closed Chelsea 1-1 Man United

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

2 minutes ago, Jase said:

My point is putting balls in from either side into the six-yard area for a tap-in or even a header etc but the execution wasn't there. 

Again, it's difficult when you, me, my dog and my nan knew 120 hours before hand that United would stick 5 defenders in the box the entire match. Putting in balls against a wall of 6 foot defenders for Timo Werner to tap in?

It's bizarre game management from Tuchel once again. 

Edited November 28, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, Jase said:

Never said the others had a positive impact.

It's not always just about getting chances, is it? What about the overall flow of the game?

 

The flow of the game was disrupted yes but thats what happens when you and the opposition make a combined 6 subs in a 30 odd minute period as well as how the game was going. It was getting more frantic. It simply didn’t just turn because of Lukaku, it turned because we were on edge, they were frustrating us, they scored from Jorginho’s mistake, Mendy’s made a mistake later on, the frantic need for an equaliser and trying to force it too hard.. United making more recoveries in MF second half, trying to get their ball carriers like Sancho and Lingard into the spaces we were leaving…. all these things altered the flow of the game. Not one guy playing 10 minutes.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

41 minutes ago, Jase said:

As much as Jorginho fucked up for the goal, I have no idea why we had only one player back to defend against United's counter-attack in that situation. United were always looking to play on the break and pounce on any mistake and we opened the door for them. 

Shades of Kante against Arsenal.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

46 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Jorginho f*cked it up. We were going to score a goal by hook or by crook and I don't understand why united did n't score a second when Mendy too made them a gift.
Lukaku cannot be judged - he played for ten minutes and it was Rudiger who missed the sitter in the end, not him.
Ziyech I agree. He is a Roma - Lanerossi player, not Chelsea.
Werner is short. That' s his problem, he is short. Don't know if there have been any short strikers in the past who acquired fame (Francis Lee maybe ?). But that's the problem and everything else being said about it is a fairytale.

I was with you until that last part. Agüero is 7cm shorter than Werner ffs . Timo is 1,80 which is perfectly average 

[Blue Armour 4,439]

40 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Xmas is the time of the year chels give up the ghost, a long series of seasons now.

On the flip side,.when Chelsea has been on top of the table at that time you know what follows.

Make or break time. Good that the CWC has been postponed (I believe?)

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Again, it's difficult when you, me, my dog and my nan knew 120 hours before hand that United would stick 5 defenders in the box the entire match. Putting in balls against a wall of 6 foot defenders for Timo Werner to tap in?

It's bizarre game management from Tuchel once again. 

Again, I meant whipping in behind the defenders, like his goal in midweek.

In any case, I don't really disagree with your point why he started today.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

I was with you until that last part. Agüero is 7cm shorter than Werner ffs . Timo is 1,80 which is perfectly average 

Aguero was also world class on the ball. City's gulf of goals with Aguero was due to his ability on the ball and not relying on him making runs off of defenders with the odd chance he will score a goal. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The flow of the game was disrupted yes but thats what happens when you and the opposition make a combined 6 subs in a 30 odd minute period as well as how the game was going. It was getting more frantic. It simply didn’t just turn because of Lukaku, it turned because we were on edge, they were frustrating us, they scored from Jorginho’s mistake, Mendy’s made a mistake later on, the frantic need for an equaliser and trying to force it too hard.. United making more recoveries in MF second half, trying to get their ball carriers like Sancho and Lingard into the spaces we were leaving…. all these things altered the flow of the game. Not one guy playing 10 minutes.

I meant after he came on. But whatever. What's done is done...

[Mário César 1,273]

On in the other hand, If Pulisic stays fit (!!), which is a big if, he can be very useful. Like him a lot with I see from him today

[Vesper 30,185]

7 minutes ago, whats happening said:

should i remind everyone here what were you writing about kante, jorginho, christiensen and many more? stop embarassing yourself. there are people here who remember your posts.

that was back in Sarri days when he totally wasted Kante (and at the time we could hav egotten over £120m or more for him then), and destroyed AC's confidence

plus Jorginho was overrun most every week in the Sarri system, he too time to adapt to the EPL and only really came good after Sarri left

our CB's function better in a back 3, something Sarri refused to do

I can only work, in terms of opinions on players, with what we have as a manager and how they use them

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Aguero was also world class on the ball. City's gulf of goals with Aguero was due to his ability on the ball and not relying on him making runs off of defenders with the odd chance he will score a goal. 

Yeah I know 

PL all star striker for me

But the  point was that there are strikers who are short who made it in PL, proving cosmic wrong 

[whats happening 1,615]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

fuck off troll

as expected, nice argument missy 😘

[Vesper 30,185]

53 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Are we really blaming the linesman and United's shitehouse tactics?

Attention needs to be focused on our player's mentality against arguably the worst Manchester United side in recent memory. 4 bloody years now. 

Werner as a lone striker is simply not up to the task, as he is a horrid shooter

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Werner as a lone striker is simply not up to the task, as he is a horrid shooter

Still opponents respect his pace 

we can’t just sell him, we need to adequately replace him. Same thing with Puli. Recant sell our fastest attackers without getting someone who can at least offer the same. We need fast players. Now who is there on the market with more quality and at least somewhat as fast? 

[milka 3,393]

 Small team . 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 minutes ago, Jase said:

I meant after he came on. But whatever. What's done is done...

I mean were you expecting him to really change the game? In 10 minutes? After being out since Malmo and not playing any competitive game time since then?

And even then, did he even get any opportunities? How many times did he touch the ball in the box? Not much. 

The issue isn’t that he played 10 minutes and did nothing, its that he didn’t come on sooner where he could of got a better feel for the game when it was less frantic and we had a bit more control and our decision making was a bit more measured. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

I mean were you expecting him to really change the game? In 10 minutes? After being out since Malmo and not playing any competitive game time since then?

 

[Vesper 30,185]

1 minute ago, whats happening said:

as expected, nice argument missy 😘

I replied further in another post

but your continued slagging off Rudiger IN THIS SYTEM us just beyond ridiculous

Rudiger and Thiago, under tuchel are playing as well as any CB out there, I defy you to name a few who are playing better atm, especially as VVD has looked a bit shaky at times post injury

and you mostly only come on here during games and rip the players, whilst never offering up any alternative

that is classic trolling

 

these are the top 50 most valuable CB's on T-Markt atm

look how quickly it spirals down

bold are playing extremely well, and many on here have been poor this season compared to past performance (in red)

Rúben Dias  
Marquinhos 
Matthijs de Ligt (I have seen nothing truly WC spectacular from him since he joined Juve)    
Raphaël Varane   
Jules Koundé    
Dayot Upamecano   
Alessandro Bastoni  (regressed a bit, for him compared to last several seasons)  
José María Giménez    
Milan Skriniar    
Virgil van Dijk   
David Alaba    
Pau Torres   
Harry Maguire    
Stefan de Vrij  
Kalidou Koulibaly   
Diego Carlos   
Caglar Söyüncü   
Lucas Hernández   
Aymeric Laporte   
Edmond Tapsoba     
Wesley Fofana (and is injured)  
Éder Militão   
Ben White   
Fikayo Tomori    
Presnel Kimpembe    
Ibrahima Konaté   
Cristian Romero    
Mario Hermoso   
Andreas Christensen    
Niklas Süle   
Antonio Rüdiger  
Davinson Sánchez   
Nathan Aké   
Kurt Zouma    
Manuel Akanji    
Gianluca Mancini    
Joe Gomez   
Tyrone Mings    
John Stones  
Benoît Badiashile    
Maxence Lacroix    
Evan N'Dicka   
Sven Botman    
Merih Demiral    
Matthias Ginter    
Roger Ibañez    
Lisandro Martínez   
Ronald Araújo    
Gabriel    
Nikola Milenkovic  

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

36 minutes ago, milka said:

 Small team . 

And we couldnt beat them. 
 

Again. 

Edited November 28, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[Warning_Hazard 156]

Missing some of the spine of the team today, Didnt have a good feeling at all when i looked at the line up!

Alonso been out of it until chilwell got hacked out and i didnt think he was that bad today. Our midfield was ass and the word clinical has gone on holiday again.

2 points dropped, Onto the next.

Edited November 28, 2021 by Warning_Hazard