Blues Forever 1,232 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Â Massie and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:  Oh look, the Champions League is a deal breaker for someone! By the way, I don't think Havertz wants to leave Leverkusen because they didn't qualify for the Champions League. I think he wants to leave because he's outgrown them and he'll only improve if he leaves for a bigger club. ulsterchelsea and mkh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 11 hours ago, killer1257 said: Yes, but is he Chelsea first team starting line material? Because I do not think so. As a squad player, he is brilliant to have. We are Chelsea. We should have players in our starting eleven that can compete with the best of the best. Mount would not make it in either United, City or Liverpool Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk  Yes he's very good squad player and yes u need such squad players in your team, they essential for the balance ...  we just can't have 11 stars in our team. Agree he is not really shining at the moment but feel he does have the skills and attitude at this age. As Jason mentioned part of this could be down to the constant changing of position or could be other reasons.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Oh look, the Champions League is a deal breaker for someone! By the way, I don't think Havertz wants to leave Leverkusen because they didn't qualify for the Champions League. I think he wants to leave because he's outgrown them and he'll only improve if he leaves for a bigger club. A bigger clubs means a club that plays CLGesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, killer1257 said: A bigger clubs means a club that plays CL Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk  I don't mean that but whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, killer1257 said: A bigger clubs means a club that plays CL No, it means a club that can offer him a massive wage rise and a better platform for future success. I don't think many players care about not being in the CL in the short term. United signed Pogba, Di Maria etc. all without CL football while we got N'Golo Kante in 2016 after a disastrous season. Could be some exceptions to this of course, but as a basic rule I'd say there just needs to be a clear direction the club is heading to attract good talent. That being said, I don't think we'd get Havertz without CL football but that's coming mostly from a financial standpoint rather than Kai himself backing out. Tomo and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 No, it means a club that can offer him a massive wage rise and a better platform for future success. I don't think many players care about not being in the CL in the short term. United signed Pogba, Di Maria etc. all without CL football while we got N'Golo Kante in 2016 after a disastrous season. Could be some exceptions to this of course, but as a basic rule I'd say there just needs to be a clear direction the club is heading to attract good talent. That being said, I don't think we'd get Havertz without CL football but that's coming mostly from a financial standpoint rather than Kai himself backing out. Hazard only came to us because of CL football. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jype said: That being said, I don't think we'd get Havertz without CL football but that's coming mostly from a financial standpoint rather than Kai himself backing out. If what Matt Law said the other day is true, then qualifying for the Champions League will ensure additional 50 million in the transfer budget. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Hazard only came to us because of CL football. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk It all comes down to the players really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, killer1257 said: Hazard only came to us because of CL football. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk  Like I said there are exceptions but many top players have moved to clubs without CL football on offer. And while Hazard had many options to choose from, it looks like for Havertz there may not be many other suitors for a 2020 move. Of course he can wait a year and then have his pick of clubs but does he want to stay at Leverkusen another season? But either way, guaranteeing CL footy is crucial whether it's the money or pulling power we're talking about. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Werner came before the CL was secured and passed up the chance of playing in this years final rounds Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Werner came before the CL was secured and passed up the chance of playing in this years final rounds Yeah but there is a difference between the skill level of Werner and Havertz. Just compare the technique of them both.  Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Yeah but there is a difference between the skill level of Werner and Havertz. Just compare the technique of them both.  Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Different type of players but okay... Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Long as he stays out of the PL I won't be sad. I just hope that the money set aside for him goes to the best defenders we can possibly obtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Bye havertz thread  Moving to Benrahma thread for future discussions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Ok havertz wants ChL football to come here . Werner didn’t want CHL football? Because we signed him without  a guaranteed Chl spot . havertz is very young so why not to come here without Chl football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I think we will get Chl football next year .  for these reasons : 1. We want 7 points in 3 matches ( Norwich win , Liverpool draw , wolves win ) 2. Leicester have difficult program . They wil play against Bournemouth ( want deadly 3 points) , Sheffield,Spurs ,Manchester United . So probably we will finish 4th so we have chances to get havertz Alabama and Puliiszola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 All too good to be true Alabama, Dimitr and Johnnyeye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Sounding good, and I don't believe the CL thing is of any importance at all. Werner and Ziyech are already here so that notion doesn't really stack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Guess not having Champions League for one season doesnt mean won't have it for the next..or the other way round. Or get past the groups.. Probably not thought of like that mind..then again Europa League is super fun..sure he'll love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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