nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said: He's not Bakayoko level yet to me, Bakayoko was something else. Saul just seems a bit timid when playing, no confidence, overwhelmed. How has he dropped so much..  What I cannot see is what Saúls selling point might be. Bakayoko was bad but he had good moments and one could see what his strenghts were. Saúl just looks completely clueless. His passing is bad, his fouls are stupid and unnecesarry, doesn't shoot outside the box, no good dribbling.. Don't see what he can offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Tomo said: The most damming thing is I can't think of a single positive attribute he brings to the table and it's the first time I have felt like that with a player since Torres. Torres had many positive impacts. After all he scored 22 goals in one season and was instrumental in winning EL. Actually he had double digits in both goals and assists in 11/12 and 12/13 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 His confidence is shot, looks lost all the time. I was super worried yesterday seeing that makeshift line-up with him in it, but luckily Tuchel acted quickly and rest of the boys grinded out the result. His transfer wasn't bad, it was worth a shot with it being only a loan with option to buy. If he comes good we can buy him, if he doesn't we'll just ship him back. Smart business with minimal risk. Ruben has anyway stepped up so he can fill our 4th choice spot in MF, which is what Saul was supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Torres had many positive impacts. After all he scored 22 goals in one season and was instrumental in winning EL. Actually he had double digits in both goals and assists in 11/12 and 12/13 season. After we signed players for multi millions of pounds to try and help get the best out of him and gave him full 90s unconditionally for months on end. Sign Jermaine Beckford and mollycoddle him the same way he'd have wound up with a similar tally. And that's before we mention all the vastly superior strikers we lost while he was here (Drogba, Sturridge, Ba, Eto'o) and quite possibly missed out on thanks to him (prime Falcao, Aguero, Cavani). He held us back for years on so many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 48 minutes ago, Tomo said: He held us back for years on so many levels. One bad transfer window can have that happen. Which was the case in 2010 and 2017. The 2010 summer transfer window (Ramires, Torres, Benayoun, and Luiz) set us back tremendously, in spite a couple of those players having big moments for us. We never adequately replaced Deco, Ballack, Joe Cole, and Carvalho in the slightest, which was why we had to wait so many years to actually compete for the title. We are now seeing us finally being able to compete after the 2017 disaster window. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tomo said: As shit as Bakayoko was he did give us the early run and some performances in big games including a cup final. I dread to think what would happen if Saul plays against top calibre opposition.  2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Last night and the Villa game (league) were on par, if not worse, than anything Bakayoko dished out for us.  2 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:  What I cannot see is what Saúls selling point might be. Bakayoko was bad but he had good moments and one could see what his strenghts were. Saúl just looks completely clueless. His passing is bad, his fouls are stupid and unnecesarry, doesn't shoot outside the box, no good dribbling.. Don't see what he can offer. For me, I feel Saul has better technical ability, yes he hasnt shown it so far but its there, his confidence is just so shot. Bakayoko to me, not so much. I remember him playing 45 mins i think against Spurs in a friendly and it was brutal. Bakayoko had a full season, so I'll wait till the end of season to rate Saul too. Good thing is if Saul is a total bust, we can return him. Edited December 2, 2021 by chelsea_4_eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said: One bad transfer window can have that happen. Which was the case in 2010 and 2017. The 2010 summer transfer window (Ramires, Torres, Benayoun, and Luiz) set us back tremendously, in spite a couple of those players having big moments for us. We never adequately replaced Deco, Ballack, Joe Cole, and Carvalho in the slightest, which was why we had to wait so many years to actually compete for the title. We are now seeing us finally being able to compete after the 2017 disaster window. While ofcourse those windows in itself didn't help (understatement) I think on both occasions things ran deeper than that. 2010 may have made it worse but it was actually 2008 where we badly fucked up. That summer we should have identified young hungry players (like Luka Modric) to gradually succeed the old guard over the following 2-3 years, the fact we tried to sign Modric 3 years later says everything. And while ofcourse Torres wasn't the only problem, imagine how easier things would have been had we had a prime Falcao, Aguero or RVP? This time it was the double whammy of 2017 and needing to move on with the times style wise else we'd have become the club version of Jose. It was always going to take time to effectively change to a modern style, espeically when you're trying to chase down Pep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Would call him a fraud but I have seen him do crazy things to worldclass teams. Just seems to have good a brain transplant or whatever . Absolute liability is an understatement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Get him the fuck out of the club and fast, it's getting really embarrassing. The most wrong I've been with a transfer in a long time. Considered him at the very least a decent squad filler but with the kind of performances he keeps having I wouldn't even trust him to play the Chesterfield match in the FA Cup 3rd round. Surely the problem has to be a mental one? He's never even had any bad injuries but all of a sudden his ability to play the game of football just seems to have vanished almost overnight. Maybe he wasn't at his best even at Atletico in the last 1-2 years but surely he wasn't this bad either? Edited December 16, 2021 by Jype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Chelsea STAR WIDELY LABELLED THE ‘WORST TO EVER WEAR THE SHIRT’ AFTER DISPLAY IN EVERTON STALEMATE https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/Chelsea-star-widely-labelled-the-worst-to-ever-wear-the-shirt-after-display-in-everton-stalemate/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Would love to see MF 3 of Saul, Bakayoko and Drinkwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Would love to see MF 3 of Saul, Bakayoko and Drinkwater. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 what we thought what happened  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Magic Lamps said: Would call him a fraud but I have seen him do crazy things to worldclass teams. Just seems to have good a brain transplant or whatever . Absolute liability is an understatement Suffers the same mental illness as Bakayoko in having a very fragile self conscious and confidence in oneself. Must of had an abusive father growing up.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Feel for the guy. The abuse from some toxic fans is way too much. He deserves our support and should be cheered by crowds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Strike said: Feel for the guy. The abuse from some toxic fans is way too much. He deserves our support and should be cheered by crowds The thing I find the most hilarious is if he cost 50, 72 or 97 million he'll have a legion of lawyers and his name chanted every time he tripped over the ball. We're the only club where expectations tend to get higher the less you cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 His best performance for us by far today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: His best performance for us by far today. Yes because Wolves never bothered to press him, like the other teams did. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Bossed the midfield today, almost reminds me his pre-injury version. Edited January 6, 2022 by Blues Forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 hours ago, Blues Forever said: Bossed the midfield today, almost reminds me his pre-injury version. Is he coming off a major injury ? Doesn’t seem to have missed many games for atletico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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