replace Willian please.

Nah, I am not sold on him after watching Brentford's last five games. Watkins is Brentford's best attacker. Banhrama is flashy on the ball but goes missing for large chucks of every game. Can see him pulling a Taarbat when he moves up a league. 

[Rapkun 668]

32 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

I don't think why feasibility would be an issue. Financially, we barely need to invest. If we can offload both emerson (highly rumored to inter) and alonso. Then should not be much of an issue. We can make one of our weakest areas as a consistent source of threat and defensively good. 

Offloading players is not as easy you think, especially with the wages we're paying them. We'll be lucky to get rid of 1. Emerson is the likeliest to depart. Still young, surprisingly in demand before the covid situation and the coach doesn't trust him one bit.

[Puliiszola 519]

2 minutes ago, Rapkun said:

Offloading players is not as easy you think, especially with the wages we're paying them. We'll be lucky to get rid of 1. Emerson is the likeliest to depart. Still young, surprisingly in demand before the covid situation and the coach doesn't trust him one bit.

Nothing is easy, but does not mean it's not possible. We would not have been looking for a mega deal for chillwell if we were not sure to offload atleast one of alonso/emerson. 

But given that we will be buying reguilon (hopefully) at less than half of what chilwell would have cost us, it makes financial sense to back it up and make it more solid. With the fixture congestion, players are not going to be able to play week in week out and particularly this year is going to be crazy. If we are actually able to pull it off, then we should. And I feel, it's very much possible 

[King Kante 1,643]

Everyone says sell the following: 

Batsh*t, Barkley, Emerson, Kepa, Drinky, Baka, AC, Zappa and Baba

And then you have a mixture of people who say sell: 

Jorgi, Alonso, Zouma, Rudi and Kante

The problem however is wages, with the exception of Emerson (reported £40k a week) and Zouma all of those players are on wages way too high for their ability. 

For me, we have four categories that these players fall into: 

Cat 1 - Have a decent market 

Emerson - His wages are cheap enough for most top 6 Italian sides 

Zouma - Has enough cred in the bag from his previous loans to be able to sell

Barkley - A bit of a push due to £100k a week wages, but due to his nationality and physical strength may just be able to convince someone

Cat 2 - Absolutely no chance we will find a buyer

Kepa - £170k a week makes him a top 10 paid GK in the world. Plus he was brought for £72m. At best we may find a loan where we have to pay his wages.

Drinky - No explanation needed. Likely to have either alcohol problems and/or mental health problems. 

Baba - Reportedly on £60k a week. Chronic injury problems. 

Zappa - I actually think he is an ok player. However, high wage (£70k a week) plus ACL injury means he is a no go for anyone. 

Cat 3 - Very small market 

AC - Will not be wanted by any PL team. Earns £70k+. Rated at £30m+ by club. Only team that may still rate him in that region (at a push) is Gladbach. 

Kante - Had bad injuries for a year now. Very high earner (£150-£300k depending on what source you want to believe) only market is PSG as the other top 5 European clubs do not want him/or do not have the finances this year. 

Jorgi - Would have to go back to Italy, unless Pep still wants him. Only clubs that he would fit are Juve and Napoli. Napoli do not have the finances after buying. Juve have too many midfielders on high wages. 

Alonso - Inter are the only team where he would make sense. They have already laid out a sizable amount on a RBand seem to insanely being giving Utd a reprieveon Sanchez. Seem to not being getting Martinez money this Summer. 

Cat 4 - The players have unrealistic views on their ability level and who they should be playing for. 

Batsh*t - Seems to think a team like WHU are beneath him so that rules out mid table PL sides. Also refuses to go back to Belgium (from reports.) High wage of £110k will not be provided outside of England. 

Baka - Apparently only wants Milan. Milan do not have the cash to pay him £110k a week. Also, fee would be prohibitive for them, hence way they past last Summer. 

Rudi - Seems to be someone very happy to be at Chelsea. Cannot see him moving anywhere unless it is someone of a similar level or higher. Not going to happen. 

That for me, means the only ones that we may be able to shift are: 

Emerson, Barkley and Zouma (however, he isn't really a CB that is first in line to be culled.) 

Then we have outside chances of: Kante (losing him is a risk owing to the make up of our side), Jorgi, AC (if Gladbach have cash or are willing to swap a player) and Alonso (if Inter have more cash that what it appears.)

The rest I think we are lumbered with, with our best hope being a loan. Those in Cat 2 are pretty much a drag on finances as at best they will be loaned with subsidised wages. 

[shrenshah 186]

Why is madrid selling reguilon for a mere 20mn euro
Is he not good or are madrid so cashstrapped

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[Blues Forever 1,232]

44 minutes ago, shrenshah said:

Why is madrid selling reguilon for a mere 20mn euro
Is he not good or are madrid so cashstrapped

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Doubt Madrid would sell him for that price, i think €30m - €40m is more likely.

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, Blues Forever said:

Doubt Madrid would sell him for that price, i think €30m - €40m is more likely.

Rumored price if 20-25m euros.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

1 hour ago, Puliiszola said:

Rumored price if 20-25m euros.

Seriously doubt Madrid want to sell Reguilon for that price. 

[Styl1994 188]

Signings I would be happy with for rest of the window 

Onana 

Reguilon 

Rice 

Havertz 

Benrahma

Foster 

[coolhead23 1,147]

Decent Analysis on Onana 

Had the same concern on his decision making ability and not sold on him being a ball playing goalie. Biggest issue from this video is that he parries the ball in such a way that it remains in dangerous play. However i do feel he is a solid upgrade at the cost he is available 

[Puliiszola 519]

7 hours ago, King Kante said:

Everyone says sell the following: 

Batsh*t, Barkley, Emerson, Kepa, Drinky, Baka, AC, Zappa and Baba

And then you have a mixture of people who say sell: 

Jorgi, Alonso, Zouma, Rudi and Kante

The problem however is wages, with the exception of Emerson (reported £40k a week) and Zouma all of those players are on wages way too high for their ability. 

For me, we have four categories that these players fall into: 

Cat 1 - Have a decent market 

Emerson - His wages are cheap enough for most top 6 Italian sides 

Zouma - Has enough cred in the bag from his previous loans to be able to sell

Barkley - A bit of a push due to £100k a week wages, but due to his nationality and physical strength may just be able to convince someone

Cat 2 - Absolutely no chance we will find a buyer

Kepa - £170k a week makes him a top 10 paid GK in the world. Plus he was brought for £72m. At best we may find a loan where we have to pay his wages.

Drinky - No explanation needed. Likely to have either alcohol problems and/or mental health problems. 

Baba - Reportedly on £60k a week. Chronic injury problems. 

Zappa - I actually think he is an ok player. However, high wage (£70k a week) plus ACL injury means he is a no go for anyone. 

Cat 3 - Very small market 

AC - Will not be wanted by any PL team. Earns £70k+. Rated at £30m+ by club. Only team that may still rate him in that region (at a push) is Gladbach. 

Kante - Had bad injuries for a year now. Very high earner (£150-£300k depending on what source you want to believe) only market is PSG as the other top 5 European clubs do not want him/or do not have the finances this year. 

Jorgi - Would have to go back to Italy, unless Pep still wants him. Only clubs that he would fit are Juve and Napoli. Napoli do not have the finances after buying. Juve have too many midfielders on high wages. 

Alonso - Inter are the only team where he would make sense. They have already laid out a sizable amount on a RBand seem to insanely being giving Utd a reprieveon Sanchez. Seem to not being getting Martinez money this Summer. 

Cat 4 - The players have unrealistic views on their ability level and who they should be playing for. 

Batsh*t - Seems to think a team like WHU are beneath him so that rules out mid table PL sides. Also refuses to go back to Belgium (from reports.) High wage of £110k will not be provided outside of England. 

Baka - Apparently only wants Milan. Milan do not have the cash to pay him £110k a week. Also, fee would be prohibitive for them, hence way they past last Summer. 

Rudi - Seems to be someone very happy to be at Chelsea. Cannot see him moving anywhere unless it is someone of a similar level or higher. Not going to happen. 

That for me, means the only ones that we may be able to shift are: 

Emerson, Barkley and Zouma (however, he isn't really a CB that is first in line to be culled.) 

Then we have outside chances of: Kante (losing him is a risk owing to the make up of our side), Jorgi, AC (if Gladbach have cash or are willing to swap a player) and Alonso (if Inter have more cash that what it appears.)

The rest I think we are lumbered with, with our best hope being a loan. Those in Cat 2 are pretty much a drag on finances as at best they will be loaned with subsidised wages. 

There are 2 reasons why a team wants to sell a player: 

1. Raise funds for incoming player

2. Get the wages and amortized values of players off the financial books

 

Lets take zappacosta for example, a classic case of option 2 (where we just need him off the books). 

Out of his 25mil euro fee:

17/18: Amortization: 6.25mil

18/19: Amortization: 6.25mil

19/20: Amortization: 4.2mil (Since he signed a contract extension of 1 year hence the change in amortization value)

So basically we have 8.4mil euros of value left of him on our books. If we sell him for 10-15mil this window.

10-15mil euros for zappa, will be a very good buy for most italian sides. And i dont think we would have any problem finding a suitor for most of our players. Only issue will be finding suitors for the likes of Kante who seems to be sell for the money type players.  

[King Kante 1,643]

4 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

There are 2 reasons why a team wants to sell a player: 

1. Raise funds for incoming player

2. Get the wages and amortized values of players off the financial books

 

Lets take zappacosta for example, a classic case of option 2 (where we just need him off the books). 

Out of his 25mil euro fee:

17/18: Amortization: 6.25mil

18/19: Amortization: 6.25mil

19/20: Amortization: 4.2mil (Since he signed a contract extension of 1 year hence the change in amortization value)

So basically we have 8.4mil euros of value left of him on our books. If we sell him for 10-15mil this window.

10-15mil euros for zappa, will be a very good buy for most italian sides. And i dont think we would have any problem finding a suitor for most of our players. Only issue will be finding suitors for the likes of Kante who seems to be sell for the money type players.  

This is all well and good but the problem is that Zappa earns £70k a week, the book value is relevant as we need him to either agree a serious wage cut or find someone willing to take on those wages. Further, you say €10-€15m is good value for an Italian team. First, Roma do not seem to think so, which is why they are sending him back. Second, after them, you only have around 5 clubs that could afford that and none of them need him. 

[DANILA 290]

17 hours ago, Jason said:

Huh? There's no danger whatsoever with the HG or non-HG quota.

Doesn't matter, it still is net positive on that front. If it comes down to 50/50 selling Barkley or Jorginho, the latter is more likely to be sold all else equal

[Jase 43,479]

39 minutes ago, DANILA said:

Doesn't matter, it still is net positive on that front. If it comes down to 50/50 selling Barkley or Jorginho, the latter is more likely to be sold all else equal

But where is the market for Jorginho? If Sarri gets sacked by Juventus, then I doubt they would want him but even if he doesn't get sacked, will Juventus want to spend big money on Jorginho in this current situation? Other than Juventus, I can't see any other Italian club wanting him or able to afford him. Moreover, Jorginho still has 3 years left on his contract, meaning it is likely that Marina will want to recoup around the same money we spent on him - 50-60 million. Again, who is willing to pay that right now? With Barkley, there is the English market and for better or for worse, English clubs are more likely to spend on English players and given how cheap we got Barkley, Marina will probably be happy if we can get like 20-30 million for him. Heck, if we're lucky, we might even be able to use him in exchange to sign Rice from West Ham. 

[King Kante 1,643]

52 minutes ago, Jason said:

But where is the market for Jorginho? If Sarri gets sacked by Juventus, then I doubt they would want him but even if he doesn't get sacked, will Juventus want to spend big money on Jorginho in this current situation? Other than Juventus, I can't see any other Italian club wanting him or able to afford him. Moreover, Jorginho still has 3 years left on his contract, meaning it is likely that Marina will want to recoup around the same money we spent on him - 50-60 million. Again, who is willing to pay that right now? With Barkley, there is the English market and for better or for worse, English clubs are more likely to spend on English players and given how cheap we got Barkley, Marina will probably be happy if we can get like 20-30 million for him. Heck, if we're lucky, we might even be able to use him in exchange to sign Rice from West Ham. 

Yeah, this is exactly the problem. At the moment, there appears to be very little movement in the market outside of the top PL teams and possibly PSG. Real, Barca, Bayern (who look to be happy with Sane), Juve etc, aren't buying and if anything are also looking to clear the decks also. I think some PL teams will come to the market due to their finances but the problem with a lot of our players is that their wages are too high for their ability level. 

At the moment, people like Barkley probably still do have a market owing to the English premium but outside of that, and possibly Emerson and Zouma who are on a reasonable wages for their ability, it is going to tough. Further, with the restrictions on loan players over 22, that further hampers us as we are restricted to 6 players out I believe. 

As for Jorgi, as you say Juve are his only destination but Sarri is on thin ice. If they go out to Lyon, I reckon it is curtains for him. Then, even if he somehow pulls off a run to the final or something, Juve are already overloaded at CM with some crazy earners themselves and they have just got Melo. 

Imo, we are in a tough spot when it comes to selling the dregs as even if we go crazily low on fees as most of the players are not getting their wages that they get here.

An example of this is Frazier. He is currently on a free after his contract at Bournemouth expires and was expecting £100k a week as there is no fee. Palace are saying £55k and that is it. 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[shrenshah 186]

9 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Decent Analysis on Onana 

Had the same concern on his decision making ability and not sold on him being a ball playing goalie. Biggest issue from this video is that he parries the ball in such a way that it remains in dangerous play. However i do feel he is a solid upgrade at the cost he is available 

Better way to judge will be to see all the goals conceded by Ajax and whether Onana could have prevented them or was at fault in them